RE: Shed of the Week: Honda Civic Type R (EP3)

RE: Shed of the Week: Honda Civic Type R (EP3)

Friday 29th March 2019

Shed of the Week: Honda Civic Type R (EP3)

This could be the greatest hot hatch bargain on PH - so long as you're prepared to keep it going...



It had to happen eventually. Sound the trumpets, batten down the hatches and keep your hand on your ha’penny: an EP3 Civic Type R is making its debut appearance in Shed of the Week.

Shed would not presume to deliver a lecture to the PH community on the merits of this excellent little car, any more than he would tell Mrs Shed how to cook her signature dish of tripe fritters with entrail jus and battered black pudding. If you’ve somehow missed it, the flickering corridors of YouTube, or in this case perhaps YoTube, are all a-glitter with positive footage of owners extolling the virtues of this fizzing and yet entirely practical 197hp 1,200kg Civic, described by many as the ultimate naturally aspirated hot hatch.

There is a catch to our Shed, of course. It’s been around the block a bit. This needn’t be a problem, Shed never fears high-mile cars. Indeed, he often prefers them as they take away some of the fear of the unknown. What better used car can there be than one on which some other poor sap has spent a fortune?


The question is, how much Type R fun can be provided by a near-17-year-old example with 176,000 miles up, not just now but ‘going forward’, as clever people like to say? Some answers to the first question will be found in the car’s maintenance schedule, which we don’t have, but the MOT history does give us a few clues.

Before we get into that MOT record, the 73,000 miles racked up in the course of the current owner’s five-year stewardship show that he has not been holding back on his use and (you would think) enjoyment of the Honda. That’s good news for any well-engineered performance car which, like a finely-honed racehorse or whippet, will always benefit from regular exercise.

Zoning in on the MOT history, some might see last year’s advisories on all four tyres (with edge wear) as a badge of honour, assuming those edge wear issues weren’t down to dodgy wheel alignment. Looking at the scanty pic gallery now, at least one of the tyres looks to have decent meat on it, which might mean that all of them have been replaced since last summer.


Over the last seven or eight years and 80,000 miles or so, plenty of suspension work has been done. Other stuff has been going on too, most notably some sill corrosion at 120k miles which brought about a test failure in 2016. Obviously that was put right, and so shouldn't be anything to worry about in the immediate future. Damaged petrol tank straps also came up as an advisory at that time, but haven’t since. In 2017 a corroded front wishbone was repaired by welding, leading the tester to quietly suggest that a replacement arm might be better.

So, what might the future hold for the next owner? Continuing Type R pleasure will depend on how diligent they are on maintenance. The good news is that, in general, the EP3 is very reliable. It’s simple to work on and there are no major parts shortages. The engine is remarkably strong considering its greed for revs. A suspicion of metallic tinkliness from the top end is probably just the valves telling you that their clearances need adjusting, which is no biggie.

The cams are chain driven, and it’s a Type R trope that the chains and/or tensioners can go west at the drop of a hat, but that hat-drop could be at 150,000 miles or half that amount. Nobody really knows why. If there’s no evidence of this car having had its chains and associated parts renewed for a long time, you’d be well advised to throw some money into that – around £650 at Honda prices. 


As you might expect, given the nature of the car, the gearshift takes a beating. A worn one will crunch going into second, especially when the car is cold. This being a pre-2003 facelift car, the steering may creak a little and not be all that good at self-centering. If it hasn’t already been mended under warranty, your best plan is to replace a creaky rack with an improved one from a facelifter.

Interior build quality went down a bit on 2000-on Hondas, but it’s not that hard to convince yourself that the lightweight cabin materials are all part of the CTR’s sporting proposition. The absence here of a front seat image is disappointing, and you’d want to satisfy yourself that our Shed hasn’t had a shunt at some point in its career. But the overall picture conjured up is of a car that, while not run on a ‘no expense spared’ basis, has at least been kept on the road in every sense, a measure of the high esteem in which these cars are rightly held.

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Dafuq

Original Poster:

371 posts

170 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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My word....., so much V-tec

Shedtastic

Arsecati

2,309 posts

117 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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WHY DO I LIVE IN DUBLIN????? I'd be on this in a flash - 176k miles is nothing so long as maintenance kept up. Top, top shed!

Nigel_O

2,889 posts

219 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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If an owner (or his garage?) was prepared to weld a rusty wishbone to get it through an MOT, I’d be looking hard for other cost-saving bodges

For example, I’d want to know what brake pads were in it - cheap pads can fade easily or simply just be a bit crap. Ditch-finder tyres possibly? Cheap consumables?

