RE: MG ZS 180: Spotted

Saturday 19th January 2019

MG ZS 180: Spotted

The MG Car Club wants us to save our Zeds. Here's your chance!



Without wishing to spoil your weekend, some sad news recently reached the PH news desk: the MG Z cars are in severe, quite possibly terminal, decline. Where in 2006 there were 51,116 ZRs registered in the UK, now there are fewer than 8,000 - 84 per cent of those made have now gone. For the ZS the number has gone from 20,055 to 5,478 (down 72 per cent) and the ZT/ZT-T pairing has plummeted from 19,020 to 6,176 (minus 67 per cent). Since 2006, 70,000 of the MG Zed cars registered in the UK have disappeared - 78 per cent of the total, which is huge.

This is genuine concern, too, not sarcasm. The cars weren't perfect, but they showed MG doing a decent job with what they had. The ZR was Britain's best selling hot hatch for a while, offering plentiful performance for not much cash - it was a bit rough and ready, sure, but no doubt it put smiles on faces. The ZT was good looking, dynamically sorted and pretty quick with the V6, with the added benefit of an estate body if you so fancied.


The ZS occupied an odd middle ground in having perhaps the most dubious image with the most favourable press reaction. The V6 car was lauded in contemporary reviews for its fine balance, lusty engine and slick transmission. The Rover-Honda alliance did produce some decent handling cars, and arguably the ZS was the finest of the lot; add in some BTCC cachet, both with the official works outfit and Team Atomic Kitten (yes, really), and it's easy to see how the car won some fans.

This ZS, the only one currently for sale on PH, sadly isn't a saloon for full BTCC kudos; that said it does have the V6, comes with a fairly miserly (for a car approaching 17 years old) 63,000 miles and looks presentable enough, save for a rear bumper scuff and some faded badges. Encouragingly there's mention in the ad of a full MG specialist service history, though not of a recent cambelt change, which is both costly and critical for a healthy V6.

When the ZS was Shed money, the cost of the belt change must have put many off - it being most of the cost of the car - and will have contributed to the catastrophic fall in numbers. With cars like this one for sale at £4k and the impetus surely there to save what is becoming a rare vehicle, hopefully the cambelt change has been done or will be high on the list of priorities.


Those who remember the MG ZS when £750 bought a good one and £3k secured a car with just 16,000 miles will naturally be disappointed at the asking price of this example, though try and find any car of note that hasn't appreciated over the past half a dozen years or so. Indeed trying to find anything similar to the ZS, i.e. a hot hatch with more than four cylinders, is quite tricky. At present there are isn't one BMW 325ti or Volvo C30 T5 on PH, with only this Golf R32 somewhere near the budget having racked up 130,000 miles.

So while the ZS is never, ever going to be to all tastes, those who are intrigued to some degree or other best get a move on; the current rate of decline shows no sign of abating, and the favourable reputation isn't for nothing. Never know; you might actually enjoy it...


SPECIFICATION - MG ZS 180
Engine: 2,497cc, V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 180@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 177@4,000rpm
MPG: 33.2
CO2: 227g/km
Year registered: 2002
Recorded mileage: 63,000
Price new: Probably not much
Yours for: £3,995

See the original advert here

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JerryF

Original Poster:

282 posts

174 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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The ZS180 handles extremely well. By choice I prefer the Mk2 version with the Zonda climate control panel. However, this one appears to be unspoilt and in good condition.

Go for it someone, you won't be disappointed and by the sounds of it you will have something that will be very rare soon.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Looks nice. Not desperately fast but the V6 ZS is definitely one of the more fun hot hatches I've driven. Shame it's such a dull colour.

Having said that, whilst I might buy one to thrash around for shed money, I certainly wouldn't pay £4k for one!


