RE: Next Civic Type R set for electric overhaul

RE: Next Civic Type R set for electric overhaul

Wednesday 6th March 2019

Next Civic Type R set for electric overhaul

Designers at Honda are mulling ways to integrate electric tech into the Type R



The next Civic Type R will undergo its biggest transformation yet so as to conform with Honda’s plans to electrify every model in its European range by 2025. That’s what was hinted to PH by senior Honda personnel at the Geneva motor show, who suggested the car would integrate electrification alongside a drastic change in design direction from the sharp and angular image of recent generations.

“We think it’d be quite easy to achieve Type R performance with a full EV right now, but Type R isn’t just about performance,” said Kohei Hitomi, who is Honda’s project lead for the new e Prototype. “It’s also about handling, operation and driveability. We don’t think it’s as simple as replacing that with electric power. That’s not the right direction for Type R.”

Instead, Hitomi said Honda’s exploring the advantages of electric power and how to use them to enhance the existing Type R formula. Although his answer remained vague – probably because the focus right now is not on Type R but rather Honda’s new electric models – it points to an almost inevitable use of hybrid power for the Type R’s successor. It certainly makes sense for that 2025 pledge, plus it’s something rival Ford is already working on with the next-gen Focus RS.


“People complained when we said the Type R would use a turbocharger, but now they appreciate the new possibilities this has provided,” Hitomi said. “I believe it would be the same for electrified vehicles as well; people who love Type R will come to realise what it can add to the driving experience. We just need to find the best attributes that are relevant for the Type R, so as to enhance the experience without losing what makes a Type R.”

Honda has recently introduced a new hybrid system based around a four-cylinder engine in its CR-V. It doesn’t seem too far-fetched to suggest a higher-performance motor – perhaps an evolved version of today’s turbocharged 2.0-litre – could gain some of the hardware introduced on that to produce a Type R with outputs that far exceed the current car’s 320hp and 295lb ft figures. Honda certainly knows how to make a petrol-electric layout work, see the V6 hybrids of the NSX and its fast-improving F1 programme as examples.


Hitomi’s thoughts for a major transformation were echoed by the brand’s designers. The team that created the e Prototype’s simplistic shape told PH that they expect the wider Honda range – including the hottest stuff – to be influenced. In fact, they collectively agreed it would be highly beneficial to help Honda contrast the “aggressive” design used by rivals. Music to the ears of those who’ve remained uncomfortable with the Civic Type R’s sharp looks, maybe.

Although for the Type R, what has long mattered most is a high-revving VTEC engine. Honda will no doubt want to ensure this visceral component remains a dominant one in the future, while also accommodating the tech required to meet its 2025 pledge. For those who can only ever imagine a Type R in a purer state, however, it might also leave today’s ultra-impressive Civic and atmospheric classics like the Integra looking all the more special.

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MikeGoodwin

Original Poster:

3,337 posts

117 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Imagine a high revving electrically assisted K20A engine replacing the current K20C, bit like Ferrari did with the Ferrari La Ferrari.

Can dream...

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Imagine two electric motors taking care of the rear wheels that eliminate the disadvantages of the fwd platform?

The next Type-R could well be the best yet.

Haltamer

2,455 posts

80 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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There was talk of an empty void around the rear axle on the 10G that had potential for hybrid components.

That said, IMA boosting the engine as with the CRZ would work well and maintain a manual transmission as a practical option.

fathomfive

9,916 posts

190 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Imagine it being good looking too.

Black S2K

1,471 posts

249 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Depends on the voltage - an e-charger for low-down response, permitting a larger one for the top-end might be another option.

It could make RWS very responsive, too.

If 'lightweight' is no longer an option, then e-SHAWD would be the way to go.




