RE: Next Audi RS6 could get 650hp

RE: Next Audi RS6 could get 650hp

Friday 29th March 2019

Next Audi RS6 could get 650hp: Video!

Audi Sport's next super wagon is incoming. Expect it to be something of a swansong



UPDATE - 29.03.2019

Like your family cars of the muscular, burbly and very mean kind? You’ll be wanting to watch our new video footage of Audi’s next-gen RS6 Avant testing at its favourite venue. The development car is being put through its paces on the Green Hell in the run up to its launch, with the V8-powered – yep, there’s no mistaking the source of that noise – German doing what its forebears did, defying the laws of nature, as effectively as ever.

The new Audi Sport could be on for a slight reduction in mass, which might help with all the anti-physics stuff, thanks to the use of the MLB Evo platform. Although you’re unlikely to hear anyone this side of a ship engineer call the RS6 light. Certainly the test car ducks and dives along the Nurburgring like a circa 1,900kg car, with what appears to be some natural (and expected) understeer, that’s swiftly followed by grip and a lot more grip. Note the way those four wheels deploy an anticipated 650hp into the asphalt. Sweat is never broken.

The car you see here looks like the first of two versions due in Audi’s next RS6 line-up. This pure combustion model – which could be the very last of its kind – will be followed by a hybrid version, the details of which we go into more detail in below. Rest assured that our spy videographers will be on hand to capture the first footage of that anticipated 700hp model when it hits the track laden with an electric motor and batteries, something we’re expecting all following hot Audi wagons to receive in the next decade…

ORIGINAL STORY - 26.03.2019


Could we be on the cusp of a new engine power war between the Audi RS6, BMW M5 and Mercedes-AMG E63? We are, after all, in an era when the last pure combustion-powered models of this type exist, all producing around 600hp from turbocharging. To achieve more in the future while also conforming to ever-tightening emissions limits, hybrid power is somewhat inevitable, meaning today’s non-electrified cars might be the last of the ‘old school’. And if rumours of the next Audi RS6 are anything to go by, it could be the most potent of them all.

Seen here in Avant form - what else? - at the Nurburgring, it’s due with a further developed version of the current twin-blower 4.0-litre V8 that should push it comfortably over the 600hp mark, which previously only the Performance variant was capable of. This would bring the RS6 right up to the sharp end of the class, with some speculators suggesting it'll breeze past the AMG E63 S’s 612hp and BMW M5’s 625hp with a Lamborghini Urus-matching 650hp. That's quite a way to close off an era of pure combustion engined Audi Sport A6s.


Things could get hotter still with this generation, because the RS6 line-up looks set to gain its first hybrid variant, mating that V8 to an electric motor with an output edging towards 700hp the expected result. The plug-in setup will be shared with the RS7 and has been powering Porsche's Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid to 680hp for a couple of years, where it also enables 31 miles of electric range. Though those in search of a purer package will likely still find the inevitably lighter non-hybrid RS6 the more naturally sporting option, at least as far as handling is concerned.

It looks enormous, doesn’t it? If the pictures are anything to go by, the next RS6 Avant’s use of a 12mm longer A6 estate body and frankly massive wheels should also help it dwarf all other wagons in a car park. The growth spurt for the regular car was driven by the desire to create a roomier cabin, but the knock-on effects of this bigger MLB Evo skeleton are an extended wheelbase and wider tracks. In the RS6, that should provide more grip and traction, although the old car was already famed for its unbreakable bond with the tarmac.


That did, admittedly leave the RS6 unable to challenge the more mobile E63 for driver involvement. But the car’s physics-defying turn of pace was often too much of a distraction for a driver giddy on adrenaline to care. Such a trait has been a consistent one among hot Audis of late, so expect more of the same in the next RS6, albeit to a previously unfathomable degree. And judging by the largely finished look of the RS6 Avant test car, we’re not long from finding out first hand just how high the bar has been pushed as well. Roll on summertime…


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Zumbruk

Original Poster:

7,848 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.

simonbamg

767 posts

123 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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Zumbruk said:
I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.
skinny tyres and 650 bhp isn't a good mix

Zumbruk

Original Poster:

7,848 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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simonbamg said:
Zumbruk said:
I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.
skinny tyres and 650 bhp isn't a good mix
It's not the skinnyness; it's the profile. The road noise will drive you crazy.

simonbamg

767 posts

123 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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Zumbruk said:
It's not the skinnyness; it's the profile. The road noise will drive you crazy.
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant

PaulGT3

375 posts

172 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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simonbamg said:
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.

dxg

8,184 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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simonbamg said:
Zumbruk said:
I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.
skinny tyres and 650 bhp isn't a good mix
Don't think you'll be able to hear it over the thunderous engine noise anyway...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp83qahFlpo

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

170 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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I doubt most buyers would give the slightest fk with that engine thundering away under the bonnet.

