RE: Ferrari to stop supplying Maserati with engines

RE: Ferrari to stop supplying Maserati with engines

Friday 10th May

Ferrari to stop supplying Maserati with engines

Longstanding contract between former FCA brands will end in 2021 or 2022



Maserati will no longer receive engines from Ferrari at the start of the next decade because the firm will not renew its current contract. In a phone call to investors, Ferrari CEO Louis Camilleri revealed that the current deal ends in 2021, after which former FCA sibling and struggling luxury Italian car maker Maserati is planning on going its own way. This leaves the future of models like the Levante Trofeo in question, as they make use of a Maranello-built V8.

β€œEventually, we will no longer supply engines to Maserati, which actually from our perspective is a good thing, both from a margin perspective, but also the fact that we can transfer a lot of the labour that’s been focussed on the engines to the car side of the business,” said Camilleri when asked if Maserati’s decreasing sales would encourage a contract cancellation.


Presently, Ferrari provides Maserati with its 3.0-litre twin-turbo V6, 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 and older 4.7-litre atmospheric V8, which lives in the very long-toothed GranTurismo – emphasising just how substantial an effect the end of this relationship will have on the line-up. Of course, by then the GranTurismo will be gone (although we’ve been saying that for a few years now) and the all-new Alfieri should have arrived to fill the void, along with electrified versions of the whole line-up.

Either way, Ferrari seems quite happy to go its own way – its workforce freed to focus on Prancing Horse-badged cars. The end of Maserati’s contract does, rather conveniently, coincide with the expected launch date of Ferrari’s first SUV, after all.


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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

1,286 posts

42 months

Friday 10th May
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The Alfa Quadrifoglio engine ain’t half bad as a potential replacement, hope Alfa wants to play. The V8’s will be sorely missed though.

chickensoup

421 posts

200 months

Friday 10th May
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loss of big petrol engines in 3 years time will not be an issue

Funkstar De Luxe

402 posts

128 months

Friday 10th May
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Oof. And the one remaining reason to buy a Maserati vanishes. No longer the poor man’s Ferrari, they are the idiots Alfa Romeo.

PRND

1,694 posts

43 months

Friday 10th May
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Does this mean Maseratis with US shipped V6 Pentstars and HEMI V8s.

They'll have to buy in engines. Maserati have been struggling with Ferrari engines! I don't think designing a new engine from scratch is going to work long term from financial point of view.

I can see Maseratis becoming top-tier Alfa Romeos so a big saloon, SUV and sports car that share a lot with Alfas.

wab172uk

1,370 posts

172 months

Friday 10th May
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I'm sure this isn't a shock announcement to Maserati. They'll have know for some time, so are either planning on investing in a new engine plant, or seeking another engine supplier.

Maybe they'll do a McLaren. Design one engine and shove it in every car they make, with the only difference being a map to increase / decrease power output as required.

dme123

4,973 posts

134 months

Friday 10th May
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Funkstar De Luxe said:
Oof. And the one remaining reason to buy a Maserati vanishes. No longer the poor man’s Ferrari, they are the idiots Alfa Romeo.
hehe

alfaman

6,096 posts

179 months

Friday 10th May
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Funkstar De Luxe said:
Oof. And the one remaining reason to buy a Maserati vanishes. No longer the poor man’s Ferrari, they are the idiots Alfa Romeo.
Hilarious hehe

ducnick

939 posts

188 months

Friday 10th May
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Maybe the once great Maserati can go back to making engines. I tried a Ferrari engines Maserati and was not impressed with its motive force. The older biturbo v8’s from the De Tomaso era of ownership were more in keeping with what a Maserati should be.
If they do buy in, then they could do worse than deploy the hemi V8 Range.

SAS Tom

2,509 posts

119 months

Friday 10th May
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Are FCA doing well? It seems most of their ranges are well past their sell by date with one or two exceptions. I can’t see why anyone would buy a car from any of their brands.

dvs_dave

5,583 posts

170 months

Friday 10th May
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Not really a big deal, and poorly researched by PH. The V6’s are cast and machined (the expensive part) by Chrysler in the US anyway. It’s only the V8’s that truly come from Ferrari, and practically only a handful of them actually roll out of the Maserati factory these days.