Sion111R

311 posts

92 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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“Imagine it was good looking made me laugh”. On two occasions I have come so close to buying one of these, but just not brave enough to upset the Boss. To give a bit of context, I am 50 something. Second time I even made sure my wife and I walked to the car face on as it were. Opened up the passenger door for her to sit in it. All was well. But then she got out and had a proper look round. Rolled her eyes and said “didn’t we look at one of these last year”....... biglaugh

pacdes

491 posts

161 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Get ready for another fugly car.

Montybaber

88 posts

62 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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The FK8 styling is just a little ahead of it's time, it is already more accepted than it was at launch and in a year or two it will be a design classic smile

In all seriousness id rather own a car that divides opinion than one that gets lost in a sea of German saloons

David87

6,651 posts

212 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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ETEC just kicked in, yo! wink

Mafffew

2,149 posts

111 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Montybaber said:
In all seriousness id rather own a car that divides opinion than one that gets lost in a sea of German saloons
Agree with that completely. If I had a choice between the current Golf GTI or Type R, I'd have the Type R.

Freakuk

3,143 posts

151 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Saw one at the station car park this morning, it still screams "crashed into Halfords" in my eyes. I actually recall thinking if it was the best car ever I still wouldn't own one, I owned one back in 2002 when they looked more acceptable.

Closing the Swindon factory may have it's benefits, just not to the economy after all.

Paul671

335 posts

207 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Imagine two electric motors taking care of the rear wheels that eliminate the disadvantages of the fwd platform?

The next Type-R could well be the best yet.
Already exists. Orbis ring drive for the FK8. Looks strange.

michaelw3628

198 posts

206 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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“Honda has recently introduced a new hybrid system based around a 1.5-litre engine in its CR-V. ”

Erm. No! The hybrid is based on a century old 2.0 engine. The 1.5 turbo is the alternative standard Petrol engine.

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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If it looks the same, not even 2000bhp would tempt me.

blademansw

83 posts

221 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Imagine a lithium ion battery fire burning the Type R to the ground. Glorious.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

170 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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It certainly wouldn’t make it look any worse

rb_89

113 posts

70 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Montybaber said:
The FK8 styling is just a little ahead of it's time, it is already more accepted than it was at launch and in a year or two it will be a design classic smile

In all seriousness id rather own a car that divides opinion than one that gets lost in a sea of German saloons
It's grown on me massively, hated it when I first saw it... now I'm thinking it could replace my FK2 in a few years.... maybe...

RWDan

42 posts

115 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Freakuk said:
Closing the Swindon factory may have it's benefits, just not to the economy after all.
In my opinion, Honda have been lazy for years, they were churning out the old n/a 1.8 (in their cooking models) for far too long when everyone else went turbo. It's only now they are being forced to move with the times quickly that they are doing so.

A good ploy, close the Swindon plant so Honda can be "fantastic" once more.... even though it's the same designers in Japan that are finally putting the effort into moving things along which should have been done years ago.

Speed_Demon

2,662 posts

188 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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I'd love it if they just took their 1L, went a bit crazy with internals to give it huge revs and provided an electric motor to provide low down grunt. Would be the perfect mix!

Haltamer

2,455 posts

80 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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RWDan said:
In my opinion, Honda have been lazy for years, they were churning out the old n/a 1.8 (in their cooking models) for far too long when everyone else went turbo. It's only now they are being forced to move with the times quickly that they are doing so.
I'd agree with this - The R18 / L13 Engine models have been doing the rounds for a long time, and whilst they are reliable picks being simple, NA, with timing chains and a number of revisions which bodes well for reliability, the performance compared to competition does leave a fair bit to be desired.

The 1L / 1.5L Turbo VTEC Units in the new hatchback are very impressive; Stock power figures are greater than other manufacturers, whilst maintaining economy:- The 1.5L has been remapped up to 240BHP using a tuning box in its stock form.

I've no idea why they didn't offer the 1L Turbo with the new Jazz generation, but rumblings from insider sources shows they will most likely be discontinuing the 1L after this Civic model.