RE: Honda S2000: Spotted

RE: Honda S2000: Spotted

Tuesday 16th April 2019

Honda S2000: Spotted

Need some wheels for the four-day weekend?



The Honda S2000 has aged remarkably well, don't you think? If it were launched today, it'd need little more than a pair of day running lights and an infotainment screen to look cutting edge. Of course, the youthful look contrasts somewhat with the traditional hardware tucked underneath, given the high-revving naturally-aspirated four-pot engine and manual gearbox that typified Honda's glory days.

When it first launched back in 1999 the world was given an attainable sports that could spin its 2.0-litre engine's internals all the way to a rather exotic 9,000rpm. Oh how joyful that trait was. But it came with drawbacks, because without the assistance of a blower or hybrid gubbins like today's sporty stuff, the S2000 had to labour through a lacklustre bottom and mid-range, making its driver wait for a peak of just 153lb ft at 7,500rpm and 243hp 800 revs after that.


Honda's ying was the performance kick delivered by the longitudinally-mounted four as it entered its famed VTEC (y0) zone from 6,000rpm; the yang was living with the car day-to-day, as it didn't provide the muscular mid-range performance some might have expected from a two-door drop-top. It wasn't for everyone, then, but for those who loved its peaky performance, the S2000 followed the Civic Type R into Honda's hall of legends for its powertrain alone.

In the right circumstance, it was an excellent handling machine as well. Since the car was conceived from the off as a convertible, its internals were packaged neatly around its rigid X-bone-based monocoque structure to give it a 50:50 weight distribution and 1,260kg kerbweight - with the former helped by the motor's far back placement under the bonnet, which made it a front-mid-engined machine. It also meant that the S2000 offered more exciting performance than the less powerful Mazda MX-5 and MG F of the day, so long as you loved the thrill of a very mobile chassis.


The power delivery of the S2000 could made it spikey if you got greedy on the throttle with some steering lock on, so it demanded respect, especially in slippery conditions. But when you did nail a corner, the experience was exceptionally satisfying. Anyway, later versions were dialled back so they exhibited a more trustworthy nature, plus, the engine's top-end character was also reduced so power came in more smoothly. You could say this all helped the S2000 grow into its skin.

Today's Spotted is a 2007 car, so gets all of those changes, but its previous owner has upgraded both engine and chassis to provide it with even more focus. The 75k-old car now has a carbon fibre air box, which should give the already vocal 2.0-litre a glorious induction growl under load. And it rides on Ohlins DFV coilover suspension, which is high quality kit, with Mugen bushes and matching geometry, so the car ought to provide enhanced S2000 dynamics and responses. It also suggests the previous custodian really knew their stuff, which bodes well for the condition of the rest of the car. So while this £10,250 example is far from the cheapest, it stands strong as one of the finest we've seen.



SPECIFICATIONS - HONDA S2000

Engine: 1,997cc, 4-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 243@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 163@6,500rpm
MPG: 28.3
CO2: 236g/km
First registered: 2007
Recorded mileage: 75,000
Price New: £25,995
Yours for: £10,250

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tim-jxv5n

Original Poster:

238 posts

96 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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I viewed this exact car last weekend. Ended up putting a deposit down on a standard 2005 car in the end for 2 reasons; cheaper tax bracket and modified examples nearly always have a harder life

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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I've never understood the bullst about the F20 lacking torque - the 2019 Mazda MX-5 2 litre is almost identical torque to this. The 944's 2.7 made less torque than this, despite having Porsche's nouse and no real emissions restrictions.

Find me an N/A 2.0 four that has significantly more.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 16th April 11:50

Panayiotis

503 posts

209 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Ran one for 3 years as a daily driver, once you learn the car you don't feel the lack of torque off the line. Fantastic fun and bulletproof.

snorkel sucker

2,662 posts

203 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Love these.

I had one for a while back in 2006. It was an early, 1999 car. Coming from a Civic Type R I recall being totally underwhelmed at first, thinking that an extra 40bhp was somehow going to make a huge difference. It was loud, cramped and unrefined on the trip back home. I remember thinking I'd made a big mistake.

But it wasn't long before I fell for its amazing engine and knife edge handling. Roof down, balmy summer night, LCD rev counter creeping past 6k, 7k, 8k. Wow.