C.MW

163 posts

14 months

Saturday 11th May
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They'll thank god they may have HEMIs available to them and I actually think Ferrari engines don't suit them even in detuned form because their expertise is in making fierce, high-revving engines, not the ones befitting Maserati's luxury first and sporty second philosophy.

skyrover

12,224 posts

149 months

Saturday 11th May
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ducnick said:
Maybe the once great Maserati can go back to making engines. I tried a Ferrari engines Maserati and was not impressed with its motive force. The older biturbo v8’s from the De Tomaso era of ownership were more in keeping with what a Maserati should be.
If they do buy in, then they could do worse than deploy the hemi V8 Range.
Agreed., they need a new Chrysler powered Pantera.

It would still remain "in house"

craig_m67

508 posts

133 months

Saturday 11th May
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SAS Tom said:
Are FCA doing well? It seems most of their ranges are well past their sell by date with one or two exceptions. I can’t see why anyone would buy a car from any of their brands.
Really, unless Alfa is one of your exceptions?
(New V6, new 2L, the recent award winning multiair engines)

I’m not very well versed on the rest of the FCA product groups (I’m an Alfa fanboi) but don’t they all share tech like VW, etal?

dme123

4,973 posts

134 months

Saturday 11th May
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craig_m67 said:
Really, unless Alfa is one of your exceptions?
(New V6, new 2L, the recent award winning multiair engines)

I’m not very well versed on the rest of the FCA product groups (I’m an Alfa fanboi) but don’t they all share tech like VW, etal?
Also the ancient Giulietta. Unless FCA are spending the money for mid life cycle refreshes and new cars every 7-8 years then they'll just slip miles behind like usual.

FCA is a bit of a mess, it's more like an Italian BMC than an Italian VAG.

SAS Tom

2,509 posts

119 months

Saturday 11th May
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dme123 said:
craig_m67 said:
Really, unless Alfa is one of your exceptions?
(New V6, new 2L, the recent award winning multiair engines)

I’m not very well versed on the rest of the FCA product groups (I’m an Alfa fanboi) but don’t they all share tech like VW, etal?
Also the ancient Giulietta. Unless FCA are spending the money for mid life cycle refreshes and new cars every 7-8 years then they'll just slip miles behind like usual.

FCA is a bit of a mess, it's more like an Italian BMC than an Italian VAG.
Other than the Giulia and Stelvio there’s the Mito and Giulietta which have been round for ages.

Fiat are still selling the 500 which has been round for something like 12 years, they’ve only just stopped selling the punto which was around for ages too. The tipo is crap and those big versions of the 500 are all based on crap jeeps.

Maserati are still doing the gran turismo which has been around for probably more than 10 years now. The rest of the range is newer but doesn’t really get reviewed very well.

dme123

4,973 posts

134 months

Saturday 11th May
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SAS Tom said:
Other than the Giulia and Stelvio there’s the Mito and Giulietta which have been round for ages.

Fiat are still selling the 500 which has been round for something like 12 years, they’ve only just stopped selling the punto which was around for ages too. The tipo is crap and those big versions of the 500 are all based on crap jeeps.

Maserati are still doing the gran turismo which has been around for probably more than 10 years now. The rest of the range is newer but doesn’t really get reviewed very well.
They've canned the Mito now too, and the Guilietta can't be far behind. Don't forget the comprehensive Chrysler range of the crap second gen 300 and the Pacifica minivan; the crap Jeeps are the most desireable part of the FCA empire.

Italian Leyland indeed.

lotuslover69

126 posts

88 months

Saturday 11th May
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I thought Maserati and Ferrari were owned by the same company along with fiat and Alfa Romeo?

SydneySE

388 posts

205 months

Saturday 11th May
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lotuslover69 said:
I thought Maserati and Ferrari were owned by the same company along with fiat and Alfa Romeo?
They where, FCA spun of and floated Ferrari.

SydneySE

388 posts

205 months

Saturday 11th May
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ducnick said:
Maybe the once great Maserati can go back to making engines. I tried a Ferrari engines Maserati and was not impressed with its motive force. The older biturbo v8’s from the De Tomaso era of ownership were more in keeping with what a Maserati should be.
If they do buy in, then they could do worse than deploy the hemi V8 Range.
I bought a ferrari engined quattroporte.. and its sublime. Its become my favourite car for how sporting it is for a luxury saloon, and most importantly so enjoyable to drive compared to the german cars (all of which are either ugly, boring, or both in comparison).

NicoG

531 posts

153 months

Monday 13th May
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In what non-Maserati product(s) is the purportedly supplied Ferrari 3.0 TTV6 Found?
Alfas?