RE: Four-cylinder Supra already confirmed

RE: Four-cylinder Supra already confirmed

Monday 14th January 2019

Four-cylinder Supra already confirmed

The 258hp and 197hp cars are JDM-only for now. But don't expect them to stay that way...



Well this is a turn up. The wraps have only just come off the latest Toyota Supra, after many years of waiting, and already we have two new models. As had been predicted (if not expected this early), there are four-cylinder Toyota Supras available. Only in Japan for now, granted, but they most certainly exist and are surely going to make it to other markets in time.

Like the six-cylinder car, the 2.0-litre Supra uses a BMW engine, in this case the 1,998cc four-cylinder turbo that's also found in the latest Z4. There's a 258hp version, as also nestles in various 30i BMWs, with peak power developed at 5,000-6,500rpm, and maximum torque of 295lb ft at 1,550-4,400rpm. According to Toyota's stats, it's capable of 0-62mph in 5.2 seconds (using the same eight-speed auto that all Supras will come with) and weighs 70kg less than the six-cylinder car - that makes it 1,450kg by Toyota's 'internal measured value', or 1,425 by the more conventional DIN (i.e. with fluids but without driver) rating.


Arguably of more interest is the lower powered 2.0-litre version, or the SZ as its dubbed in Japan (where the 258hp car is the SZ-R and the 3.0-litre the RZ - clearly old habits die hard over there). The car is significant because of how closely it ranks alongside the GT86. Just 3hp separates them, this Supra at 197hp and everyone's favourite coupe at 200, not to mention 140mm in length. While the Supra is heavier at 1,410kg (by Toyota's measurements, or 1,385kg DIN, against 1,247kg for a GT86) it's swifter thanks to its additional torque and automatic 'box - 236lb ft means 62mph in 6.5 seconds, against 7.6. Put simply it's hard to see both a lower powered Supra and a GT86 existing in the same line up.

For what it's worth Toyota believes that the four-cylinder engine offers up "exhilarating driving from the city highway to the expressway", and we know from experience of cars like the Jaguar F-Type what a switch from six cylinders to four can do for the dynamics of front-engined, rear-drive cars.

Obviously there's no official word yet on whether or not the four-pot cars will make it to the UK (though surely it's more a matter of 'when' than 'if') but it seems unlikely that the GT86 will survive with another, newer, faster and more famous sports car atop the Toyota lineup unless the Supra remains exclusively six-pot powered. We'll have to wait and see. Either way, the bang of the new model landing just got that little bit louder.









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fernando the frog

Original Poster:

298 posts

68 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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oh dear, I did like this before but after seeing this pic



i think i've changed my mind

smig12345

30 posts

64 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Probably a good idea for those who want the looks but cheaper to buy, tax, insure, fuel, etc. Turbo 4 pot petrol engines these days produce plenty of power but are economical when driven gently. I think these will indeed get sold elsewhere around the world.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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A coupe should be good looking, imo this is anything but. One ugly mother......

the_hood

771 posts

194 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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fernando the frog said:
oh dear, I did like this before but after seeing this pic



i think i've changed my mind
There's alot going on. A bit to much for me.

thegreenhell

15,328 posts

219 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Oh look, it's yet another 'news' story about the new Supra. How many of these things do we need?

oilit

2,625 posts

178 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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that double bubble roof and top of door glass to roof line is similar to the vanquish Zagato style Astons.

Wonderman

2,264 posts

195 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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fernando the frog said:
oh dear, I did like this before but after seeing this pic



i think i've changed my mind
Did someone leave it near Father Ted with his hammer? It's so ugly from the pics that I almost like it, will await to see in the flesh and the price before I consider waiting a few years for a s/hand one.

dunnoreally

963 posts

108 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Of course, back in the day a four-cylinder Supra was called a "Celica"

dgmx5

151 posts

249 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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From the side, I can see a silhouette of a Marcos, the front looks to be taken from a 90s Veilside creation, boot is Z4 coupe, roof is RCZ and rear end is reminiscent of one of those ugly Honda rears that seem to be part of their current design language.

It seems far too fussy and the interior seems very Germanic... which is fine in the new Z car, but perhaps a little sombre here.

On the plus side, a range of engines and a genuine alternative to its BMW cousin.

redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Looks like 2 different cars glued together like other previously thought it looked ok but not now .

aarondbs

845 posts

146 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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There’s a lot going on in the side profile I don’t like. The previous Supra design I like even today but this one is very heavy under the door and over the rear wheel. Its like a piece stuck on that needs removing of smoothing over. A little too Veilside for me!

J4CKO

41,547 posts

200 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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dgmx5 said:
I can see a silhouette of a Marcos,
Scaramouche, Scaramouche...

I quite like it, 4 cyls are fine if you want one, need to see one in the flesh.

I am more interested in if the do a bonkers version.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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J4CKO said:
dgmx5 said:
I can see a silhouette of a Marcos,
Scaramouche, Scaramouche...

I quite like it, 4 cyls are fine if you want one, need to see one in the flesh.

I am more interested in if the do a bonkers version.
hehe

thegreenhell

15,328 posts

219 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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J4CKO said:
dgmx5 said:
I can see a silhouette of a Marcos,
Scaramouche, Scaramouche...

I quite like it, 4 cyls are fine if you want one, need to see one in the flesh.

I am more interested in if the do a bonkers version.
Fandango version, surely?

Chestrockwell

2,627 posts

157 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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fernando the frog said:
oh dear, I did like this before but after seeing this pic



i think i've changed my mind
Very unflattering from that angle and reminds me of a Pointiac Talon and a Hyundai Coupe, then cheesy 90’s coupes that have been designed to look contemporary instead being designed to look timeless.

That’s the thing the Japanese don’t understand, 10% of there cars are lookers and age well, the rest all look crap and are forgotten.






Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Eagle Talon?

And Hyundai is from Korea

Chestrockwell

2,627 posts

157 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Jimmy Recard said:
Eagle Talon?

And Hyundai is from Korea
The Japanese line wasn’t aimed at the photos posted, just in general, most of the 90’s Japanese icons look better when modified anyway unlike an E36 BMW or a W124 E Class.


0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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That’s an unpleasant looking thing - like it comes with a cheap fibreglass body kit.

namealreadytaken

43 posts

92 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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More slashes than Edwards scissors hands face, far to busy.

Imagine waxing it and having to get the dried white wax residue out from those lines. No thanks!

samoht

5,712 posts

146 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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fernando the frog said:
oh dear, I did like this before but after seeing this pic



i think i've changed my mind
Yeah, I see what you mean. Compare the metal above and ahead of the front wheels with this (IMHO the ideal example of what a 2 seat FR sports car should look like)

and the previous Supra (stock albeit lowered)