RE: BMW X7 M50d: PH Trade-Off!

RE: BMW X7 M50d: PH Trade-Off!

Monday 22nd April 2019

BMW X7 M50d: PH Trade-Off!

Not even the quickest X7 could escape the opprobrium of the forums - so what can we find for half the cost?



It's fair to say that the BMW X7 didn't exactly land on the PH front page to a rapturous welcome last weekend. To be fair, the deck was stacked against it from the moment it was revealed in concept form last year, when that almost offensively large grille, oddly narrow headlights and slab-sided stance were made public for the first time.

On paper, however, the specification of the M50d version we tested might well have tipped the balance in its favour. 400hp, 560lb ft and a 0-62mph of 5.4 seconds lift it into the realms of some of the fastest SUVs out there. And while in the flesh the X7 is hardly an involving or exciting thing to drive, as Sam put it: "When it comes to plush, spacious machines in which to shrink journeys with as few fuel stops as possible, the top X7 certainly offers a lot. And if you're behind the wheel, at least you might be able to forget about those kidney grilles."

Good point. But what if you could forget about them altogether by choosing something else? Something that offers as much space, comfort and outright pace - but for half the price? Well, that sounds like a challenge for Trade-Off - so, armed with our half-price budget of £42607.50 (the extra 50 pence bound to prove decisive, of course), let's have a traipse through the classifieds.


Our first port of call is the Audi Q7, or more specifically, the SQ7. Except... well, it isn't, because even the cheapest, highest-mileage SQ7s don't stretch down below £60,000 at the moment, putting them well outside of our budget. How about a standard Q7 like this 272 S Line instead, then? These Q7s are terrific machines if a seven-seat SUV is what you're after, with a decent amount of room in the rearmost seats and loads more in the front five, as well as crisp, if not involving, handling that's the equal of the X7's.

The downside, of course, is that this 272hp Q7 is no match for the X7 in a straight line. That said, thanks to its 300-ish kg weight advantage, it isn't far off, hitting 62mph only a second later. Throw in the smart interior, comfortable ride and notably better fuel economy, and this looks like a tempting alternative.

What if you'd rather do without diesel, though? Well, in that case there's only one way to go, and it's got a Range Rover badge. This 2014 Sport with its supercharged V8 ought to do the trick. It has the M50d licked on pace, and will of course sound a whole heap more appealing, too. Of course, it's suitably opulent inside, and looks rather classier than the X7.


Trouble is, naturally, while it can match the X7 on pace, it can't on fuel efficiency, its 22mpg combined figure enough to induce a wince in even the most profligate enthusiast. Perhaps you could justify that in light of the saving on the initial purchase price? Mind you, even then the Rangie can't match the X7's seven seats - making it a less than ideal alternative.

On the other hand, this Volvo XC90 T8 would seem to do the job very nicely. For starters, you get a full complement of seven seats. Granted, the rearmost seats in the XC90 aren't quite as spacious as those in the X7, but they're still more roomy than most.

Then there's the performance. Thanks to a fairly hefty boost from its electric motor, the T8 will scoot to 62mph in the same sort of time that the M50d will. What's more, the 2.0-litre petrol engine means if you're not sold on the idea of buying diesel right at the moment, you don't have to.


And as an added bonus, you won't just save money buying this XC90; you'll save money running it, too; because it's a plug-in hybrid, you can charge it up and run it on electric power for short journeys.

The catch? Well there is one, of course, and it's that this particular XC90 is a touch on the leggy side. Despite being only three years old, it's covered almost 50,000 miles, so it's hardly a new car. But it does come with a full history to back up that mileage, and with that in mind, that shouldn't be a barrier to reliability.

Besides, think of the money you'd save. Surely enough to counter any niggling issues that might arise from the XC90's age and prior use. And if that's not enough to convince you, just think: you wouldn't have to live with those grilles, either.


SPECIFICATION - BMW X7 M50D

Engine: 2,993cc, straight-six diesel turbo
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 400@4,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 560@1,200-3,000rpm
0-62mph: 5.4 seconds
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 2,460kg
MPG: 31 (WLTP Combined)
CO2: 185g/km
Price: £85,215

SPECIFICATION - VOLVO XC90 T8 R DESIGN

Engine: 1,969cc, four-cylinder petrol hybrid
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 320@5,700rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,200-5,400rpm
0-62mph: 5.3 seconds
Top speed: 140mph
Weight: 2,296kg
MPG: 134.5 (NEDC Combined)
CO2: 49g/km
Price: £41,450

 

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samoht

Original Poster:

5,713 posts

146 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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The Volvo is a very sensible choice, much better looking.

