RE: Watch onboard video of ID.R's 6min 05.336secs lap

RE: Watch onboard video of ID.R's 6min 05.336secs lap

Friday 7th June

Finally | The full ID.R 6min 05secs lap - onboard

Volkswagen has heard us and responded - here's the full ID.R lap from the hot seat...



UPDATE - 07.06.19

We've had the piecemeal video - now for the real thing, from start to finish. 'Nuff said.


 No bones about it: beating Stefan Bellof's 1983 lap record is an astounding achievement. None of us doubted that the ID.R would crack the 6:45.9 set by Peter Dumbreck in the NIO EP9 in 2017 - because that was a (sort of) production car and Volkswagen's all-electric racing concept certainly isn't. But to dip under the 6:11.1 that Bellof achieved at the wheel of the Porsche 956 is remarkable. Lest we forget, the record stood for 35 years until Porsche shattered it with the 919 Evo.

The ID.R's distance from that car's 5:19.5 lap is notable, of course - but Volkswagen would never have targeted the trick LMP1 hybrid's time because it is in a different league from almost anything you'd care to imagine. Instead it is likely that the team were hoping to break the 6-minute mark (not least because the director of motorsport told PH that the car's simulated time was slightly quicker than the one Romain Dumas actually laid down). Regardless, the new EV record is likely to stand for a while.

As with Pikes Peak, Volkswagen Motorsport doesn't seem to inclined to give us unfiltered onboard footage of the lap right out of the gate (despite it being the way that every other manufacturer on earth does it) so the first official video is a slight mixed bag. But the bits you do see from a camera positioned ahead of Dumas does give you some idea of the astonishing speed being summoned up by the ID.R - made even more hyper-real by the ghostly whine which accompanies it. You'll have heard sweeter Nurburgring laps, sure - but only one quicker. Kudos, VW.


 

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zebra

Original Poster:

4,493 posts

156 months

Monday 3rd June
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Cracking effort that.

Speed1283

33 posts

37 months

Monday 3rd June
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I know it's the future, I know this car is amazing and I know that the record is very impressive... But it sounds pretty awful.. I mean it's not silent.. but I just don't find it very interesting!

Redline88

134 posts

48 months

Monday 3rd June
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Speed1283 said:
I know it's the future, I know this car is amazing and I know that the record is very impressive... But it sounds pretty awful.. I mean it's not silent.. but I just don't find it very interesting!

Agreed! Amazing achievement but just lacking in that emotive side

foggy

844 posts

224 months

Monday 3rd June
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Speed1283 said:
I know it's the future, I know this car is amazing and I know that the record is very impressive... But it sounds pretty awful.. I mean it's not silent.. but I just don't find it very interesting!
Same here. Go watch a video of the Broadley T76 (linked on another thread) being wrung out and it just seems so much more interesting and involving, multi-dimensional.

Same reason why classic and historic racing interests me so much more nowadays than modern glued down, on rails cars. Also domestic rallycross too, seeing cars sliding about a bit and driver car control on display.

wc98

8,732 posts

82 months

Monday 3rd June
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good effort, but as said it definitely looks more interesting to drive than watch. looks like battery was running low well before the end of lap going by speeds earlier in lap compared to speed hit on the straight.
i reckon that is around the pace a modern gp bike could run round there if allowed, maybe even sub 6, but i doubt we ever find out.
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waftycranker

5 posts

2 months

Monday 3rd June
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Bore off electric car.

J4CKO

27,462 posts

142 months

Monday 3rd June
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waftycranker said:
Bore off electric car.
They wont though will they.

In terms of evolution, this is early days for the EV, 11 years since the Tesla Roadster appeared which was sort of day 1 for the start of the current shift to electric power.

So, this by VW is 45 ish seconds behind the Porsche, which was so far in front of everything else, part of the same group so the cynic in me thinks that there may be some stage management going on, not saying it could go faster than the 919 but even if it could I think it would have a Porsche badge on it.

How long before a pure EV beats that time, does anyone think its not possible, I personally think its a when, rather than an if, within 5 years I reckon.

They dont sound very edifying, granted.

Ian974

2,088 posts

141 months

Monday 3rd June
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It's interesting and a pretty big achievement, maybe doesn't look that exciting to watch but would be an awesome thing to drive.
I've no idea if it's set to any specific regulations in general for the pikes peak car, would they be able to wring a chunk more pace out of it just adding a bit more batteries to it and a slightly beefier motor? Top end speed isn't ridiculously quick tbh, though that's not what it's about.

NDNDNDND

698 posts

125 months

Tuesday 4th June
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That video's unwatchably awful. Stupid fat guy talking it up at the start? Endless switching of camera angles? Pointless 'exciting' music overdub?

