RE: Shed of the Week: SEAT Leon Cupra

RE: Shed of the Week: SEAT Leon Cupra

Friday 1st March 2019

Shed of the Week: SEAT Leon Cupra

Before it caught SUV fever, the Leon was the Cupra lynchpin. And a former garage warmer for Shed



Imagine this. Someone you know and trust comes up to you and tells you that he's got a 220hp car that you can have for £1000 cash, today. He tells you it's a modern hatch with an MOT and no major issues. The only thing is, he won't tell you what it is until you've bought it. It's a dare, kind of.

Would you take it on? If you did, and the car turned out to be today's Shed of the Week, would you feel like you'd had a result? Shed would. He ran a new gen-one 207hp Cupra R for a while and absolutely loved it. It was an easy-driving, everyman sort of motor that was as happy trundling around town as it was bashing hard along an open A-road. The interior was a bit drab, but Shed liked its honest, no-nonsense lack of frippery and its willingness to get on with the job.

The front splitter had an ongoing and noisy relationship with speed bumps, but if you ignored that (as Shed did - it wasn't his car) the Leon's unique deadlifter body hunched over chunky gunmetal alloys looked great, especially in red. And even with 207hp - Seat hoisted it to 221hp a year later - it never felt remotely short of puff.


Our Shed is a 20V T Cupra and not an R, though you'd be forgiven for thinking it was, because not only does it have the very handsome R-style wheels, it's been remapped from the original factory figure of 177hp to something nearer to the second-gen R's 221hp output. Everything else being equal, that should give it a six-second 0-60 time.

Is everything else equal, though? Well, although money has been spent on the motive power there's no mention of any chassis work. It failed the last MOT in August on worn front suspension components (nearside front track rod end ball joint and offside front bushes) and the advisories included a spongy brake pedal plus a nail in the nearside rear tyre, so the next owner might want to have a gander at the underside and maybe chuck a few bob at the running gear to make it even more like a real R, or better.

While he or she is under there, they might notice the 'some surface corrosion' that was scribbled into the advisories box by the tester. In this context 'some' is much better than 'a lot', and 'surface' is a whole lot better than 'rotten as a pear'. It's a shame MOT testers aren't allowed to use flowery language like that. Who wouldn't love to see phrases like 'you're having a laugh', 'I wouldn't touch it with yours', or 'call that a CV gaiter preventing the ingress of dirt?' in the Fail section.


The engine belts on this car are about 20k miles old and presumably came with a metal-impeller water pump, so you should be good in that department for another 30k miles/2 years at least. The remap work was carried out by Scunthorpe motorsport outfit Richtoy, who have got themselves a very handy reputation for quality tuning work and friendly service. The vendor's brave offer of test drives certainly suggests he has faith in the car's integrity.

He shouldn't be held accountable for any of the flawed componentry that blighted not just these Leons but also the Mk 4 Golfs and Audi A3s to which they were closely related, eg MAF sensors, top mounts, throttle bodies and of course coil packs. If the turbo doesn't seem to be delivering top beef it could well be down to the coils.

Potential problems exclusive to the Leon would include non-opening back doors, though as a powerfully built PH director you will naturally be able to smash those in without any trouble whatsoever. In fact a well-aimed Fonzie-style rap on the handle will resolve this one if your doors are sticking as the (commonly experienced) result of a loose cable.


The vendor owns up to a busted passenger window regulator, again hardly unusual for these cars. Repair kits are on Amazon for £8.51 including free delivery, although they are side-sensitive so make sure you get the right one. After that it's simply labour time, which takes between 6m 44 seconds and 12m 31 seconds, depending on which YouTube video you're looking at.

Performance-spec Leon clutches have a habit of quitting at around 80k miles. Looking at the 136k mileage on this car, it's unlikely to be on its original one. If the first clutch lasted for more than its 80k expectation then it's all gravy.

You're unlikely to see a genuine R in this £1500 or less column, so a pretty decent impersonation of a gen-two R for £1150 or less seems like a nifty bet.

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Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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2019 - a rich vain of form for SOTW, proves that the increased budget was needed

Evercross

5,945 posts

64 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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"Drab" interior was IIRC lifted straight from its contemporary Audi A3....

whistle

cookie1600

2,114 posts

161 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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I might be up for smashing the back doors in....

paradigital

863 posts

152 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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They are nothing like the Cupra R (or 17” variants found on the FR) wheels, the only similarity is double spikes but even then they are a mile off in styling.

As an avid ex owner of a 225 Cupra R back in the day, this does nothing for me at all, the R was great with its brembo brakes, aggressive styling and superb seats, but the regular 180 is as is said in the article, drab, inside and out.

Halo in reverse

147 posts

107 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Not a bad shed if you want a bit of speed for your bag of sand.

Personally, I'm not a great fan of modifying lesser performance/spec cars to look like their 'big brother'.

only1ian

688 posts

194 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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I do feel for seat/Cupra. They just don’t have the image. Great cars but everyone sees them as a just cut price VW and Skoda have that niche nailed!

