RE: Alfa Romeo Giulia TI: Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo Giulia TI: Spotted

Saturday 2nd February

Alfa Romeo Giulia TI: Spotted

This achingly beautiful competition-spec TI is ready to rally or race



Anyone else get a hankering for a rally car at the first sign of snow? There are plenty to tempt you on the PH classifieds, after all, including several vintage examples from the days before four-wheel drive was the norm. If that's your preference, the pair of gorgeous Alfa Romeo Giulias currently advertised might have already caught your attention. Both are enough to make a rally fans weak at the knees.

Just look at this Giulia TI. What a stunner. It's not just a garage queen, either, but rather a working rally car built to Appendix K regulations and bearing an FIA Historic Technical Passport. There's apparently nothing stopping it from being entered into a historic rally or race tomorrow, should its next owner want to risk such a beauty in competition. It'd certainly be in keeping with the model's spirit.


From the offset, the TI was produced as a competition car - TI stood for Turismo Internazionale, an Italian class of saloon racing - although to the untrained eye the model was indistinguishable from the 1300 Giulietta. The TI's party piece was held beneath its bonnet, as it was the first was car to receive Alfa's then-new 1.6 twin cam engine. Fed by a single twin-choke carburettor, the high-revving motor produced 91hp - plenty for a car that weighed just 960kg - and made the little rear-driven Italian lively to say the least.

For a four-door saloon, the TI was tiny - it's 52cm shorter than a modern Giulia - yet early cars with their benches were actually described as six seaters. It wasn't until the gear lever was moved from the steering column to the floor in a 1964 update that the TI received two separate front seats. At this time, the first right hand drive cars were produced, which is why original right-hookers never came with the column gear lever.

By the mid '60s, Giulia TIs were competing across the world in a variety of classes. Alfa was so buoyed by the success that it produced an even more focused variant called the Giulia TI Super, of which just 501 were made as homologation specials. The model raced with much success and was regularly seen four wheel drifting and banging door handles with the likes of Lotus Cortinas.


Our car has no such racing history attached to its chassis number, which is probably a good thing, as far as value for money is concerned. Instead, it spent the early parts of its life as a road car, until it was sold to a Finnish buyer in the 1990s and restomodded into rally specification. From then it is said to have competed in a handful of events, but was clearly lovingly cared for throughout its sporting life. Sure, it's not without some scuffs and visual signs of wear, but that only adds to this particular car's honesty.

For that reason we'd not bother putting any of the patina right and instead save the money for long drives, historic rally entries and/or generally looking uber cool in a competition-spec Alfa. This car's for driving - and at £11,500, we hope the next owner will be inclined to think the same thing.


SPECIFICATION - ALFA ROMEO GIULIA TI
Engine:
1,570cc, 4-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 96@6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): N/A
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 1964
Recorded mileage: 29,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £11,500

See the original advert here.


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JMF894

Original Poster:

2,738 posts

93 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Achingly beautiful? Err.............................

Kizmiaz

133 posts

26 months

Saturday 2nd February
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I don't get the beautiful thing. Looks like an old Lada. I'll get me coat....

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Love 105 Series Alfas. Cracking machines - particularly with a TS.

Hugh Jarse

3,119 posts

143 months

Saturday 2nd February
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JMF894 said:
Achingly beautiful? Err.............................
Indeed. Boxy old charmer maybe.

Jakarta

407 posts

80 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Not so sure about it being a pretty Alfa, this GTAm on the other hand...



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soad

29,444 posts

114 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Kizmiaz said:
I don't get the beautiful thing. Looks like an old Lada. I'll get me coat....
Moskvich, I'd say.

coppice

4,957 posts

82 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Achingly beautiful is just silly hyperbole but the Giulia was still an arrestingly attractive car in period, making nearly all UK equivalents look like the Jurassic era relics they were . Compare the spec of faux sporting horrors like the VX4/90 or the MG Magnette with the Alfa - twin cam, , 5 speed , discs all round and slipperier than an E-Type .

I get the Lada references - that's because , younger readers , the 3 box design like the Giulia was best epitomised in the Alfa's kissing cousins , the Fiat 124 and 125 . Both were , in period , some of the best family saloons you could buy . Unfortunately , Fiat flogged the designs to Poland and Russia , who produced crappy copies long after the originals had been superseded . and it is those copies which so taint their legacy.