However, for a direct alternative to the X7 I would gravitate to the Audi corner, and the first-gen Q7 V12 with its ludicrous 737 lb ft of torque

https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features-h...


The chance to own the only V12 diesel engined car ever made (and likely the only one that will ever be made), for half the price of that ugly X7, is surely irresistible?

Hairymonster

1,428 posts

105 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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Maserati Levante?

Porsche Cayenne?

Refuse Lorry?

I 8 a 4RE

344 posts

241 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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0-60 is obviously irrelevant in a car like this.

Take the 2 litre engine on a motorway journey and enjoy a lot of engine noise whilst you struggle to overtake a coach!

bluesierra

146 posts

96 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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Tbf the X7 even looks pretty much like an XC90 - or perhaps an XC90/ GL cross, with huge nostrils.

Rob H 666

4 posts

71 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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I agree with Hairy Monster on the comments about the audi, which like all big vans of this type is not a car but a large van, or in this case a small lorry only suitable for frustrated HGV drivers. Who in their right mind buys a diesel vehicle these days anyway?
If you require this sort of vehicle for taking rubbish to the tip the Volvo would appear to be the only sensible choice.


Lozw86

874 posts

132 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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I 8 a 4RE said:
0-60 is obviously irrelevant in a car like this.

How is it more or less relevant than for any other car?

If someone is buying an SUV with a high’ish power output engine (as opposed to entry level engine) I imagine acceleration is a consideration

irish boy

3,535 posts

236 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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I 8 a 4RE said:
0-60 is obviously irrelevant in a car like this.

Take the 2 litre engine on a motorway journey and enjoy a lot of engine noise whilst you struggle to overtake a coach!
Not sure if you are referring to the 2.0 in the Volvo, but having driven one I can assure you it is not noisy at motorway speeds, nor will it struggle to overtake a coach.

The Li-ion King

3,766 posts

64 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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X7 is just too big. I had an X5 which was a nightmare in multi storey car parks due to its size... a full 7 seater is nice, but the Q7 is the smartest option for me. Currently in a 7 seat Xtrail which is a squeeze to get everyone in, even the kids hate the lack of legroom in the back two seats. When a 3 year old complains about space, there's an issue. Next car needs to be a real 7 seater... would have to be Euro6 for London, which rules out the old shape.

Can't get used to the X7 grille... looks like a 6 year old who's adult front teeth arrived a little too early wobble

loveice

649 posts

247 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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In Europe people seem to find it hard to understand the market position of X7. In the UK there’s only one model that’s in the same market as X7 that’s the Mercedes GLS. Well, we use to have Nissan Patrol and proper Toyota Land Cruiser (Amazon V8), they also belonged to the same segment, ie. full size three-row SUV. All car manufactures fully understand consumers in the UK mostly don’t care or understand this type of cars. That’s why there’re only two models on the market for us. So, if you have to put Q7 or XC90 in the same segment as X7 when considering your next large three-row SUV, that’s fine. It’s your choice. But, in terms of their market position/segment, they’re different. Q7 and XC90 are in theory equal to seven-seat X5.

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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loveice said:
In Europe people seem to find it hard to understand the market position of X7. In the UK there’s only one model that’s in the same market as X7 that’s the Mercedes GLS. Well, we use to have Nissan Patrol and proper Toyota Land Cruiser (Amazon V8), they also belonged to the same segment, ie. full size three-row SUV. All car manufactures fully understand consumers in the UK mostly don’t care or understand this type of cars. That’s why there’re only two models on the market for us. So, if you have to put Q7 or XC90 in the same segment as X7 when considering your next large three-row SUV, that’s fine. It’s your choice. But, in terms of their market position/segment, they’re different. Q7 and XC90 are in theory equal to seven-seat X5.
Exactly.

Once you dig through the standard anti-SUV tripe, and accept some people do just like/want/need a big vehicle, the GLS is the only current option. It is one of, if not the most popular vehicle outside my daughter's school (the Benteyga and Model X might be the only ones to rival it in sheer numbers) and is a perfect work-horse for larger families - plenty at school at 3, 4 or even 5 kids.

Having driven this, and the GLS, the BMW is in a league of its own. It's a fabulous place to be, the GLS will need to take a leap forward at next revision to catch-up.

If you don't need the seating/luggage space, then the FFRR will always take some beating, but X7 has a strong relevance, albeit in a fairly small and niche market......but then it isn't really designed with the UK, or even Europe in mind.

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Something better off road than the BMW pretend SUV with a silly engine and/or something better on road for £40,000???