Mike335i

5,004 posts

102 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Good shed. Decent performance without being too shouty about it.

I do have a fondness for the brand as I had a 2006 Leon FR. Similarly, when I went to pick it up I found out that had been mapped to the same level as it's 'bigger brother'. Not something I would have chosen to do, but actually quite a pleasant surprise.

DaveTheRave87

2,084 posts

89 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Article said:
The vendor owns up to a busted passenger window regulator, again hardly unusual for these cars. Repair kits are on Amazon for £8.51 including free delivery, although they are side-sensitive so make sure you get the right one.
You'll actually need the left one.

boxedin

JMF894

5,502 posts

155 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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How can you say clutches go by 80K? Clutches really do depend on how the car is treated. I had a MK1 vRS with this exact engine, mapped as this has been and i was on the original clutch at 126k. And that car got ragged regularly.

J4CKO

41,543 posts

200 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Dont mind these but I just think of all the fun to be had under the bonnet faffing with various tubes, coil packs, plugs and valves named by a number with N in front.

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

224 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Solid shed.

Leon was the best/most resolved car to come off the Mk4 Golf platform. Badge snobs need not apply.

AC43

11,484 posts

208 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Mike335i said:
Good shed. Decent performance without being too shouty about it.
Yeah I'd agree with that. My sort of shed.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Had a cupra R 225.

Brilliant car,fast,stops quick, lovely styling.

Used to get terrible back ache after around 2p mins driving which wouldn't go away regardless of how I had the seat.

Also a strange occasional wobble that wouldn't go away with new brakes,tyres,wheels and suspension components.

This isn't bad for a grand and there are far worse choices out there.

Good SOTW

aka_kerrly

12,418 posts

210 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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DaveTheRave87 said:
Article said:
The vendor owns up to a busted passenger window regulator, again hardly unusual for these cars. Repair kits are on Amazon for £8.51 including free delivery, although they are side-sensitive so make sure you get the right one.
You'll actually need the left one.

boxedin
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i like that.

These mk1 Leon Cupras have been hanging around the £1k mark for a few years now and represent good value for money. They are without a doubt more entertaining than a mk4 Golf GTI 150hp whilst being even more practical. The Seat suspension/steering treatment helped more so than just the extra power.


Quadcamboy

122 posts

207 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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JMF894 said:
How can you say clutches go by 80K? Clutches really do depend on how the car is treated. I had a MK1 vRS with this exact engine, mapped as this has been and i was on the original clutch at 126k. And that car got ragged regularly.
193k and mines on the original clutch

greenarrow

3,589 posts

117 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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I always fancied the Mk1 Cupra R as I felt it was particularly under-rated and over-looked in its day alongside the Civic Type R and Focus RS, but for me the 180 model falls a bit into the bland VAG category, even one thats been remapped. I think they look really quite dated now, more so than the MK1 Focus which was launched nearly two years earlier.

Not for me, although I respect it as a good all rounder. I've also had first hand experience of the 1.8T VAG engine and all the annoying little maladies that engine can throw up, including the dreaded low oil pressure light coming on.

I'd rather have an early MK2 Leon which are getting towards the SHED price territory. Sharper handling and better looking IMO. A friend has one of those on 230K miles and its been absolutely trouble free.

jonwm

2,518 posts

114 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Had a MK1 R and it was probably the best car i have ever had, probably due to the speed as it was my first real hot hatch, loved the looks, brembo's were awesome and drove really well, friend had a Cupra 180 but it just wasn't the same.

I traded mine with 70k on the clock full service history into a seat dealer in 2012 for £1800, what on earth was i thinking.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Quadcamboy said:
JMF894 said:
How can you say clutches go by 80K? Clutches really do depend on how the car is treated. I had a MK1 vRS with this exact engine, mapped as this has been and i was on the original clutch at 126k. And that car got ragged regularly.
193k and mines on the original clutch
The clutches don't use asbestos anymore, so they wear out quicker.

I have a 2010 Peugeot 107 from new, and at 60,000 miles the clutch went and it was replaced.

The second hand 2010 Peugeot 3008 I have now (2 owners, I got it when it had 30,000 on the clock) got to 60,000 miles when the clutch went.

The 1998 Toyota Corolla I have now (6 owners, I got it when it had 90,000 on the clock) was on it's original clutch at 110,000 miles before I replaced it as I had to change a gearbox seal, and thought I might as well.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Loved the one I had for 3 years. Back then the AA man used to carry the coil packs and flog them to you. Replaced all 4 and they still kept dying. After the suspension broke and the clutch failed, I got fed up with it. Plus side was that they go and handle well. Build quality put me off VAG products for life though.

TEKNOPUG

18,948 posts

205 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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paradigital said:
They are nothing like the Cupra R (or 17” variants found on the FR) wheels, the only similarity is double spikes but even then they are a mile off in styling.

As an avid ex owner of a 225 Cupra R back in the day, this does nothing for me at all, the R was great with its brembo brakes, aggressive styling and superb seats, but the regular 180 is as is said in the article, drab, inside and out.
It's a grand though. Consider it in that context rather than any comparison to an R.