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 2nd February
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This is a good watch and IMO a very lovely car:

https://youtu.be/A9LdyVWY6yw


s m

17,141 posts

141 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Hugh Jarse said:
JMF894 said:
Achingly beautiful? Err.............................
Indeed. Boxy old charmer maybe.
Mmm....
Yes, it looks like a 3 box saloon of the period to me, not particularly beautiful to my eyes - the Alfa GT Juniors however were quite nice looking cars and like much stuff that is pricey now they were cheap old bargain buys in the 80s.
Can remember a friend buying a 1300 Junior when he couldn’t find a decent Mexico. A guy who lived up the road in Tibberton was a big cog in the Uk scene for the 105 series cars in the 80s and used to organise a meet for these cars and other interesting stuff on the local Sutherland Arms pub car park - he told my friend they were rapid little things
It was a rorty sounding thing with the twin Webers but just seemed a bit slow for 100bhp or so compared to the Escorts with the same power. Decent though for a 1300 - Alda had already done the tuning for you whereas you had to do it yourself on the Escorts .Plus a bit cramped in the back and being young at the time we did a lot of car sharing to make the most of our petrol
He didn’t keep it long as performance can be all when you’re in your teens but got his money back - we’d probably all appreciate it more nowadays!

kambites

55,822 posts

159 months

Saturday 2nd February
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coppice said:
Achingly beautiful is just silly hyperbole but the Giulia was still an arrestingly attractive car in period, making nearly all UK equivalents look like the Jurassic era relics they were . Compare the spec of faux sporting horrors like the VX4/90 or the MG Magnette with the Alfa - twin cam, , 5 speed , discs all round and slipperier than an E-Type .
I dare say it was a decent car to drive, perhaps even a good one, but to my eye it's not as attractive as say a mk1 Cortina or indeed a mk4 MG Magnette.

Certainly looks cheap compared to something like a Lotus Cortina these days though. smile

Edited by kambites on Saturday 2nd February 12:23

llcoolmac

40 posts

38 months

Saturday 2nd February
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kambites said:
coppice said:
Achingly beautiful is just silly hyperbole but the Giulia was still an arrestingly attractive car in period, making nearly all UK equivalents look like the Jurassic era relics they were . Compare the spec of faux sporting horrors like the VX4/90 or the MG Magnette with the Alfa - twin cam, , 5 speed , discs all round and slipperier than an E-Type .
I dare say it was a decent car to drive, perhaps even a good one, but to my eye it's not as attractive as say a mk1 Cortina or indeed a mk4 MG Magnette.
Jesus, the cortina I can understand but a Magnette.

No accounting for taste I guess.

kambites

55,822 posts

159 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Indeed, each to their own. I don't think the MG is a particularly good looking car but it's inoffensive. The Alfa is awful, especially the boot lid which looks like it's been produced out of fibreglass by someone who can't manage to get a radius less than about an inch on their mold.

The GTA someone posted above is a beautiful car, but this Giulia really isn't.

I've never got the "Alfas are beautiful" thing. They've certainly made some good looking cars over the years including to my eyes some of the most beautiful cars ever created but they're made some pretty awful ones too. Some people seem to think anything with an Alfa badge must be good looking just because it has an Alfa badge.

Edited by kambites on Saturday 2nd February 12:34

AMGSee55

87 posts

40 months

Saturday 2nd February
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I’d take the 120+ hp claim in the advert with a pinch of salt as it’s still sporting a single twin choke carb. No matter, it looks like great fun and as an owner of its cousin, the Berlina, I do think boxy is beautiful 😁. I notice the price is a guide as it’s on an auction site and projected to make £12-16K. That is still extremely cheap for an early 1600 Giulia so caveat emptor applies - inspect the referenced welding repairs and other ‘odd bubbles’ very carefully!!

LasseV

1,107 posts

71 months

Saturday 2nd February
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What? A proper article in PH nowdays? Anyway, beautiful car.

Jimbop84

1 posts

73 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Hideous looking thing!


MajorMantra

780 posts

50 months

Saturday 2nd February
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It's not the prettiest Alfa ever, but I do rather like it. It's also not so expensive that one couldn't imagine using it properly.

kambites

55,822 posts

159 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Does look decent value when you look at what you pay for a mk1 Lotus Cortina these days!

pSyCoSiS

2,375 posts

143 months

Saturday 2nd February
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What a cool car.

These sort of remind of the Triump Dolomite Sprint in certain angles.

Robert-nszl1

265 posts

26 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Not the greatest example, but I think a handsome car, and in the right hands can be made into something rather special....

https://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-buil...

daniel1920

255 posts

56 months

Sunday 3rd February
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I bought and sold an mx5 with this guy (you’ll find a green mk1 in the sold section)

A credit where credit is due moment, such a a good garage to deal with and always got a flow of interesting cars, always checking out the website just to look what’s on offer!