RE: Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted

RE: Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted

Thursday 20th June 2019

Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted

Powered by a 280hp V6, the special edition 9-3 celebrated Saab's first success at the RAC Rally of Britain



Two years before the demise of Saab, the Swedish car manufacturer still had reason to celebrate. Sure, sales were slow and the impact of ongoing financial struggles had long since set in, but in 2010 it had been fifty years since the brand's iconic 96 rally car secured its maiden win at the RAC Rally of Britain. Piloted by legendary Swedish driver Erik Carlsson, the two-stroke machine put Saab's name on the sporting map and went on to achieve several more rallying successes the world over.

By the start of this decade, the brand was in a much more perilous state. The firm's model line-up was dated to say the least, with the by then eight-year-old 9-3 just managing to keep up with rivals and the new 9-5 not quite as new as it should have been. But there were still some spots among those ranges, with the 9-3, for example, still being offered in V6 form - creating the sort of discreet but powerful model Saab had long been famed for.


To mark the half a century since the 96 RAC rally victory, the special edition Carlsson used a turbocharged 2.8-litre engine to produce 280hp, a boost of 25hp, driving all four wheels through a six-speed automatic gearbox. It was quick enough, sprinting from 0-62mph in 6.9 seconds and onto a top speed of 155mph, and also generously equipped, coming with bespoke leather sports seats, climate control, sat-nav and xenon lights as standard.

It remained true to the established Saab ethos: all business, minimum fuss. Its aesthetic changes were limited to a few bits of extra trim and bigger alloys; the interior was fairly bland but very functional and comfortable. It was a great example of the fabled Q car, munching miles stylishly and with six-cylinder purpose. This was a Saab from a closing era of large capacity machines in a shrinking segment.


The Carlsson's biggest downside was its ride quality, which, in order that it might deliver a slightly more sporting handling, was less compliant than the regular car. It was also made to look ancient by its rivals - not just because it was well-equipped but obviously dated, but also because it was quick but not obviously sporting. It was easy for Saab fans to fall for its charms, regardless - and anyway, the brand only had 96 models to sell as a nod to the RAC winner's name.

Today's Spotted is therefore a rare machine, and despite its 75,000 miles of use, it appears to be in excellent condition - probably because only Saab loving enthusiasts are likely to own a Carlsson. So while a near £10k price tag means it's not exactly a bargain, it remains a compelling leftfield choice to the usual German alternatives, as it was back in 2010. There's also its value as a piece of commemorative history to consider, which, to some, might just be worth more than the sum of its parts.


SPECIFICATION - SAAB 9-3 CARLSSON

Engine: 2,792cc V6, turbocharged
Transmission: Six-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 280@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Recorded mileage: 75,000
First registered: 2010
Price new: £26,495
Yours for: £9,950

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buckline

Original Poster:

377 posts

163 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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A lovely, rare beast. Is the original RRP correct?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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How is this car worth thousands more than the vastly higher new cost of a 535d F10 same age m sport fully loaded similar ish miles (maybe 25-30k more).

£8k for the 535d F10 and yet this is more...... really? No chance

T1berious

2,259 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Welshbeef said:
How is this car worth thousands more than the vastly higher new cost of a 535d F10 same age m sport fully loaded similar ish miles (maybe 25-30k more).

£8k for the 535d F10 and yet this is more...... really? No chance
It's early and I could be wrong but as a wild guess I'm thinking there are considerably more than 96 F10 535d's built?

That small number probably means you won't come across another one anytime soon.

off for caffeine

cookie1600

2,114 posts

161 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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A little cracker! With that Hirsch upgrade to a usable 300hp, you'll have a very nice Q-car. Those big alloys and hard suspension might be a bit jarring on potholed UK roads though.

I was once driven around Millbrook in an original 900 Carlsson by the great man himself, a thoroughly nice guy. He took it up to 140mph and then started rocking the steering wheel quarter of a turn each way to show how planted it was. Legend.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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T1berious said:
It's early and I could be wrong but as a wild guess I'm thinking there are considerably more than 96 F10 535d's built?

That small number probably means you won't come across another one anytime soon.

off for caffeine
Using Autotrader online price valuation (the same to get my £8.5k valuation of the F10 535d it gives £5.7k for this Saab. So it’s way over book price.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Welshbeef said:
How is this car worth thousands more than the vastly higher new cost of a 535d F10 same age m sport fully loaded similar ish miles (maybe 25-30k more).