Edited by kambites on Saturday 19th January 11:50

s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Another great handling V6 sports saloon/hatch after the Alfa and Mondeo features






Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Loathsome rebadged Rover 45 with interior so out of date you could cut yourself on the plastics - while the engine sounded great but was gutless so a diesel Golf could murder you unless you revved the crankshaft out of it. Also because of the ancient electrical architecture had none of the electronic features the average motorist was starting to want.

Of course the British press all said it was great - it had an MG badge and for some reason that made it BRILLIANT!!

One good thing about them though - every car thief in the UK knew how to disable the security devices so you didn't have to put up with owning one for long!

Wheels alive

1 posts

63 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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As a freelance motoring writer I was fortunate to be invited to the original press launch of the 'Z' models in south Wales in the summer of 2001 (I also attended the launch of the Civic Type R in the Isle of Man, a few weeks later; enjoyed that model too...).

At the launch there were automotive writers from across the spectrum of magazines and newspapers, and from around the globe. Unusually there was almost complete and universal approval from all those I spoke to, regarding the driving dynamics of the new MGs, and in particular the ZS180.

On the launch I enjoyed driving the ZR, ZS and ZT over many miles, on main roads and twisting hill routes, and also including some fast laps around the Pembrey circuit. Of the three models I drove, my favourite was the ZS180 with its eager V6; its handling was a revelation too; just stuck to its chosen line and went where it was pointed; great fun.

The competence of all three versions was praised by most writers attending the launch, and I felt that the ZS180 was a practical and highly enjoyable machine. I would still love to own one!

monzaxjr

549 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Having worked on these and having been involved with them when they were new the only redeeming feature they have is decent handling. The rest is woeful. Terrible build quality, awful interior and a chocolate engine. The quality control on these when they were being knocked out was horrendous. £3995? You would have to have some kind of mad emotional attachment to them or just be mad to pay anywhere near that.

andyduffield66

3 posts

63 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Numeric said:
Loathsome rebadged Rover 45 with interior so out of date you could cut yourself on the plastics - while the engine sounded great but was gutless so a diesel Golf could murder you unless you revved the crankshaft out of it. Also because of the ancient electrical architecture had none of the electronic features the average motorist was starting to want.

Of course the British press all said it was great - it had an MG badge and for some reason that made it BRILLIANT!!

One good thing about them though - every car thief in the UK knew how to disable the security devices so you didn't have to put up with owning one for long!
I have owned my ZS for a number of months now and sure it's dated and not the fastest but it's got a fantastic gearbox and it's certainly the best handling FWD car I've driven. It has electric windows and mirrors and remote central locking; what more do you need?! And the lack of bottom end power just gives you an excuse to rev the nuts off of the V6 which never gets boring.

dunnoreally

961 posts

108 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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I used to really lust after these back when I had my Rover 45. Can't say I'm as desperate for one now, but it'd certainly be a shame if they went extinct.

rare6499

656 posts

139 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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These were great cars regardless of what any one says. The fact that we no longer have MG, a British brand with a long history that made affordable, fun drivers cars is a real shame. I don’t recognise the modern day version...

I always wanted a 180, the MK1 was the prettier car.


RichardDastardly

157 posts

63 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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I had a ZS120 some years ago. I bought it purely because it was so cheap, but was absolutely staggered by how well it handled. These were excellent, though unfashionable, cars for the money.

J4CKO

41,515 posts

200 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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We are in the days of the MG/Rover stuff dying off now, and I know a lot will say good riddance and they probably worship at the altar of all things German but I think nice examples of the MG Z cars will start to get quite collectible, as the tired examples die off the good ones will be held onto, cant imagine they will ever be worth huge money but I suspect there will be interest.

Even if the bulk of folk are obsessed with stuff from Germany or Japan, there is always a contingent that loves stuff like this, I quite like it, not enough to own one but I can see the appeal and dont feel the need to run them down, my dad still has a 2002 MG ZT, its like new and its a lovely car and as time marches on its nice to see stuff like that, some of the MGR cars were much, much better than the reputation.


