RE: Ferrari Challenge Stradale | Spotted

RE: Ferrari Challenge Stradale | Spotted

Thursday 30th May

Ferrari Challenge Stradale | Spotted

The new Stradale is upon us. Time to remind yourself why that name is so special



We last Spotted a Challenge Stradale in January 2016, "Ah well" I thought, "that's a bit too recent to write about again." But it turns out that nearly three and a half years have passed since then - and with Ferrari launching its latest Stradale today, what better time to take a look back at one of our favourite cars from its much vaunted back catalogue?

Forty months ago, then, it seems that prices were at a peak, with £140,000 being the entry point and the best examples residing north of the £330,000 mark. Granted that was for extremely low mileage, RHD drive cars, but today the most expensive Challenge in the classifieds is an 18,000-mile right-hand drive example for £183,850 - a relative steal.


That's not the car we've picked for you today, though. No, we've set our sights on something slightly more affordable and usable: this left-hand drive 2004 model with 28,000 miles on the clock. At £134,990 it's listed at almost exactly the same price as it would have been when new - ignoring inflation, of course - and looks to be in nearly as-new condition as well.

The Rosso Scuderia paint - complete with immediately recognisable racing stripe - looks to be immaculate, as do the BBS-made wheels. Inside you'll find a Tessuto Racing Interior in Nero/Rosso, carbon fibre racing seats with four-point harnesses and an integrated audio system, making longer journeys that bit more bearable.


And that's where the Strad really shines. Designed from the outset with an 80/20 road/track use split in mind, it is bestowed with the majority of the day-to-day usability of the standard 360, with just enough of a raw edge to make it a truly thrilling drive. In addition to the racy wheels and composite buckets, the more focussed machine came with standard Brembo carbon ceramic brakes borrowed from the Enzo, contributing 16kg to a total weight saving of up to 110kg versus that standard car.

So despite only benefiting from a relatively modest 20hp increase, its 3.6-litre V8 was still able to propel it from 0-62mph in just 4.1 seconds. Once there, it offers one of the great turn-of-the-millennium driving experiences. While the Challenge Stradale may not boast the outrageous performance of its modern namesake, then, or the manual transmission of its revered predecessors, it still deserves recognition for its natural aspiration, its 8,700rpm redline and its visceral, unabashed V8 scream. No matter where Ferrari performance goes from here it'll long remain one of its most special creations. Best jump back on the bandwagon, before prices begin to rise again.


SPECIFICATION - FERRARI 360 CHALLENGE STRADALE
Engine:
3,586cc V8
Transmission: 6-speed automated manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 425@8,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 275@4,750rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
First registered: 2004
Recorded mileage: 28,000
Price new: £133,025
Yours for: £134,990

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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

698 posts

39 months

Thursday 30th May
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That V8 scream is more than enough of an apology for this interior spec. Someone should go get this thing really.

Esceptico

1,708 posts

51 months

Thursday 30th May
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I bought one in 2012. From memory only had around 800 km on the clock despite being 10 years old. First owner had driven it to the dealer three or four times to have it serviced then driven it to another of his houses in Austria. It was transported back to the dealer I bought it from. At the time it was around £95k. I also looked at Scuds but thought that there wouldn't be another opportunity to own a CS with such low mileage. Loved the car. Three memories stick out. I took my daughter with me (on the bus) to the dealer to pick up the car. I drove slowly to warm up the oil. Then came to a tunnel. Surreptiously I lowered the windows and gave it full throttle. After a brief period for the revs to build there was an almighty shriek. She literally jumped in her seat and screamed "Daddy!" Second was meeting up with a group off PH to drive some mountain passes. Again, hearing the engine noise going up the passes was pretty special. We had great weather and no-one got caught. A good day. Last memory was taking a UK friend out for a drive (he was visting with wife and son). Unfortunately some way from home the car just died. Dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree. Had to recovered on a truck (still, he got the full Ferrari experience). Picture below was whilst we were waiting to be picked up. Annoyingly a Swiss guy drove past in his GT3 whilst we were waiting and gave me a very knowing smile, indicating that I should have stuck with Pork.

Unfortunately found out I was going to be made redundant so sold it for what I had bought it for at the end of the year. Seems like I could have brought back to the UK and it would have held its value at least. Hey ho.




Leins

6,696 posts

90 months

Thursday 30th May
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Strange as it may sound, the price seems something of a bargain to me, what with various used exotica (and non-exotica) becoming a lot more expensive in recent years. Still one of the finest sounding road cars I've experienced

So one of these and an accompanying 348GTC in the garage and then I'll be happy out!

2 GKC

502 posts

47 months

Thursday 30th May
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Leins said:
Strange as it may sound, the price seems something of a bargain to me, what with various used exotica (and non-exotica) becoming a lot more expensive in recent years. Still one of the finest sounding road cars I've experienced

So one of these and an accompanying 348GTC in the garage and then I'll be happy out!
Relatively high miles and a left hooker accounting for the price.

I was taken out in one of these once. The noise was something else, but didn't strike me a car designed 80% for road use

911Thrasher

2,470 posts

141 months

Thursday 30th May
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One of the most rewarding car i have ever experienced/owned (with the 997 GT3RS), except that nowadays the Stradale is pretty much banned from any trackdays (black flagged several times at Silverstone for reaching 120dB plus in the straights on stock exhaust).

Except for no noise restriction days and Spa which is super friendly I don't see many trackdays anymore.

Edited by 911Thrasher on Thursday 30th May 16:06

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thelostboy

3,321 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th May
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As much as I love the look and certainly appreciate the sound, it would come down to the gearbox for me.

