RE: Porsche CEO: Next 718 cars will get hybrid option

RE: Porsche CEO: Next 718 cars will get hybrid option

Saturday 23rd March

Porsche CEO: Next 718 cars will get hybrid option

Blume confirms electrified powertrains for Cayman and Boxster and reveals dream of an EV hypercar



Porsche CEO Oliver Blume has revealed that the Stuttgart-based manufacturer will introduce hybrid versions of its 718 Cayman and Boxster models in the next decade - and it's already testing prototypes that combine the boxer four engine with electric power. However, the electrified versions of the coupe and drop-top sports models will be launched as part of the following-generation line-up, because the current 718 can't integrate the additional hardware.

It's thought that the cars will run with a further-developed version of today's flat-four petrol engine and integrate an electric motor within the automatic gearbox, offering the usual torque filling advantages and power boosts associated with performance hybrid setups. It's not yet clear whether the electrified 718s will be plug-in or conventional hybrids, or whether both versions could be offered for different markets.


Blume said he preferred conventional, plug-free hybrids because such a technical layout uses smaller batteries and "is closer to the motorsport setup [Porsche] had in the 919 race car". Although the CEO admitted that pressure for zero-emission capabilities might encourage the use of a heavier and bigger battery reliant PHEV setup, something the brand has extensive experience in with the Panamera and Cayenne hybrid models. It's thought that some weight gain in a hybrid 718 could be offset with a smaller fuel tank - as is rumoured to be the case with the upcoming hybrid 911.

Since the demise of the flat-six in the main 718 models, the Cayman and Boxster have rather fallen from grace amongst certain enthusiasts; could providing them with the additional shove of electric grunt rejuvenate them and make the divisive tone of their four-pot motors more acceptable? Or would it be yet another blow to the once adored Porsche pairing? We'll leave the discussion to you.

As for the rest of the line-up, Blume said that Porsche's future range, which will include a fully electric Macan at the start of the next decade, might also feature an EV version of the Cayenne in the coming few years. And while the 992 911 is set to receive a hybrid model, Blume said no model would run without a flat-six at its core because "the flat-six is 911". He also ruled out any chance of a flat-four motor making its way into Porsche's most iconic model.


It seems the Panamera will also be safe from full electrification thanks to the arrival of the Taycan, which will do the job of a more-door EV while the Panamera feeds demand for hybrid and conventional petrol power. Interestingly, more than 50 per cent of global sales are for the hybrid models, illustrating just how advanced the shift already is.

That, and the fact that more than 20,000 deposits (of €2,500) have been put down for the Taycan before it's been revealed, has given Porsche confidence to consider an all-electric hypercar to head its range. Blume said such a car was just a dream for now, but that if it were to happen, it "would have to be the best in the market". We did think it would be a shame to let that recent 917 tribute go to waste...

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mrclav

Original Poster:

785 posts

164 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Is any of this really a surprise?

The Voice

155 posts

90 months

Saturday 23rd March
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I know it’s ‘progress’ and downsizing / electrification is inevitable etc.

But this news makes me sad... and makes the whole thing less appealing. The currrent 718 fitted with a singing flat 6 like before would be soooooooo much more desirable!

Venisonpie

290 posts

23 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Flat 4, hybrid automatic. Oh the joy..

Nerdherder

584 posts

38 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Yes please!! Ideal next daily driver for me! Make it a phev in the ilk of the BMW 330e/530e etc please.

Edited by Nerdherder on Saturday 23 March 09:04

wab172uk

1,287 posts

168 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Venisonpie said:
Flat 4, hybrid automatic. Oh the joy..
That's what I thought

Bigger car to accommodate all the Battery stuff, which will result in a heavier car. And yet another nail in the coffin of the manual gearbox.
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florian

145 posts

215 months

Saturday 23rd March
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I thought the current sales figures for the 718 made it pretty clear: People don’t want a 4 cylinder Boxster/Cayman. Bring th 6 cylinder back with a mild hybrid (low weight battery) and everything will be fine ...

nickfrog

9,617 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd March
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florian said:
People don’t want a 4 cylinder Boxster/Cayman.
The prices of second hand 718 tell me otherwise.


Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 23 March 14:18

Markytee

5 posts

12 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Had the pleasure of travelling to Guildford Porsche yesterday with a mate who was collecting his new 718, the sales man said there is talk of a 6 cylinder engine being put back in the Boxster/Cayman with a name tag Boxster6 / Cayman6, and he didn’t mean the GT4....let’s hope he’s correct

PantsFire

450 posts

21 months

Saturday 23rd March
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I'd rather they were all-electric, a fart box motor and heavy batteries sounds like the worst of all worlds.

Riverside Red

787 posts

76 months

Saturday 23rd March
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nickfrog said:
florian said:
People don’t want a 4 cylinder Boxster/Cayman.
The prices of second hand 718 tell me otherwise.


Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 23 March 14:18
What like a number of 718's are at mid £30k's, actually less than similar spec 981's.

RR

Riverside Red

787 posts

76 months

Saturday 23rd March
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PantsFire said:
I'd rather they were all-electric, a fart box motor and heavy batteries sounds like the worst of all worlds.
Me too.....small simple EV roadster would do me fine.

RR

kambites

56,495 posts

162 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Small and simple are hardly words one associates with Porsche.

Goofnik

205 posts

81 months

Saturday 23rd March
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The Voice said:
I know it’s ‘progress’ and downsizing / electrification is inevitable etc.

But this news makes me sad... and makes the whole thing less appealing. The currrent 718 fitted with a singing flat 6 like before would be soooooooo much more desirable!
I wouldn’t be super pessimistic on this.

One thing I hybrid could allow is dropping the turbo. Porsche has made great sounding normally aspirated flat-fours before (the original 718s), and the hybrid torque filling could be interesting, as you could have a very high revving (8K+) flat-four coupled with electric motor whine, all with no lag. Though to hit expected performance numbers the turbo will likely stay — but there’s a chance it could be without forced induction.

And I say this as a 981 Spyder owner with it being his forever car.

SydneySE

375 posts

201 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Goofnik said:
I wouldn’t be super pessimistic on this.

One thing I hybrid could allow is dropping the turbo. Porsche has made great sounding normally aspirated flat-fours before (the original 718s), and the hybrid torque filling could be interesting, as you could have a very high revving (8K+) flat-four coupled with electric motor whine, all with no lag. Though to hit expected performance numbers the turbo will likely stay — but there’s a chance it could be without forced induction.

And I say this as a 981 Spyder owner with it being his forever car.
what way back when (the original 718s) sounded like dak daks? (i.e beetles) with their flat 4s LOL, hey even the 912 (flat 4 powered 911 body) back at the start of the change from 356 to 911, also sounded like a dak dak. To understand why, its about the exhaust layout (and partially the cylinder scavenging/filling issues associated with it. To really understand why flat4s (NA ones) sound like they do (i.e classic dak dak or throbby sooby 4), this short video is an excellent engineering (in easy language) explanation of flat 4s and 6s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKPPFigKXzE




wab172uk

1,287 posts

168 months

Sunday 24th March
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Riverside Red said:
PantsFire said:
I'd rather they were all-electric, a fart box motor and heavy batteries sounds like the worst of all worlds.
Me too.....small simple EV roadster would do me fine.

RR
No manual gearbox, and no engine sound out of the car. Can't imagine anything worse to drive TBH

hyphen

9,132 posts

31 months

Monday 25th March
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mrclav said:
Is any of this really a surprise?
Yes, I was surprised to see the headline. Thought Porsche would produce more than just Seven Hundred and Eighteen hybrids...

romac

71 posts

87 months

Monday 25th March
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Very interesting comment in the article said:
Blume said he preferred conventional, plug-free hybrids because such a technical layout uses smaller batteries and "is closer to the motorsport setup [Porsche] had in the 919 race car"
I might change a few names and use it to describe my hybrid Toyota Auris Touring Sport Excel ... wink


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