I will have another one day as it's a car that will never look old and will always have its engine to mark it out as something truly special.

Still can't believe it was 13 years ago. Oh to be 24 again!

Baked_bean

1,908 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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I purchased one of these a year ago and love it on the whole, it’s only used as a weekends and summer drives car and is a great drive...the only modification I have done is also an induction kit to bring out the character of the engine.

I wouldn’t recommend one as an everyday car though as I find it hard work when not in the mood compared to a modern FI car and the revs sit at roughly 4K on a dual carriage way at ~70 which feels wearing at times!

3yardy3

270 posts

114 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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" the S2000 had to labour through a lacklustre bottom and mid-range, making its driver wait for a peak of just 153lb ft at 7,500rpm and 243hp 800 revs after that." This always annoys me change your driving style and enjoy it. stop being lazy and expecting instant power like these latest hot hatches. "yes i own a modern hot hatch..."

mmcd87

626 posts

203 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Krikkit said:
I've never understood the bullst about the F20 lacking torque - the 2019 Mazda MX-5 2 litre is almost identical torque to this. The 944's 2.7 made less torque than this, despite having Porsche's nouse and no real emissions restrictions.

Find me an N/A 2.0 four that has significantly more.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 16th April 11:50
Your point is fair. I think it is perhaps considered lacking in that people expect more for the hp it produces. For example doesn't feel 'much' quicker than standard 2.0L Type R engine. Obviously there is a reason for that.

steveb8189

473 posts

191 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Had one. Loved it. Reversed it into the hard shoulder at 70mph...

grudas

1,308 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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love mine to bits!



they're epic cars, need to be driven differently compared to lazy big engine german rivals but that's where the fun is at! tickling that 9k rpm redline with it screaming it's face off and that amazing gearbox..

oh boi! it makes me happy just thinking about it smile no regrets getting mine! puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.


JohnG1

3,471 posts

205 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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My first car after passing my driving test was an S2000 GT. Nurburgring blue.

Lovely car, but very, very twitchy. Cold tyres and anything other than stroking the throttle and it could go wrong.

Wasn't just my inexperience, everyone I ever met who had an S2000 had an "off" , some worse than others.

But that engine and gearbox - heartbreaking work of staggering genius.

Durzel

12,264 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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You had to cut a hole in the bonnet to fit that carbon fibre airbox, if it's the same one I had. It was basically the only way to fit something that would actually get cold air in.

Remember spending an entire day with a friend with a Dremel doing it, going through several discs in the process.

Lovely car, a real Knightrider-esque speedo at the time, and a gloriously chunky gear change. Not particularly fast though, and with an airbox it made a hell of a lot more noise than was translated to actual movement, as is de rigueur. Whilst wringing its neck up to 9k RPM was fun at the time, now I think I'd find it annoying. That probably says more about me than the car though.

OEM Bridgestones were widow makers. You could easily drift it around a mini roundabout in them in just a light drizzle.

tim-jxv5n

Original Poster:

238 posts

96 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Baked_bean said:
I purchased one of these a year ago and love it on the whole, it’s only used as a weekends and summer drives car and is a great drive...the only modification I have done is also an induction kit to bring out the character of the engine.

I wouldn’t recommend one as an everyday car though as I find it hard work when not in the mood compared to a modern FI car and the revs sit at roughly 4K on a dual carriage way at ~70 which feels wearing at times!
Exactly what I've done. Was toying with getting a TTRS convertible and getting rid of my daily scirocco TDI, but then I realised i'd just be bored with the TTRS and wincing everytime I put fuel in it.

For the price of 1 TTRS I get 2 cars.

I can't wait, pick mine up next week as its in the garage now getting a service and alloy wheel refurb. Ideally I wanted it for this weekend but no point rushing, I'll be keeping it for a long time!!

LG9k

443 posts

222 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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JohnG1 said:
My first car after passing my driving test was an S2000 GT. Nurburgring blue.

Lovely car, but very, very twitchy. Cold tyres and anything other than stroking the throttle and it could go wrong.

Wasn't just my inexperience, everyone I ever met who had an S2000 had an "off" , some worse than others.

But that engine and gearbox - heartbreaking work of staggering genius.
On to my second one now (the first one's engine expired on the Kemmel straight at 144,000 miles), but haven't had on off in either of them over 15 years of ownership.

