RE: 500hp SEAT Leon Cupra!

RE: 500hp SEAT Leon Cupra!

Friday 11th January

500hp SEAT Leon Cupra!

Oh sure, it costs as much as an RS4. But then it does have even more power...



Despite not being not all that popular, there's a lot to like about the SEAT Leon Cupra ST. It's fast, it's stylish, it's decent to drive and it's good value. We liked it on track, we liked it against an Audi RS2, and the SEAT has even proved itself as a Nurburgring tool.

So it's good - we get that. But what if you need more from a Leon Cupra wagon? Step forward Siemoneit Racing in Germany, which has created a Leon with 520hp. Five twenty! Details on its press release are pretty vague, speaking only of "optimisation of performance by specialist in tuning hardware and software", but Top Gear seems to have more info. It mentions bigger turbos (the car now presumably running two, and surely contributing a lot to the 200hp power gain), new intercoolers, intake work and something called a 'RipJaw' exhaust. All the mods you would undertake to get big power from a turbo engine, basically, getting more cool air in and hot air out as efficiently as possible. The end result is SEAT estate capable of 189mph, passing 62mph in 3.4 seconds and presumably the rest of the speed not long after - wow. There's no mention of a warranty for 260hp per litre at this moment in time...


Additional tweaks to help contain a Golf GTI's worth of extra power include an upgraded clutch for the DSG gearbox, ceramic brakes from an Audi RS3 and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. Work has been done to the suspension as well, though it's unclear with the standard DCC dampers have simply been recalibrated and paired with some more aggressive springs, or if the entire arrangement is now new. Whatever the case, sat lower on forged 'Vader' wheels the Siemoneit car looks more menacing than any Leon has thus far.

The information that is available for now suggests the Siemoneit car will cost more than Β£50,000, including the purchase price of the car. A lot for a SEAT, sure, though broadly competitive for that sort of performance in a small estate. There's a lot to be said for having something a little bit different, too. For those that are interested, there are Leon Cupra STs for sale from Β£15k...




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Dale487

Original Poster:

1,035 posts

69 months

Friday 11th January
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I like it but not at £50K - an RS4 would be a better bet for reliability & resale plus the interior would be worthy of £50k car (I sat in an Cupra Ateca whilst my Leon was in for a service - I didn't feel it was any more special than my FR and not good enough for a car you can spec to over £40K).

But based it on an used one, it could be a £30K 520bhp car.

Roma101

484 posts

93 months

Friday 11th January
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But a decently spec'd RS4 will be £20k more expensive.

80sMatchbox

3,693 posts

122 months

Friday 11th January
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£50k...you have to be a big SEAT fan to pay that for it.

I'm oot. I'd rather have a 2 car garage with 1 of them being a weekend you, for that sort of money.

Augustus Windsock

1,786 posts

101 months

Friday 11th January
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Pick my new FR ST up on the 21st, sadly it’s the 190bhp DSG version and not a Cupra
Whilst I too find this interesting I can’t see them selling many, despite the appeal of its apparent power and performance
Firstly, I’d want to see some sort of cast-iron warranty from them (although I’m not sure how SEAT would react to any warranty claim on a modified car, irrespective of what the claim was for)
Secondly, for the price I too would be looking at a used RS4 or similar, comfortable in the knowledge that it has been fully developed by the manufacturer, and hopefully proven and reliable (plus it will have he balance of the manufacturers warranty..)

Riskins

142 posts

71 months

Friday 11th January
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Many options for these MQB platform cars to reach 500+ bhp -Stage 3 software and Intake/Exhaust/Intercooler/hybrid turbo/some minor fuelling mods and you're good to go.

Quite a few Golf R's and S3's running these power levels successfully.

Tom_The_Light_House

32 posts

53 months

Friday 11th January
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I am really confused.
I thought all of Seats sporty Cupras were going to be badged as "Cupra"
Hence the SUV Cupra thingy I have already forgotten about.

This still seems to be a Seat Leon Cupra ?!?!?!
Surely it should just be a Cupra Leon

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,035 posts

69 months

Friday 11th January
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Tom_The_Light_House said:
I am really confused.
I thought all of Seats sporty Cupras were going to be badged as "Cupra"
Hence the SUV Cupra thingy I have already forgotten about.

This still seems to be a Seat Leon Cupra ?!?!?!
Surely it should just be a Cupra Leon
The next SEAT Leon Cupra won't be a SEAT, it'll be a Cupra - SEAT & Cupra are leaving things as they are until a model is replaced. (I can't understand how anyone thought this was a good idea - its not even like the Cupra dealers are any different or special and there was no differentiation at my local dealer)

1Rb

219 posts

101 months

Friday 11th January
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These are touching £20k on used market... very appealing.