Just give us the raw, onboard footage, preferably with the driver in view so we can see what he's doing.

ninepoint2

1,900 posts

102 months

Tuesday 4th June
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Speed1283 said:
I know it's the future, I know this car is amazing and I know that the record is very impressive... But it sounds pretty awful.. I mean it's not silent.. but I just don't find it very interesting!
This..I got bored after less that 2 minutes

AMGSee55

119 posts

44 months

Tuesday 4th June
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wc98 said:
good effort, but as said it definitely looks more interesting to drive than watch. looks like battery was running low well before the end of lap going by speeds earlier in lap compared to speed hit on the straight.
i reckon that is around the pace a modern gp bike could run round there if allowed, maybe even sub 6, but i doubt we ever find out.
Was about 270kph I recall top end in the earlier part of the lap and seemed to be around 250 on the final straight, so yes presumably it was running out of juice. Guess it might have cracked the 6 min marker otherwise. Confess I would rather watch the moto gp boys giving it some beans round there rather than the IDR - very impressive but somehow sterile as others have alluded to.

simonrockman

5,760 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th June
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It's an impressive technical achievement. Shame it took dieselgate to spur VW into doing the R&D.

kambites

56,709 posts

163 months

Tuesday 4th June
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ninepoint2 said:
Speed1283 said:
I know it's the future, I know this car is amazing and I know that the record is very impressive... But it sounds pretty awful.. I mean it's not silent.. but I just don't find it very interesting!
This..I got bored after less that 2 minutes
We are all the results of our upbringing. We like noisy engines because we associate that noise with speed and adrenaline. The next generation (or maybe the one after that) will not and consequently wont miss, or probably even like, the noise of internal combustion engines.

Like it or not, those of us who love internal combustion engines are dinosaurs.

Speed1283

33 posts

37 months

Tuesday 4th June
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You may be right, I'm probably a bit of a luddite when it comes to EVs.. as an engineer I appreciate what electric vehicles can/will achieve but they just leave me completely cold.

Imagine the New York city scene of Gumball Rally if they were in EVs... Even the Chevy Van was interesting despite not being particularly fast.

Anyway, not meaning to start an EV Vs Petrol debate, I'm well aware that EVs are the future and as posted above I'll be surprised if the outright record isn't beaten by an EV in the next 5 years or so.

Andy20vt

831 posts

128 months

Tuesday 4th June
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My god that's boring. Watched the in car footage and switched off after about 30 seconds. Fast, yes I am sure but also lifeless and soul less. Sounds like a dentists drill! I'd have no desire to drive that car - may as well sit on your sofa and play a video game. This however on the other hand I watched the full thing and thoroughly enjoyed it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-french/bridge-...

BathyThermo

315 posts

2 months

Tuesday 4th June
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I've not been here that long, but there are a few names that I've started to recognise when I'm scrolling down the forums, that always post gold.

This guy up here is one of them ^^^

No desire to drive the 2nd fastest car ever round that track, because it doesn't sound exciting enough.

If you can only derive enjoyment from a car via noise and the vibrations that the engineers work so hard to minimise, you're sort of missing the point of it all, in my opinion.

topboss

329 posts

195 months

Tuesday 4th June
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BathyThermo said:
If you can only derive enjoyment from a car via noise and the vibrations that the engineers work so hard to minimise, you're sort of missing the point of it all, in my opinion.
Noise is a massive part of car ownership to me. Whilst an amazing achievement from a technology stand point, the ID.R does absolutely nothing for me what so ever. The car bores me, the video bores me....it’s just not exciting to me.



BathyThermo

315 posts

2 months

Tuesday 4th June
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topboss said:
Noise is a massive part of car ownership to me. Whilst an amazing achievement from a technology stand point, the ID.R does absolutely nothing for me what so ever. The car bores me, the video bores me....it’s just not exciting to me.
Someone handed you a lid and asked if you wanted to take it a spin round a track, you'd turn them down?

waftycranker

5 posts

2 months

Tuesday 4th June
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J4CKO said:
waftycranker said:
Bore off electric car.
They wont though will they.

In terms of evolution, this is early days for the EV, 11 years since the Tesla Roadster appeared which was sort of day 1 for the start of the current shift to electric power.

So, this by VW is 45 ish seconds behind the Porsche, which was so far in front of everything else, part of the same group so the cynic in me thinks that there may be some stage management going on, not saying it could go faster than the 919 but even if it could I think it would have a Porsche badge on it.

How long before a pure EV beats that time, does anyone think its not possible, I personally think its a when, rather than an if, within 5 years I reckon.

They dont sound very edifying, granted.
I know they won’t which is the sad part about it.

I know they are the future but so were diesels. There was the issue about the the mining of the metals used in the batteries. Has that gone away?

I know I’m a dinosaur. Even if this was a petrol powered car I still wouldn’t be interested. I don’t think I’ve liked a new car since the Ferrari 458 and that was the first one in a while.

Electric, hybrid and modern turbos can suck my ar$£!

Mafffew

1,417 posts

53 months

Tuesday 4th June
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BathyThermo said:
I've not been here that long, but there are a few names that I've started to recognise when I'm scrolling down the forums, that always post gold.

This guy up here is one of them ^^^

No desire to drive the 2nd fastest car ever round that track, because it doesn't sound exciting enough.

If you can only derive enjoyment from a car via noise and the vibrations that the engineers work so hard to minimise, you're sort of missing the point of it all, in my opinion.
I think it is sad you feel the need to label his/her post as "gold". You may not agree with what he/she said, but that is poor form.