Many things could mean that this is a money-pit, but of course there could easily be a genuine explanation (MOT needed in a hurry and no wishbones available from motor factors?)

J4CKO

41,558 posts

200 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Yeah, I am not sure I would be happy with wishbones welded to get them through an mot, may well be fine and stronger than original but alarm bells are ringing.

It’s cheap for what it is but think it may need a few quid spending, might be better to find a nice one and pay the going rate

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Some people are missing the point of SOTW: it's about running a car outside your pay grade, not finding an immaculate specimen for peanuts.

If that's what you want you need to spend more.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Arsecati said:
WHY DO I LIVE IN DUBLIN????? I'd be on this in a flash - 176k miles is nothing so long as maintenance kept up. Top, top shed!
There's a fairly good ferry service running from Dublin to the UK, make the most of it before 12th April!

dandare

957 posts

254 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Mrs Shed's signature dish actually sounds delicious.

A nice, fun shed if it's all working. Potentially a good find.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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We picked one up last year. Great but...lots of welding to sills. 3/4 of the length of the sill was made of rust. Lots of bushes needed. Other than that...seems ok. I'm sort of hoping the prices are stable and/or climbing. Not that that will cover the cost of maintaining it. But it'd be nice...

Butter Face

30,299 posts

160 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Getting rarer and rarer every year now.

Not the nicest example but for shed money it would be a good bit of fun.

WigWonder79

24 posts

97 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Wow! My mate had one from new, so it's amazing to see these getting to SOTW pricing now.

Agree that this would need careful looking at. Very tempted to check the classifieds to see what you could get if you spend a bit more.


Haltamer

2,455 posts

80 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Nigel_O said:
Ditch-finder tyres possibly?
Sailun Atrezzo's says my sidewall x-ray vision (Can be read on front-left iso picture)

That being said, for 1.5K, If it was feasibly insurable I'd take it just to rag it around. Tip-type-R tongue out

A Polish the headlights, get some wax on it - It'd look the part; Bit of driveway spannering to sort out the suspension, with the option of replacing with some nice after market bits.

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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They won't be this cheap for too long is my guess.

Cambs_Stuart

2,868 posts

84 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Great shed. Another fantastic find. Good purchase price and probably some good dirty, oily fun to be had tinkering.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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CDP said:
They won't be this cheap for too long is my guess.
What examples of near on 200k no service history ?

Arsecati

2,309 posts

117 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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sgtBerbatov said:
There's a fairly good ferry service running from Dublin to the UK, make the most of it before 12th April!
Haha!!! It's a well trodden path by this stage, trust me!! Haha!! But a purchase like this would be a pure impulse 'for the sheer hell of it' buy, where you'd just head up there, buy it and drive it home before sanity and/or common sense set in. However, being over here, I'd actually have to fly over there, seek some sort of transport (public?????) to the buyer, and THEN make the drive back to Holyhead and cough up for a ferry........ I'm afraid common sense would have seeped in to my noggin' long before I had even hit the Ryanair check in!!! Hahaha!!!

J4CKO

41,558 posts

200 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Turbobanana said:
Some people are missing the point of SOTW: it's about running a car outside your pay grade, not finding an immaculate specimen for peanuts.

If that's what you want you need to spend more.
Its still above your pay grade if you pay £1500 then have to pull it to bits and spend a load more on it.

Can get the wishbones for £70 each, wouldnt be happy driving round on ones that had been welded unless I was happy with the work,.

And its got crap Chinese tyres on it, so probably £350 required for a set to make it handle anywhere like it should.

A grand set aside and some hands on would probably have it whipped into shape.

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Arsecati said:
Haha!!! Haha!! Hahaha!!!
Are you a pirate?

Butter Face

30,299 posts

160 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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J4CKO said:
Its still above your pay grade if you pay £1500 then have to pull it to bits and spend a load more on it.

Can get the wishbones for £70 each, wouldnt be happy driving round on ones that had been welded unless I was happy with the work,.

And its got crap Chinese tyres on it, so probably £350 required for a set to make it handle anywhere like it should.

A grand set aside and some hands on would probably have it whipped into shape.
And really, adjust camber arms/bolts, lowering springs, FRSU, new bushes etc etc etc wink

pSyCoSiS

3,594 posts

205 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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Despite needing a few bits doing, still represents good value for money.

These will no doubt be sought after classics in years to come, especially ones that are totally original.

I'm tempted, even thought hot hatches aren't really my thing.

Another excellent SOTW, which is on form this year!

WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Friday 29th March 2019
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great shed!
would probably strip it and do a few other bits
the only thing I don't like about ep3 ctr's is that they have among the worst steering feel of any car I've ever driven