650hp in a dog chariot ffs.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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I do wonder where it ends though, I mean how much more power and how quicker to 60 can you actually get? Without a doubt, I'd have one over any other family car though.

Julian Thompson

2,529 posts

238 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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PaulGT3 said:
simonbamg said:
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.
Those look fab what type are they? Is there a reference number or anything?

PaulGT3

375 posts

172 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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Julian Thompson said:
Those look fab what type are they? Is there a reference number or anything?
513M

Wills2

22,782 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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PaulGT3 said:


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.
Were they an option in the UK though? I know they were standard fit in some countries (the US as an example) with the 19" 437M being the upgrade but in the UK the 19" was standard.

I don't recall them as an option when I got my F80 in 2016, same with the half leather/cloth interior that was the base spec in other countries as well.





Zippee

13,459 posts

234 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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Owning 600bhp rs6 performance it'll be interesting to see just hire quick this new one is as mine is blinding.
As for road noise, even with 21" wheels is quieter by a long way than my old 2016 jeep grand Cherokee or my wife's evoque.

Digger

14,642 posts

191 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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Zippee said:
Owning 600bhp rs6 performance it'll be interesting to see just hire quick this new one is as mine is blinding.
As for road noise, even with 21" wheels is quieter by a long way than my old 2016 jeep grand Cherokee or my wife's evoque.
Could you kindly update your garage? wink wouldn’t mind seeing a pic is all. smile

alec.e

2,149 posts

124 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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A 650bhp estate and all people care about is the profile of the tyres rolleyes
PH 2019.

madcal

965 posts

137 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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alec.e said:
A 650bhp estate and all people care about is the profile of the tyres rolleyes
PH 2019.
Exactly.

I love my RS6 performance and the only thing which will pry the keys from my fingers is the new version! Bonkers.

I laugh every time I plant my right foot.

Osinjak

5,453 posts

121 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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Alucidnation said:
I doubt most buyers would give the slightest fk with that engine thundering away under the bonnet.

650hp in a dog chariot ffs.
I thought half term was over.

StuH

2,557 posts

273 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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anonymous said:
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You must have driven around a car park at 20mph judging by that comment :roll eyes:

There quite a few criticisms you can make about an RS6 - lack of excitement isn’t one of them........

garystoybox

776 posts

117 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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StuH said:
anonymous said:
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You must have driven around a car park at 20mph judging by that comment :roll eyes:

There quite a few criticisms you can make about an RS6 - lack of excitement isn’t one of them........
To be fair, it is a bit of a one trick pony. Once you’ve launched it a few times my overriding memory was the numb, lifeless steering and silly engineered exhaust farts. Expect more of the same from the new, physically bigger version.

Hairymonster

1,427 posts

105 months

Tuesday 26th March 2019
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And in 6 month's time it'll be 700bhp, then Spring next year 750bhp etc. etc.

All the while having to give it ever more complex traction control devices to stop it eating its tyres in 50 miles or stop its driver launching themselves backwards through a hedge at 80mph.

Apart from driving in a straight line above 90mph (once launch control has stopped it spinning the tyres into oblivion from a standing start) when will that car ever be able to deploy anything like the full stable of horses?

While it has 650bhp, it would be interesting to know how much was ever deployed - bet it would never get near the full monty.

AMG Merc/Beemer M5/Audi RS gets yet more mega horsepower is hardly imaginative product development.

Reduce the weight and the power and make it handle without all the driver intervention safety devices. I'm no Porsche fanboy, but they don't seem to chase endless bhp numbers, concentrating instead on improving the whole car rather than putting ever-larger turbos/superchargers under the bonnet.

smilo996

2,783 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th March 2019
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Looks like they could put some less gangsta wafeur thin tyres on and tune the suspension up a bit.
Having said that, it is likely to be damn quick.