RE: Next Audi RS6 could get 650hp

RE: Next Audi RS6 could get 650hp

Friday 29th March

Next Audi RS6 could get 650hp: Video!

Audi Sport's next super wagon is incoming. Expect it to be something of a swansong



UPDATE - 29.03.2019

Like your family cars of the muscular, burbly and very mean kind? You’ll be wanting to watch our new video footage of Audi’s next-gen RS6 Avant testing at its favourite venue. The development car is being put through its paces on the Green Hell in the run up to its launch, with the V8-powered – yep, there’s no mistaking the source of that noise – German doing what its forebears did, defying the laws of nature, as effectively as ever.

The new Audi Sport could be on for a slight reduction in mass, which might help with all the anti-physics stuff, thanks to the use of the MLB Evo platform. Although you’re unlikely to hear anyone this side of a ship engineer call the RS6 light. Certainly the test car ducks and dives along the Nurburgring like a circa 1,900kg car, with what appears to be some natural (and expected) understeer, that’s swiftly followed by grip and a lot more grip. Note the way those four wheels deploy an anticipated 650hp into the asphalt. Sweat is never broken.

The car you see here looks like the first of two versions due in Audi’s next RS6 line-up. This pure combustion model – which could be the very last of its kind – will be followed by a hybrid version, the details of which we go into more detail in below. Rest assured that our spy videographers will be on hand to capture the first footage of that anticipated 700hp model when it hits the track laden with an electric motor and batteries, something we’re expecting all following hot Audi wagons to receive in the next decade…

ORIGINAL STORY - 26.03.2019


Could we be on the cusp of a new engine power war between the Audi RS6, BMW M5 and Mercedes-AMG E63? We are, after all, in an era when the last pure combustion-powered models of this type exist, all producing around 600hp from turbocharging. To achieve more in the future while also conforming to ever-tightening emissions limits, hybrid power is somewhat inevitable, meaning today’s non-electrified cars might be the last of the ‘old school’. And if rumours of the next Audi RS6 are anything to go by, it could be the most potent of them all.

Seen here in Avant form - what else? - at the Nurburgring, it’s due with a further developed version of the current twin-blower 4.0-litre V8 that should push it comfortably over the 600hp mark, which previously only the Performance variant was capable of. This would bring the RS6 right up to the sharp end of the class, with some speculators suggesting it'll breeze past the AMG E63 S’s 612hp and BMW M5’s 625hp with a Lamborghini Urus-matching 650hp. That's quite a way to close off an era of pure combustion engined Audi Sport A6s.


Things could get hotter still with this generation, because the RS6 line-up looks set to gain its first hybrid variant, mating that V8 to an electric motor with an output edging towards 700hp the expected result. The plug-in setup will be shared with the RS7 and has been powering Porsche's Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid to 680hp for a couple of years, where it also enables 31 miles of electric range. Though those in search of a purer package will likely still find the inevitably lighter non-hybrid RS6 the more naturally sporting option, at least as far as handling is concerned.

It looks enormous, doesn’t it? If the pictures are anything to go by, the next RS6 Avant’s use of a 12mm longer A6 estate body and frankly massive wheels should also help it dwarf all other wagons in a car park. The growth spurt for the regular car was driven by the desire to create a roomier cabin, but the knock-on effects of this bigger MLB Evo skeleton are an extended wheelbase and wider tracks. In the RS6, that should provide more grip and traction, although the old car was already famed for its unbreakable bond with the tarmac.


That did, admittedly leave the RS6 unable to challenge the more mobile E63 for driver involvement. But the car’s physics-defying turn of pace was often too much of a distraction for a driver giddy on adrenaline to care. Such a trait has been a consistent one among hot Audis of late, so expect more of the same in the next RS6, albeit to a previously unfathomable degree. And judging by the largely finished look of the RS6 Avant test car, we’re not long from finding out first hand just how high the bar has been pushed as well. Roll on summertime…


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Zumbruk

Original Poster:

4,987 posts

201 months

Tuesday 26th March
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I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.

simonbamg

244 posts

64 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Zumbruk said:
I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.
skinny tyres and 650 bhp isn't a good mix

Zumbruk

Original Poster:

4,987 posts

201 months

Tuesday 26th March
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simonbamg said:
Zumbruk said:
I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.
skinny tyres and 650 bhp isn't a good mix
It's not the skinnyness; it's the profile. The road noise will drive you crazy.

simonbamg

244 posts

64 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Zumbruk said:
It's not the skinnyness; it's the profile. The road noise will drive you crazy.
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant

PaulGT3

285 posts

113 months

Tuesday 26th March
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simonbamg said:
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.
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dxg

5,236 posts

201 months

Tuesday 26th March
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simonbamg said:
Zumbruk said:
I imagine the blinding headache induced by the road noise from those stupid tyres will be slightly distracting.
skinny tyres and 650 bhp isn't a good mix
Don't think you'll be able to hear it over the thunderous engine noise anyway...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp83qahFlpo

Alucidnation

10,316 posts

111 months

Tuesday 26th March
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I doubt most buyers would give the slightest fk with that engine thundering away under the bonnet.