£8k for the 535d F10 and yet this is more...... really? No chance
Misses the point completely. Saabs are still loved by a loyal following and to somebody this will be worth buying. A diesel BMW on the other hand holds little interest to anyone.

I scalped a new diesel 1 series this morning, it was in washing machine white livery. I was in my old 9-5 shed. Man in BMW wasn’t happy that he couldn’t keep up with my superior machine.


Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 20th June 08:02

jagnet

4,110 posts

202 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Using Autotrader online price valuation ..
Who uses online valuation tools for anything out of the ordinary. Might as well see what WBAC offers and base your valuation on that.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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wormus said:
Misses the point completely. Saabs are still loved by a loyal following and to somebody this will be worth buying. A diesel BMW on the other hand holds little interest to anyone.

I scalped a new diesel 1 series this morning, it was in washing machine white livery. I was in my old 9-5 shed. Man in BMW wasn’t happy that he couldn’t keep up with my superior machine.


Edited by wormus on Thursday 20th June 08:02
He I was comparing the 300bhp 535d v the 275bhp Carlsson

richinlondon

593 posts

122 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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jagnet said:
Who uses online valuation tools for anything out of the ordinary. Might as well see what WBAC offers and base your valuation on that.
just bored one day I used WBAC to value my M3 EVO with low miles - fifty quid!

Dabooka

281 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Crikey, there's one of these in my work car park. Admired it for a couple of years now but never knew its history or rarity, other than it was clearly a special edition.

Want even more now, but not at that price.

Gez79

217 posts

183 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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jagnet said:
Welshbeef said:
Using Autotrader online price valuation ..
Who uses online valuation tools for anything out of the ordinary. Might as well see what WBAC offers and base your valuation on that.
Exactly this. Their valuations are terrible especially on anything even slightly rare.

Their price for my 335i 12 months ago was under 5k. I sold it for 10k!

Plus a quick search on AutoTrader shows f10 535d with under 80k starting at 13.5k.

Going back to the Saab, wasn't the same package available as the Turbo X, with the option of a manual gearbox? Never driven one but we had a diesel ttid aero for a while at work. It was okay but remember the interior felt very cheap.

jagnet

4,110 posts

202 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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richinlondon said:
just bored one day I used WBAC to value my M3 EVO with low miles - fifty quid!
hehe

Did you then get a follow up phone call a week later to see if you were interested?

Tell you what, how about £60 for cash. Can pick it up tomorrow.

ballans

790 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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I think a lot a of die hard Saab fans had already given up on the brand by this point as GM had pretty much ironed out all of the idiosyncrasies (flaws!) that made Saab so unique and likeable.
I’d had 5 in row but my last 2005 93 aero left me seriously disappointed so I never bought another. Was actually very relived when a tree fell through it and wrote it off!
Also I tried the V6 engine and it felt very dull and generic compared to the 2.0 high output turbo.
I think you would have to be a VERY hard core Saab enthusiast to pay this much for a limited edition even with it’s rarity.


CharlieAlphaMike

1,137 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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I've always secretly fancied a Saab and was close to buying a 9-5 (the last model) but somehow never managed to part with my money.

NicoG

640 posts

208 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Welshbeef said:
How is this car worth thousands more than the vastly higher new cost of a 535d F10 same age m sport fully loaded similar ish miles (maybe 25-30k more).

£8k for the 535d F10 and yet this is more...... really? No chance
Please could you send me a link to the £8K fully-loaded F10 535D M-Sport with similar mileage (maybe 25-30K more)?
I'd buy it in a heartbeat

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Welshbeef said:
How is this car worth thousands more than the vastly higher new cost of a 535d F10 same age m sport fully loaded similar ish miles (maybe 25-30k more).

£8k for the 535d F10 and yet this is more...... really? No chance
Because it's rare and interesting unlike a run of the mill diesel BMW.

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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CharlieAlphaMike said:
I've always secretly fancied a Saab and was close to buying a 9-5 (the last model) but somehow never managed to part with my money.
I've always fancied one too but never pulled the trigger. I've always seen them as really good solid cars.

cookie1600

2,114 posts

161 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Would it make much difference to peoples comments and observations here if you could buy this exact car for say £7,950.00?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-60-SAAB-9-3-2-8-V6...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Edited by cookie1600 on Thursday 20th June 09:11

David87

6,656 posts

212 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Is this basically the same the the Turbo X?

Calza

1,994 posts

115 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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ballans said:
Also I tried the V6 engine and it felt very dull and generic compared to the 2.0 high output turbo.
Do you mean the 2.3?