Same reason I have not pulled the trigger on going back to an M3 CSL. Loved it at the time, but reckon it would feel rather dated now.

Also, as a weekend 'classic' car, I feel having a manual is even more important.

Leins

6,696 posts

90 months

Thursday 30th May
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thelostboy said:
As much as I love the look and certainly appreciate the sound, it would come down to the gearbox for me.

Same reason I have not pulled the trigger on going back to an M3 CSL. Loved it at the time, but reckon it would feel rather dated now.

Also, as a weekend 'classic' car, I feel having a manual is even more important.
I actually loved the gearbox in my CSL, even for road use. Funnily enough I never saw the 360CS come in for the same amount of flak over not having a standard manual box

Esceptico

1,708 posts

51 months

Thursday 30th May
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thelostboy said:
As much as I love the look and certainly appreciate the sound, it would come down to the gearbox for me.

Same reason I have not pulled the trigger on going back to an M3 CSL. Loved it at the time, but reckon it would feel rather dated now.

Also, as a weekend 'classic' car, I feel having a manual is even more important.
I generally prefer manuals. It certainly wasn't as smooth as modern double clutch boxes and demanded a bit of mechanical sympathy. However, it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the car.

WCZ

6,586 posts

136 months

Thursday 30th May
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Ferraris loudest road car! as said above they can't even be used on track anymore

LHD's have always been good value

big_rob_sydney

2,316 posts

136 months

Thursday 30th May
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Really love these.

When you consider what some other classic cars are doing price wise, I think they're a steal, and would have one in a heartbeat funds permitting. I genuinely think in the next 5 years, the prices of these will take off again.

996GT3_Matt

100 posts

146 months

Thursday 30th May
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I attended Le Mans classic last year, during which we spent a good few hours in the grand stand overlooking the Ford chicane.

We enjoyed some very special machinery wailing up to the Dunlop Bridge, but the 360 CS was possibly the best sounding of the lot!

The exhaust note justifies the price alone!


Julian Thompson

961 posts

180 months

Thursday 30th May
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Basically the rear box switches off with the valves so you effectively end up with straight pipes from the cats!

On my project 360/cs I’m using a challenge exhaust which offers lighter weight and still a (small) amount of silencing.

I’ve also modified the CS gearbox so it runs manually by taking the parts off my 360 manual gearbox and grafting them onto the CS box which runs slightly revised ratios compared to a normal 360.

Unfortunately I have to find some time to assemble everything but it’s good in principle and several people have done it before. Makes for a nice car.

snowsports1

1 posts

81 months

Thursday 30th May
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Or buy a 360 challenge race car, which left the Ferrari factory as a race car for half the price of this. Once people wake up to this the values will over take the road cars, look at 430 gt2 cars now which used to be £70k now £500k!!. Far more suitable for track days with a road car silencer fitted, also chances to race it in historic events if wish.

Julian Thompson

961 posts

180 months

Thursday 30th May
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Fair play to you but also the CS still has some stuff that the 360 challenge doesn’t. I agree the challenge has a few nice bits on it you can use on a 360 (simplified fuel vapour system, exhaust, vented hatch cover etc) but overall it’s a racer not a road car and as such there is a fair bit missing from it and a fair few things you can’t use such as the way the brake venting works - it would last five minutes on the road. The cabin ventilation is rudimentary and the gearbox warm up strategy via the rear mounted cooler rather than the liquid cooler on the road car isn’t ideal unless you fit it with thermostatic controls.

Honestly the challenge and CS are absolute chalk and cheese. Even the CS vs the Modena are chalk and cheese. I have a spreadsheet that I have made over many years that details almost every single part number differences between them and the list is incredible.

To assume that they are all very close would be to fail at the details.

Challenge 360 still mega, of course, but it’s unashamedly a racer.

Edited to add. Yep I’m a 360 bore. Sorry.

Carry on getmecoat

Edited by Julian Thompson on Thursday 30th May 21:47

Dave77vx

2 posts

84 months

Friday 31st May
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Nice. But too fragile. Aston V12 vantage half that price. Each to their own. Single clutch paddle shift not the best for smoothness

MDL111

3,482 posts

119 months

Friday 31st May
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snowsports1 said:
Or buy a 360 challenge race car, which left the Ferrari factory as a race car for half the price of this. Once people wake up to this the values will over take the road cars, look at 430 gt2 cars now which used to be £70k now £500k!!. Far more suitable for track days with a road car silencer fitted, also chances to race it in historic events if wish.
I agree on this - I am thinking about buying a Ferrari race car. Mainly as I cannot use the road cars on the road properly anyway, therefore might as well get a dedicated track car - but I also think they are currently good value if looking in the long run due to less and less chance/fun to be had to use road cars properly, much lower race car production numbers, eligibility fo historic racing
Just now need to find the money to buy the car, an SUV and a trailer .....

And yes, a few years ago the older ones were all much much cheaper than today (well maybe not the Challenge cars (apart from 355), but the GT3/GT2 cars definitely)

Edit: I would love a CS, esp like the black and red posted - they look and sound so good. Also agree they seem good value given production numbers vs the successors - probably the most valuable of them all in 15 plus years

Edited by MDL111 on Friday 31st May 06:56

911Thrasher

2,470 posts

141 months

Friday 31st May
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Dave77vx said:
Nice. But too fragile. Aston V12 vantage half that price. Each to their own. Single clutch paddle shift not the best for smoothness
disagree with the "too fragile" comment, yes they are light and feel light but fragile?? I've had 2, drove close to 30kmiles with them all year round, ran as daily and numerous track days...never had an issue.
Of course they were maintained as they should: serviced before&after each track day

And i'm not the only one with this experience.