RE: Mercedes-AMG A35: PH Trade-Off!

RE: Mercedes-AMG A35: PH Trade-Off!

Sunday 17th February 2019

Mercedes-AMG A35: PH Trade-Off!

Merc's latest hot hatch has landed in a whole new price bracket. So what do the classifieds cough up for half as much?



It's not a very PH-y car, the A35, is it? In fact, it came as something of a surprise to hear they'd put it back into production. After all, you'd think its safety standards would prohibit such a thing these days. Even so, it's hard to see quite how it earned its place on the pages of PH; a top speed of 72mph and a 0-60mph time of 30.1 seconds hardly mean 'speed matters'. Mind you, to be fair, there were some pretty hot racing A35s back in the day, so maybe...

Eh? What's that? You meant the Merc, not the Austin? Right. Oh yes. Of course you did. The Mercedes-AMG A35 we tested last month, in fact, which Mr Bird can confirm is categorically not an Austin. It's not the full-fat A-Class either; that's still to come. Instead - as the name ought to suggest to anyone not familiar with BMC's back catalogue - the A35 is AMG trying not quite so hard to rip the hot hatch concept from its moorings, as it did with the dearly departed A45.


That car, lest we forget, had 381hp and a licence to do terrible things with your jowls as it careened about the place. The A35's mission is less overtly dramatic because the competition is less so. Whereas big brother had the Audi RS3 in its crosshairs, the new model is all about taking the fight to the VW Group's other all-wheel-drive hot hatch: the buttoned-down and seriously big-selling Golf R. Consequently it starts from £35,580, which buys you 306hp from a 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine, a seven-speed twin-clutch 'box and sub-5-seconds-to-62mph spiritedness.

Of course the immediate chink in that full bodykit of armour is the fact that its direct rival has already been around for yonks, and £17,790 is more than enough to net you a range-topping Golf like this one. It's a 2014 car with 42,000 miles on the clock, and while it is clearly not as shiny inside as the A35, the similarities elsewhere are striking. Both major in outright poke and all-weather capability; both feature sober good looks and the practicality that comes with five doors. But one will cost you half as much as the other.

Job done, then. Well, yes, but isn't the Golf a bit... obvious? Surely we can find something a little more entertaining? Like this BMW M135i, for example. It's a post-facelift model, which means it gets a smidge more power - 326hp to the older car's 320hp - and while it doesn't boast class-leading agility, its rear-drive balance and lyrical six-pot engine mean it feels heaps more invigorating than the Golf. What it must do without, of course, is the all-weather ability that comes with four-wheel drive. This, then, is not a car that can do all things as well as the A35 - even allowing for the few things it would claim to do better.


What to do, then? Settle for the Golf R as our half-price hero this week? Or... think outside the box? Naturally the latter is much more fun, not least because that's where we found this Audi RS4. It's 12 - count 'em - years old, it's done 83,000 miles, and it's a size up from the A35. In short, it's not really a like-for-like alternative at all.

But bear with us, because there's method to our madness. This RS4 might be old, but it's about as cheap as it's going to get. For sure, this is no investment purchase, but it's hard to imagine B7 RS4s slipping much further than they have done; chances are the value of this one will sit on its plateau for a while - which is, needless to say, not what will happen to a brand-new A35's residual.

Yes, there is the prospect of a hefty repair bill or two. Or five. That much we don't dispute. It's true, too, that the 20-ish MPG you'd get from the Audi is... well, let's just say it's considerably worse than the 38.7mpg of the Merc. But it'd take an awful lot of repair and fuel bills to make up the £18,630 deficit between the two cars. And look at what you get. For starters, there's a V8; a really proper one with a proper soundtrack. That four-wheel drive system is rear-biased, too, which makes the RS4 an absolute hoot to drive; let's not forget that this generation is widely revered as the best of the breed - and for good reason.


The power of that engine means the RS4 will more-or-less match the A35 to 62mph, too, despite its extra weight. And we haven't even started on practicality, in which the RS4 is leagues ahead, thanks to its proper, estate-shaped boot. It's Sprint Blue on the outside; inside you get an Exclusive tan leather interior with carbon inserts - a circumstance you'll undoubtedly have a view on, but it does at least make this example a little different to the norm.

As a purely maths-based Trade-Off, it is a weeny bit tough to make it properly stack up against the A35, we'll grant you. But crikey, it doesn't half tug at the heart. If you're feeling just the right kind of daft, it feels almost note-perfect - and while you'd lack the mod-cons of the Merc, the noise of that V8 would surely be enough to make up for them. Besides, when we set out today, it was to find alternatives to an Austin A35. A 12-year-old RS4 is at least much closer to the brief than that.


SPECIFICATION - MERCEDES-AMG A35
Engine:
1,991cc, 4 cyl, turbo
Transmission: 7-speed twin-clutch, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 306@5,800-6,100rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@3,000-4,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.7secs
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,555kg
MPG: 38.7
CO2: 167g/km
Price: £35,580

SPECIFICATION - AUDI RS4
Engine:
4,163cc V8, naturally aspirated
Transmission: 6-speed manual, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 420@7,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 317@5,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.9secs
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,710kg
MPG: 20.9
CO2: 324g/km
Price: £16,950

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Typo in first paragraph about 0-60 being 30.1 seconds.

