RE: Toyota (Supra) at Le Mans | PH Footnote

RE: Toyota (Supra) at Le Mans | PH Footnote

Sunday 16th June 2019

Toyota (Supra) at Le Mans | PH Footnote

Ahead of 24 Heures du Mans, our man took to the Circuit de la Sarthe to see what all the fuss is about



Any chance to lap Le Mans is to be seized with both hands. The circuit only exists for a handful of days each year and certainly wouldn't normally be accessible to mere mortals such as myself. As you read this the drivers involved in this year's running will be deep into the race, having completed many hundreds of laps of their own. Having already piloted their Le Mans Prototype and GTE cars through the darkness into the pale dawn sunshine, they may even be starting to feel like the end is in sight.

Toyota's multi-million-pound TS050 Hybrid - by far the most advanced machine on the grid - is widely expected to be in the lead, although that may very easily not be the case, such is the challenge of endurance racing. This is just part of the unique magic of Le Mans, a subject to which a phenomenal number of column inches have tried to convey.

Almost as many as have been consigned to the challenge of accepting Toyota's new Supra as a deserving recipient of the name. It should have looked more like the FT1 concept, doesn't have enough power, uses too many BMW components and needed a manual to be properly appealing, apparently. Nonetheless it's here, and as I sit in the 340hp coupe waiting to head out onto the Circuit de la Sarthe I find it hard to complain.


Even to someone who's spent quite a bit of time in quite a few different BMWs recently, the borrowed switchgear doesn't immediately stand out in the cabin - certainly not in the way that the German manufacturer's gear selector does in Morgan's latest offering, at least. I doubt many owners will even notice, and those that do certainly won't begrudge components which, let's face it, are likely of a higher quality than that which would have otherwise been on offer. Plus it's hard to worry too much about door handle design and infotainment layout when you're underway. When you're pulling onto Le Mans' hallowed tarmac, nothing could be further from your mind.

We're the first cars out on the morning of the race, and as such join the circuit just before the Ford Chicane - the pit lane being rather busy at this stage of the weekend. This makes our first taste of La Sarthe a foot-to-the-floor blast down the pit straight, the grandstands flashing past on either side before we head into the long right hander at Dunlop. Here I stay left for as long as I dare before cutting across to the right and braking hard into the left-right chicane that precedes the famous bridge, the practice my 15-year old self put in on Forza finally proving more useful than the GCSE revision I should have been doing, even if my despairing mum didn't believe it at the time.

The thing that's hard to tell about the Le Mans circuit from a videogame, TV broadcast or grandstand, though, is how frequently the track subtly drops away, meaning that even relatively gentle corners can take an unsuspecting or inattentive driver by surprise. A precise knowledge of the entire track is therefore key, something which, beyond those first few turns engrained in my memory, I do not possess. It's just another reason why the deceptively simple layout of the high speed circuit makes for such compelling racing. Misjudge a braking point whilst passing a slower car in the dead of night and 14 hours of work can go out the window.


Similarly, four years of career building can find themselves buried in a gravel trap, so progress remains quick but steady until we round Tertre Rouge and I once more bury my foot down the Mulsanne Straight. The Supra certainly doesn't feel to be wanting for power here, gaining speed rapidly as its rorty exhaust growls through the gear changes. With over 250km/h showing on the speedo a less enthusiastic car decides to pass an even slower one without checking his mirrors, cutting me off. The brakes are good, luckily.

For the rest of the lap I focus on taking in the experience, after all this is where some of the greatest triumphs and tragedies in motorsport have occurred, each kilometre steeped in history. One lap of a track I've never experienced in a car I've never driven before was hardly likely to add any new chapters to that legend, but it did give me an entirely new appreciation for what the drivers involved in the 24 hours endure; it may not be the Nordschleife but the raw speed involved makes this is a highly technical track nonetheless. Add to that the cramped conditions, physical demands and mental fatigue of this kind of motorsport and you have a challenge unlike any other.

And the Supra? It certainly made a much better impression in the metal than I was expecting it to - but there is still far more to discover. Perhaps, just like the Le Mans circuit itself, there's more to it than meets the eye.


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FaNtheMaN26

Original Poster:

95 posts

59 months

Sunday 16th June 2019
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Ok I am new to piston heads...but it's feels every single day there has been an article on the friggin supra....WE GET IT, honestly we do

samoht

5,713 posts

146 months

Sunday 16th June 2019
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At least having people complain about excessive Supra coverage makes a refreshing change from them complaining about wall-to-wall Porsches, as normal.