ToothbrushMan

1,770 posts

125 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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i seem to remember old airfields cram packed with new rovers of this era all unsold - what on earth happened to all of them or are they still rotting away?

legless

1,689 posts

140 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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I've never driven a ZS, but I can imagine that they're a good steer.

In the late 90s, I regularly drove my mum's lowly 414i, and I still maintain that the underlying chassis was still one of the best of its time.

It was set up for a comfortable ride, so enthusiastic driving produced comical levels of lean. This was sadly mistaken for poor handling by a lot of people (including many motoring journos) who don't understand what handling is. Despite the lean, it had relatively neutral balance for a FWD chassis and a well-stuck front end.

EDLT

15,421 posts

206 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Rip off. There is another on Autotrader that is a facelift model (two years newer) with the same mileage and it's under £2k, plus a 150k mile car for £999.

TVR_Steve

2,721 posts

165 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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That particular one is up for a high price.

Fantastic cars, I'm after another one at the moment for a winter/track hack.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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J4CKO said:
We are in the days of the MG/Rover stuff dying off now, and I know a lot will say good riddance and they probably worship at the altar of all things German but I think nice examples of the MG Z cars will start to get quite collectible, as the tired examples die off the good ones will be held onto, cant imagine they will ever be worth huge money but I suspect there will be interest.

Even if the bulk of folk are obsessed with stuff from Germany or Japan, there is always a contingent that loves stuff like this, I quite like it, not enough to own one but I can see the appeal and dont feel the need to run them down, my dad still has a 2002 MG ZT, its like new and its a lovely car and as time marches on its nice to see stuff like that, some of the MGR cars were much, much better than the reputation.
I agree except for one point. I don't think only the good ones will survive, I think pretty much none will. Look at the R8 Rover 200 for example, they pretty much don't exist.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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I wanted a mk2 saloon. Went to a dealership in High Wycombe to look for a used one, and although they didn’t have a ZS180 for me to sit in I tried a ZS120 (I think).

The interior would have been the same anyway.

It put me off the car straight away, the stalks and switches all seemed flimsy and were very dated, even by 2007 standards they had an early 1980s cheapness to them. If MG Rover had refreshed the interior in the facelift I would have bought one.

It really showed how mismanaged MG Rover were, messing around with the SVR and shoehorning the Mustang V8 into the ZT, whilst at the same time flogging outdated products. They should have distanced themselves from Rover which had a jaded image, and concentrated on the MG brand and developing the ZR/ZS line of cars.


aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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They did, although not a great improvement.

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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A mate of mine has just weighed one in. Late facelift car on a 54 plate with 90k and one owner. It had been a daily until the radiator went about 5 years ago. It took so long to source a replacement (V6 rads aren't available new, and are like rocking horse poo used) that she bought another car. And then never for around to getting it sorted.

I could have had it for free, but I hit the value of what it would be worth all done just with four new (decent) tyres, new brakes and the cam belt that was now overdue. That was without fitting the rad, and other recommissioning work that would undoubtedly be needed. Serviceable examples come up frequently for £750-£1k.

It's a shame as it was perfectly save-able, but it just wasn't economically justifiable to do so. Scrap man paid £120 to take it away.

Such a nice car to drive, and one of those cars where the end result seems to be significantly greater than the sum of its parts.

Edited by Limpet on Saturday 19th January 15:08

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Numeric said:
Loathsome rebadged Rover 45 with interior so out of date you could cut yourself on the plastics - while the engine sounded great but was gutless so a diesel Golf could murder you unless you revved the crankshaft out of it. Also because of the ancient electrical architecture had none of the electronic features the average motorist was starting to want.

Of course the British press all said it was great - it had an MG badge and for some reason that made it BRILLIANT!!

One good thing about them though - every car thief in the UK knew how to disable the security devices so you didn't have to put up with owning one for long!
Tiff Needell said it was one of the best FWD chassis he'd experienced. But what would he know?