Pumpsmynads

268 posts

156 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Super_G said:
Typo in first paragraph about 0-60 being 30.1 seconds.
What should it be?

beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Super_G said:
Typo in first paragraph about 0-60 being 30.1 seconds.
An Austin geek....on PH?!

Goodness me

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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beanoir said:
Super_G said:
Typo in first paragraph about 0-60 being 30.1 seconds.
An Austin geek....on PH?!

Goodness me
Or he scanned the article and didnt realise that they were talking about a different car to the merc?

Motorsport3

499 posts

192 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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So how does it compare with a previous gen A250 with the M270 engine?

Deep Thought

35,817 posts

197 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Motorsport3 said:
So how does it compare with a previous gen A250 with the M270 engine?
I think the comparison would be like the difference between say a warm hatch Golf GT to a Golf R.


Carl_Manchester

12,196 posts

262 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Motorsport3 said:
So how does it compare with a previous gen A250 with the M270 engine?
from my own small test drive AMG have sprinkled a fair amount of fairy dust onto the A35 that just is not there on the new A250 never mind the old one which i considered to be a poor car compared to a golf.

suspension, chassis, software and the integration of the engine with all of those components feels very different on this car to every A class that has gone before it, even the old gen A45.

ok it does not have a blueprinted engine and mercedes have held back on the seat, paint and wheel choices but this is some piece of kit.

demonstrators have been arriving at dealers in the past two to three weeks so would recommend going and checking one out.




nunpuncher

3,384 posts

125 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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I was unimpressed by the a35 looking at videos and reviews online but I found myself at a Mercedes dealership last week, they had just got their demonstrator in and it's a far more impressive car once you're actually in it. It really feels like a quality product.

I always struggle with the "what does the same amount get me in used metal" comparison. The figures here seem well worked out as c17k over 4 years on a used car is about the same as financing or leasing an a35. Difference obviously being value in the used car after 4 years as opposed to having nothing to show for your money on finance. I struggle because cars just seem to age so rapidly in many ways now and nearly everything seems to have at least 1 (usually more) horribly expensive possible Bork. I know they make more financial sense but is the risk v reward really worth it on something like a b7 RS4?

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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What a weird article. I’m actually looking forward to seeing and driving a sedan version of this in the metal, but not sure if I’ll leave being impressed.

Itsallicanafford

2,766 posts

159 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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The answer to this question is a lightly used 2016 RS Megane 275 Cup-s with ohlins, akropovic

scottygib553

530 posts

95 months

Monday 18th February 2019
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The brown wheel on that RS4........yikes

tim milne

344 posts

233 months

Monday 18th February 2019
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Without wishing open a familiar can of worms, but it is sort of relevant to this discussion...

The Golf R mentioned seems to be a fairly basic rental spec with average mileage (42K over 4 years). This would've retailed at around £31K, but could've been had on some of the spectacular lease deals available in 2014 for circa £250 / month for 10K miles p.a. on a 6+48, some deals were less.

This car is retailing for £17,250, so — to the consumer without dealer margins etc — the depreciation is almost exactly the same as the total expenditure on the lease deal.

So, yes, you could buy this Golf now safe in the knowledge that someone else has paid for the depreciation, but if the person who drove it out of the showroom did so on a lease, they certainly didn't pay for the convenience.


menousername

2,108 posts

142 months

Tuesday 19th February 2019
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tim milne said:
Without wishing open a familiar can of worms, but it is sort of relevant to this discussion...

The Golf R mentioned seems to be a fairly basic rental spec with average mileage (42K over 4 years). This would've retailed at around £31K, but could've been had on some of the spectacular lease deals available in 2014 for circa £250 / month for 10K miles p.a. on a 6+48, some deals were less.

This car is retailing for £17,250, so — to the consumer without dealer margins etc — the depreciation is almost exactly the same as the total expenditure on the lease deal.

So, yes, you could buy this Golf now safe in the knowledge that someone else has paid for the depreciation, but if the person who drove it out of the showroom did so on a lease, they certainly didn't pay for the convenience.
They paid for the lease, and after a couple of years had nothing to show for it but the need to take out a new lease.

The used owner, if they treat it well, will pay probably between 7-10k for it over the same time frame all in, subject to how much they oay for servicing and consumables etc, because they will have trade-in value.

menousername

2,108 posts

142 months

Tuesday 19th February 2019
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tim milne said:
Without wishing open a familiar can of worms, but it is sort of relevant to this discussion...

The Golf R mentioned seems to be a fairly basic rental spec with average mileage (42K over 4 years). This would've retailed at around £31K, but could've been had on some of the spectacular lease deals available in 2014 for circa £250 / month for 10K miles p.a. on a 6+48, some deals were less.

This car is retailing for £17,250, so — to the consumer without dealer margins etc — the depreciation is almost exactly the same as the total expenditure on the lease deal.

So, yes, you could buy this Golf now safe in the knowledge that someone else has paid for the depreciation, but if the person who drove it out of the showroom did so on a lease, they certainly didn't pay for the convenience.
They paid for the lease, and after a couple of years had nothing to show for it but the need to take out a new lease.

The used owner, if they treat it well, will pay probably between 7-10k for it over the same time frame all in, subject to how much they oay for servicing and consumables etc, because they will have trade-in value.