The lack or torque argument is false, the car has shorter gearing than most others, so for any given road speed, you're always at higher rpms.

The car is quite happy in 5th gear at 30mph, or 6th at 40mph. By way of comparison, my Golf GTi DSG (230PS, 258lbft) uses 4th at 30mph and 5th at 40mpg. I realise tis is probably to save fuel etc and it could manage, but it's an interesting comparison, I think.

Oh, and the UK cars have 237 bhp, not 243 as per the article.

Here's me giving it a dab of oppo (at North Weald)


Edited by LG9k on Tuesday 16th April 13:01

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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These are great looking cars, apart from the "futuristic" dash!

DanL

6,211 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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JohnG1 said:
My first car after passing my driving test was an S2000 GT. Nurburgring blue.

Lovely car, but very, very twitchy. Cold tyres and anything other than stroking the throttle and it could go wrong.

Wasn't just my inexperience, everyone I ever met who had an S2000 had an "off" , some worse than others.

But that engine and gearbox - heartbreaking work of staggering genius.
Bah - I had one for four years and never had a moment. I’m far from a driving god, so perhaps the argument is that I never pushed it hard enough. biggrin Just needed the tyres to be kept on top of - low tread depth in the wet would be a mistake...

Mine was a 2003 in the light silver / blue and was awesome. When you went past someone at 8k+ revs, they knew they’d been overtaken. wink


Fastchas

2,645 posts

121 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Is it me or does a purchase new price of £26k seem rather cheap albeit 11-12 years ago...?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Fastchas said:
Is it me or does a purchase new price of £26k seem rather cheap albeit 11-12 years ago...?
I dont know. How much were other 2 seaters at the time?

Simon Owen

805 posts

134 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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mmcd87 said:
Krikkit said:
I've never understood the bullst about the F20 lacking torque - the 2019 Mazda MX-5 2 litre is almost identical torque to this. The 944's 2.7 made less torque than this, despite having Porsche's nouse and no real emissions restrictions.

Find me an N/A 2.0 four that has significantly more.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 16th April 11:50
Your point is fair. I think it is perhaps considered lacking in that people expect more for the hp it produces. For example doesn't feel 'much' quicker than standard 2.0L Type R engine. Obviously there is a reason for that.
Need to factor in where it is delivered not just the number, cant recall the exact figures but peak torque in the Honda is much higher in the rev range than the Mazda, circa 7,500 vs 4,000 I think. Factor in that the Mazda is 200kg lighter and this would result in a noticeable difference in grunt if driven back to back.

The Skyactive engine in the Mazda is actually quite clever in torque delivery ..... for a NA 4 pot. And provides the likes of BBR with a good canvas to work with removing some of the emissions strangulation, for example their full fat 2.0L kit develops 182lb at 3,800rpm which is pretty impressive in my experience of NA engines of this size.

mrbarnett

1,091 posts

93 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Krikkit said:
I've never understood the bullst about the F20 lacking torque - the 2019 Mazda MX-5 2 litre is almost identical torque to this. The 944's 2.7 made less torque than this, despite having Porsche's nouse and no real emissions restrictions.

Find me an N/A 2.0 four that has significantly more.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 16th April 11:50
Isn't the issue more that these were up against a higher capacity 6 cylinder competition with similar HP? From an engineering perspective, that makes the Honda a deeply impressive machine, but out on the open road the ~33% deficit in capacity meant a ~33% deficit in torque.

If the S2000 had somehow been priced to compete directly with the MX5 and MG TF, then there'd be no question of its torque output, but it was up against the Z4 3.0, TT V6, Crossfire 3.2, 350Z, and Boxster 2.7; all of which produced more peak torque and at lower rpm.

Edited by mrbarnett on Tuesday 16th April 13:24

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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DoubleD said:
Fastchas said:
Is it me or does a purchase new price of £26k seem rather cheap albeit 11-12 years ago...?
I dont know. How much were other 2 seaters at the time?
Inflation would make £26k in 1999 around £44k today. Substantially cheaper than the 2019 Supra at £52k+ smile

I seen a yellow S2000 with its roof down the other day and it looked fabulous. I can see these becoming desirable in the very near future with the prices reflecting the same:-