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Capable of going off road. Ideal for the school run while the Torys are in. LPG so more economical as the M50d

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

My "go to" car here would be the 159 3.2 Q4 Sportwagon but that lovely example of a 156 GTA would be quicker, faster, better looking, better built, cheaper to service/maintain, handle better, qualify for classic insurance, be a lot more economical than the M50 and has finished depreciating so look after it and you won't lose £50,000 in two/three years. Best of all unlike the M50 you can drive the 156 GTA and people won't think you have an incredibly small penis on your forehead.

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Liquid Knight said:
Something better off road than the BMW pretend SUV with a silly engine and/or something better on road for £40,000???

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Capable of going off road. Ideal for the school run while the Torys are in. LPG so more economical as the M50d

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

My "go to" car here would be the 159 3.2 Q4 Sportwagon but that lovely example of a 156 GTA would be quicker, faster, better looking, better built, cheaper to service/maintain, handle better, qualify for classic insurance, be a lot more economical than the M50 and has finished depreciating so look after it and you won't lose £50,000 in two/three years. Best of all unlike the M50 you can drive the 156 GTA and people won't think you have an incredibly small penis on your forehead.
Thats idea for carrying 7 people rolleyes

And an X7's ability to go off road is as relevant as its ability to caking a tree or transverse a Scottish loch.

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Ares said:
Liquid Knight said:
Something better off road than the BMW pretend SUV with a silly engine and/or something better on road for £40,000???

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Capable of going off road. Ideal for the school run while the Torys are in. LPG so more economical as the M50d

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

My "go to" car here would be the 159 3.2 Q4 Sportwagon but that lovely example of a 156 GTA would be quicker, faster, better looking, better built, cheaper to service/maintain, handle better, qualify for classic insurance, be a lot more economical than the M50 and has finished depreciating so look after it and you won't lose £50,000 in two/three years. Best of all unlike the M50 you can drive the 156 GTA and people won't think you have an incredibly small penis on your forehead.
Thats idea for carrying 7 people rolleyes

And an X7's ability to go off road is as relevant as its ability to caking a tree or transverse a Scottish loch.
As if anyone who needs a seven seater would buy an X7 M50 silly

So a seven seater that can be bought for less than the £23,000 I have left over...

scratchchin

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Boom! Takes up less parking space as the X7 as well as having eight seats. bow

Bencolem

1,017 posts

239 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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XC90 is an X5 competitor, not an X7 competitor. Only real option would be this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Liquid Knight said:
Ares said:
Liquid Knight said:
Something better off road than the BMW pretend SUV with a silly engine and/or something better on road for £40,000???

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Capable of going off road. Ideal for the school run while the Torys are in. LPG so more economical as the M50d

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

My "go to" car here would be the 159 3.2 Q4 Sportwagon but that lovely example of a 156 GTA would be quicker, faster, better looking, better built, cheaper to service/maintain, handle better, qualify for classic insurance, be a lot more economical than the M50 and has finished depreciating so look after it and you won't lose £50,000 in two/three years. Best of all unlike the M50 you can drive the 156 GTA and people won't think you have an incredibly small penis on your forehead.
Thats idea for carrying 7 people rolleyes

And an X7's ability to go off road is as relevant as its ability to caking a tree or transverse a Scottish loch.
As if anyone who needs a seven seater would buy an X7 M50 silly
Most people I know with a GLS are carrying 5+ people. Why would the X7 be different?

Liquid Knight said:
So a seven seater that can be bought for less than the £23,000 I have left over...

scratchchin

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Boom! Takes up less parking space as the X7 as well as having eight seats. bow
And you were calling others silly laughrolleyes

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Bencolem said:
XC90 is an X5 competitor, not an X7 competitor. Only real option would be this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
So the only competition in the market (outside the US) is a Mercedes....and people can't see why Mercedes' biggest competitor have launched it....?

PHMatt

608 posts

148 months

Friday 26th April 2019
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The X7 is better looking/nowhere near as offensive in the flesh. Like pretty much all BMW's bar the i3


Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Friday 26th April 2019
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No consideration at all for a Discovery, which also has 7 seats?

loveice

649 posts

247 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Shakermaker said:
No consideration at all for a Discovery, which also has 7 seats?
Again, Disco is in the same segment as XC90/X5/Q7, not X7 or GLS. Not all 7 seater SUVs are in the same segment, just as not all 5 seater saloons are in the same segment. Never mind how good overall a 5 series is, it isn’t in the same segment as an S-Class.

Btw, all new GLS has been launched in the US. It retains the overall dimensions of the current one, but with more space inside than the new X7. Plus, it also has a low range transfer box standard on the V8 models (an option on V6s).

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

183 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Also the Tata Discovery is nowhere near the Land Rover Discovery. Why do you think the F-Pace is so popular?