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,035 posts

69 months

Friday 11th January
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1Rb said:
These are touching £20k on used market... very appealing.
They are, my local SEAT dealer has a nice 66 plate manual (they had a DSG too) in primer grey - shame the only ST manual within 200 miles when I bought my ST FR was an ex-SEAT press car; grey with orange wheels, mirrors, grill etc (vile isn't the word).

Onehp

1,111 posts

229 months

Friday 11th January
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HGP Turbo will upgrade your EA888 gen 3 IS38 to 480hp for 10k€. Well tested and with TüV. Would recommend that latest 4drive version for such a power hike... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g6VJTEjbH8

I'm very happy with my FWD manual with 380-ish hp (original turbo, optimised for response rather than outright power). Much helped by a 1400kg-ish kerb weight. This is key, because while it may sit in the market as a 'small' estate, unless you need to sit tall people it the back ( I don't), it is suitably large with a 590l boot. Which is on paper larger than many a 'big' sporting estate putting 500kg extra or more on the scales...


Edited by Onehp on Friday 11th January 13:39

Denorth

559 posts

117 months

Friday 11th January
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2L engine pumping out 520bhp... why would I think about one word... 'overstressed'?

Is the engine as over-engineerd as those Japanese ones from 80s-90s? Somehow I have my doubts... Suddenly RS4 with V6 sounds like a safer and better bet

Hitchslap

6 posts

10 months

Friday 11th January
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Me, like i'm sure most other fell out of their SEAT when seeing the price tag. Ridiculous.

Onehp

1,111 posts

229 months

Friday 11th January
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Denorth said:
2L engine pumping out 520bhp... why would I think about one word... 'overstressed'?

Is the engine as over-engineerd as those Japanese ones from 80s-90s? Somehow I have my doubts... Suddenly RS4 with V6 sounds like a safer and better bet
Not imagining 520hp is in any way OEM safe, but these engines are indeed almost old school over engineered one could say. Grey iron closed deck engine block, forged crankshaft, special pistons, oversized piston pins, Na filled exhaust valves, cooled exhaust collector, double injection (idi and di) makes for pretty good hardware to start tuning. It helps that there is a relatively large community (Golf GTI CS, Golf R, Cupra, S3) that is, since quite a few years now, a testbed for this engine...

Jarcy

1,260 posts

221 months

Friday 11th January
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Butt-ugly jelly mold.
It actually annoys me that so much effort goes into achieving incredible performance from a platform that is so dull.
It's no sleeper, just a waste of R&D to produce a technically proficient boy-racer that's financially out of reach of most boy-racers.
If you're going to do it, base it on something that looks good, or start from scratch.

Onehp

1,111 posts

229 months

Friday 11th January
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Ugly? Imho there aren't many estates that look a lot better.
The platform may be boring, but it's affordable and relatively very light for the space it offers.
To some that matters, to most it does not and that's fine.

wormus

10,766 posts

149 months

Friday 11th January
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Pointless when you can buy a proper 500+ hp car for way less. E.g: Jag XFR. Squeezing massive HP out of a 2.0 st engine makes no sense.

ZX10R NIN

15,317 posts

71 months

Friday 11th January
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To much but I really like the alloys.


Olivera

3,521 posts

185 months

Friday 11th January
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"It mentions bigger turbos (the car now presumably running two..."

Say what?

Onehp

1,111 posts

229 months

Saturday 12th January
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Olivera said:
"It mentions bigger turbos (the car now presumably running two..."

Say what?
Probably not...

Onehp

1,111 posts

229 months

Saturday 12th January
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wormus said:
Pointless when you can buy a proper 500+ hp car for way less. E.g: Jag XFR. Squeezing massive HP out of a 2.0 st engine makes no sense.
Well it is a real 500kg lighter than a XFR estate. If it were a drivers car we were comparing, that would be considered a massive difference. For acceleration, the XFR needs 670hp to match this this power to weight (incl driver), and then the Cupra would have the distinct advantage of 4wd... When is the last time the much lighter car had the traction advantage?

In the end very different offerings obviously (XFR boot slightly smaller..) , just pointing out that an XFR estate has basically nothing in common besides perhaps the power figure...

My tuned FWD manual Cupra ST matches the XFR for power to weight but I consider it a much better drivers car for me (with a few mods it's a very capable track car), much more affordable running cost with my mileage also... Of course I see the appeal of a big V8 but it doesn't help me in my driving.


Edited by Onehp on Saturday 12th January 16:08