650hp in a dog chariot ffs.

aaron_2000

2,943 posts

24 months

Tuesday 26th March
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I do wonder where it ends though, I mean how much more power and how quicker to 60 can you actually get? Without a doubt, I'd have one over any other family car though.

Julian Thompson

895 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th March
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PaulGT3 said:
simonbamg said:
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.
Those look fab what type are they? Is there a reference number or anything?

PaulGT3

285 posts

113 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Julian Thompson said:
Those look fab what type are they? Is there a reference number or anything?
513M

Wills2

15,574 posts

116 months

Tuesday 26th March
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PaulGT3 said:


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.
Were they an option in the UK though? I know they were standard fit in some countries (the US as an example) with the 19" 437M being the upgrade but in the UK the 19" was standard.

I don't recall them as an option when I got my F80 in 2016, same with the half leather/cloth interior that was the base spec in other countries as well.





cmoose

44,340 posts

170 months

Tuesday 26th March
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PaulGT3 said:


Pity no-one chose the optional 18" wheels on an M4. More sidewall and brakes filling the wheels looks ace as well as obvious ride quality benefits.
Nice. They look so much better than the god-awful ultra-low profile crap that's fitted to everything these days.

cmoose

44,340 posts

170 months

Tuesday 26th March
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simonbamg said:
i'm just trying to think of a modern high performance car with high profile tyres.... nope cant
Base 981/718 on 18s are pretty high profile, and all the better for it. 718 is 300hp and fairly nippy.



I ran my old 987 3.4 on high profile 17s and it was miles more fun than on the numb, crashy 18s and 19s.





Zippee

11,830 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Owning 600bhp rs6 performance it'll be interesting to see just hire quick this new one is as mine is blinding.
As for road noise, even with 21" wheels is quieter by a long way than my old 2016 jeep grand Cherokee or my wife's evoque.

Digger

11,007 posts

132 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Zippee said:
Owning 600bhp rs6 performance it'll be interesting to see just hire quick this new one is as mine is blinding.
As for road noise, even with 21" wheels is quieter by a long way than my old 2016 jeep grand Cherokee or my wife's evoque.
Could you kindly update your garage? wink wouldn’t mind seeing a pic is all. smile

alec.e

1,154 posts

65 months

Tuesday 26th March
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A 650bhp estate and all people care about is the profile of the tyres rolleyes
PH 2019.

cmoose

44,340 posts

170 months

Tuesday 26th March
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alec.e said:
A 650bhp estate and all people care about is the profile of the tyres rolleyes
PH 2019.
TBH, the drive is going to be pretty generic. Fast but generic. I've driven the old 550hp version and frankly another 550hp wouldn't make it exciting, so I have my doubts about another 100hp.

M5, RS6, various Mercs - the 4.0-litre hot vee thing is pretty homogeneous at this point and a bit more power doesn't change that. In a lot of ways, the 650hp bit is one of the least interesting aspects of the car.

madcal

221 posts

78 months

Tuesday 26th March
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alec.e said:
A 650bhp estate and all people care about is the profile of the tyres rolleyes
PH 2019.
Exactly.

I love my RS6 performance and the only thing which will pry the keys from my fingers is the new version! Bonkers.

I laugh every time I plant my right foot.

Osinjak

2,256 posts

62 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Alucidnation said:
I doubt most buyers would give the slightest fk with that engine thundering away under the bonnet.

650hp in a dog chariot ffs.
I thought half term was over.

StuH

2,507 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th March
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cmoose said:
TBH, the drive is going to be pretty generic. Fast but generic. I've driven the old 550hp version and frankly another 550hp wouldn't make it exciting, so I have my doubts about another 100hp.

M5, RS6, various Mercs - the 4.0-litre hot vee thing is pretty homogeneous at this point and a bit more power doesn't change that. In a lot of ways, the 650hp bit is one of the least interesting aspects of the car.
You must have driven around a car park at 20mph judging by that comment :roll eyes:

There quite a few criticisms you can make about an RS6 - lack of excitement isn’t one of them........