Considering the fundamentals;
  • This is an enthusiasts' website, so it focuses on cars designed to be fun to drive.
  • There's more interest in newly released cars than another piece on a model released three years ago.
  • Cars designed from scratch for fun are more varied in design and have the potential to reach higher highs than ordinary cars to which go-faster parts have been added, so are more interesting to cover in greater depth.
  • However, such cars are expensive to develop, and thus there are few of them at vaguely affordable (up to about £50k) prices
So the relatively small set of cars that fall into this category get comprehensively covered. In the past this has meant endless Porsche stories, now we're fortunate to have the A110 and Supra, as well as the MX-5 and GT86 at a lower price point, joining the party. The new Supra is a big story and a car that quite a few PHers will be seriously considering, either now or in the future, so it's well worth the ink expended.

nismo48

3,688 posts

207 months

Sunday 16th June 2019
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Very well put..clap

redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Sunday 16th June 2019
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Think they should have turbocharged gt86 wide arch bodykit done as supra edition sold it for 40 k would look better and be as quick and cheaper .

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Sunday 16th June 2019
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Awesome, thnx for sharing this experience PH!

Ps why are so many demo cars on Belgian plates nowadays?

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

163 months

Sunday 16th June 2019
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FaNtheMaN26 said:
Ok I am new to piston heads...but it's feels every single day there has been an article on the friggin supra....WE GET IT, honestly we do
I hadn't noticed ,can't be that many.

Anyway ,I don't like the rear of this ,styled by the same bloke as the gopping Prius arse end ?

rampageturke

2,622 posts

162 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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FaNtheMaN26 said:
Ok I am new to piston heads...but it's feels every single day there has been an article on the friggin supra....WE GET IT, honestly we do
just be glad you weren't around when the Focus RS was coming out

these are all paid-for articles by toyota.

camel_landy

4,898 posts

183 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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Ahhh... That would explain the Supras over the weekend. (We had one on the Team Langoustine campsite, German plates & BMW Group sticker (subsequently covered with gaffa tape) in the windscreen.)

M

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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See Car & Driver have tested one



U.S. seem to think the demo cars are cranking out more power/torque than quoted

Be interested to see a UK test

cerb4.5lee

30,585 posts

180 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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^^^^

Its pushing some strong performance figures in that test for sure. A nice quick steering rack too. I'm looking forward to reading some group tests of it.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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Sod whatever car you were in - if someone said "Would you like to drive round La Sarthe without a speed limit?" I'd be snatching the keys out of their hands without any hesitation. Bucket-list stuff.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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anonymous said:
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Yes, I’ll see what Autocar reckon to it

Electro1980

8,294 posts

139 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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Krikkit said:
Sod whatever car you were in - if someone said "Would you like to drive round La Sarthe without a speed limit?" I'd be snatching the keys out of their hands without any hesitation. Bucket-list stuff.
Ye. The car is irrelevant. Offer me a Dacia Logan 1.0 and I’d bite your hand off. I would rather something a bit faster and better handling, but if it was that or nothing I would be jumping on the chance.

jet_noise

5,648 posts

182 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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anonymous said:
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They have both 0-60 & rolling 5-60. Oddly the former is faster.

PistonBroker

2,419 posts

226 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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Krikkit said:
Sod whatever car you were in - if someone said "Would you like to drive round La Sarthe without a speed limit?" I'd be snatching the keys out of their hands without any hesitation. Bucket-list stuff.
Agreed!

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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anonymous said:
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I can understand the full blooded standing start ( high revs dialled in/launch control on ) being quicker than a start trickling along at 5 at low revs and then throttle being mashed. Plus as cmoose said the ‘standing start’ run is where the car is moving slightly before it starts the timing

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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anonymous said:
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5-60mph will start a little over idle, to help demonstrate the flexibility of the car. Something very Peaky or with a lot of lag will not perform well here.

0-60mph allows for moderately high revs and of course in modern cars, launch control.


As for the US figures, some of the testing uses a thing called roll out. Which does impact the numbers a little:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/motor-trend-testin...

NITO

1,084 posts

206 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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This Supra is to the previous version, what Rian Johnson's TLJ is to Star Wars.

Sacrilege.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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NITO said:
This Supra is to the previous version, what Rian Johnson's TLJ is to Star Wars.

Sacrilege.
Why?

Mr Tidy

22,320 posts

127 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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The big difference between this and the last generation Supra, other than the BMW tie-up obviously, is that it's only a 2 seater.

I'm enjoying reading about it, and it seems to generally get more positive write-ups than the new Z4.

Now if Toyota would just offer a manual gearbox and the cars depreciate like mad I may have something to aim for! laugh