RE: Megane RS Trophy-R full specs confirmed

RE: Megane RS Trophy-R full specs confirmed

Friday 5th July 2019

Megane RS Trophy-R full specs confirmed

Out goes 130kg (and the four-wheel steer) for Renault Sport's latest 'ring warrior



Renault Sport has revealed the full technical specifications of its Megane RS Trophy-R and, if anything, it's even more exotic than expected. We always knew that the car to nab the front-wheel drive Nurburgring lap record from the Type R Civic with a 7min 40sec time - that's 3.8 secs quicker than the Honda and an incredible 14 seconds ahead of the old Trophy-R - would undergo a thorough transformation, but this one is drastic, even by Renault Sport standards. To summarise, it includes the loss of 130kg, the use of race-spec front suspension with aggressive geometry and the ditching of the RS Megane's USP: that new all-wheel steer system. Talk about intent.

First things first, the weight loss. As expected, the Trophy's back bench is gone, saving 25.3kg, while a thinner floor removes another 1.3kg over the rear wheels. Up front, the driver and passenger chairs have been swapped for Sabelt composites that weight just 7kg each, and the infotainment has been downgraded to 7.0 inches in a bid to save 225g. No infotainment delete option is available, which will probably disappoint absolutely nobody because driving to your track day in silence is very boring.


Ultra-hot Megs have not been able to use composite windows after the famed R26.R due to modern crash regulations, but the latest R does at least get thinner glass glazing at the front and side of the car, saving 1kg from the total. Similarly, the bonnet is made from carbon composite (weighing just 8kg) and Renault has used a fully carbon rear diffuser at the back, with the Akrapovi? titanium exhaust removing a further 6kg; the ditching of the rear wiper knocks off 3kg more. Those after maximum weight loss can option in a smaller battery that's 4.5kg lighter and there are even carbon wheels - a first for the sector - that save 4kg per corner, to satisfy unsprung mass nerds.

Yet even with all that, it's perhaps the chassis modifications that best illustrate Renault Sport's hardcore philosophy with the new Meg Trophy-R. The front axle now runs with the wheels set at negative 2.05 degrees, an increase of a degree, meaning the standard-fit Torsen limited-slip differential can be even more effective when the car is loaded through a bend. Yummy. At the back, the 4Control steering is gone, with the agility lost from its removal said to have been clawed back by that new front setup. In fact, Renault Sport reckons the two-wheel steer car is actually more agile at the rear than the regular Trophy thanks to the pointiness of its nose. No doubt that trait has been helped by the fact 4Control system's removal has taken 32kg out of the back!


Then there are optional 390mm front carbon ceramic brakes - another first for the sector - which should provide the 1,306kg Trophy-R with phenomenal stopping power, as well as tweaked aerodynamics, which are said to help cool said brakes and also tidy airflow over and under the car. Interestingly, Renault Sport has not sought any notable increase in downforce; it says this illustrates the division's desire to offer something rewarding and "pure". The turbocharged 1.8-litre engine, for example, has remained unchanged with the same 300hp and 295lb ft of torque outputs, although that diet has helped trim the 0-62mph time to 5.4 seconds, which is four tenths quicker than the 20hp more powerful and 145kg heavier Type R.

Want one? Course you do. But there is a catch, or two. Only 500 Trophy-Rs are to be made, just 28 of which will be right-hand drive. And while pricing is yet to be confirmed, given the technical setup, we're expecting the total figure to amount to aheckofalot - a European price of 55,000 euros would point to that. Just how much it will cost here could be pivotal in determining whether we're looking at the new hot hatch champion or an extremely costly alternative to an impressive Honda - one that's less than four seconds slower around the Nordschleife in standard trim. Then again, it would be nice to see Renault Sport back on form again, wouldn't it?











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frayz

Original Poster:

2,629 posts

158 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Dieppe boys back on point, absolutely love this thing. smile

BFleming

3,589 posts

142 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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I thought this was manufactured in Palencia confused

Harry_523

350 posts

98 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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To answer any back seat/4 door related questions.


What a mad car, whats the betting these chassis improvements, and the removal of 4ws will come on the facelift of the regular car?

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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i like very much biggrin

james-uqyen

16 posts

99 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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ughhhh 5 door

Woody2043

41 posts

79 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Well since they're in France they'd be 'En pointe', surely?

Leins

9,418 posts

147 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Love this. Although not sure why they didn’t weld the rear doors and take all the locking and window mechanisms out of them too

mat205125

17,790 posts

212 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Love it! (apart from the garish stickers)

The Renaultsport Meganes from all generations have always been proper weapons, and at the same time great fun and engaging and rewarding to drive.


Vee12V

1,329 posts

159 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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4WS gone. Good! Love thing thing.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Some serious options for a hot hatch and it ain't going to be cheap but to be fair you could option a 695 Biposto to over 50K so it's not as if a president hasn't already been set for an outrageously priced car of this type.

How many seconds would the 130kg weight loss be worth over the lap? How much weight would the Civic have to shed to match this new time assuming it had no further modifications to its hardware?

vernz

179 posts

129 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Being a Type R owner, I'm a bit sceptical to be honest........

I'm not doubting the time, but this is pure and simply a track day weapon. I'm not saying the Type R is a comfy mile muncher, but It's our everyday and is perfectly usable as such.

Could that be said for the Megane?

I'm also sceptical about the price. Carbon wheels, other carbon components......

Did it achieve the time on the optional ceramic brakes......was it on cup tyres?

I'd be surprised if Honda respond to this. It's obviously not beyond them to strip out some non essentials and put a set of cup 2 tyres on. That would get them a bit closer straight away, but for them I don't think its saleable.

I've got a feeling the price will be well North of 35k, possibly nearer 40k and for a few seconds improvement around the ring......


Dblue

3,252 posts

199 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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vernz said:
Being a Type R owner, I'm a bit sceptical to be honest........

I'm not doubting the time, but this is pure and simply a track day weapon. I'm not saying the Type R is a comfy mile muncher, but It's our everyday and is perfectly usable as such.

Could that be said for the Megane?

I'm also sceptical about the price. Carbon wheels, other carbon components......

Did it achieve the time on the optional ceramic brakes......was it on cup tyres?

I'd be surprised if Honda respond to this. It's obviously not beyond them to strip out some non essentials and put a set of cup 2 tyres on. That would get them a bit closer straight away, but for them I don't think its saleable.

I've got a feeling the price will be well North of 35k, possibly nearer 40k and for a few seconds improvement around the ring......
I think the Type R lap was on Cup 2 rubber , not the standard Contis.


The lats Trophy R was over £40k with the ring pack options on it. this one will be nearer £50k I reckon

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Leins said:
Love this. Although not sure why they didn’t weld the rear doors and take all the locking and window mechanisms out of them too
No cage mentioned, fixed back front seats? Rear area can still be used for luggage space presumably meaning the doors are the obvious access point.

Added cost to develop a fixed rear window, blank door card?

How much weight would be added by welding the rear doors shut? Would it have to be seam welded around it's entire aperture or could it be merely spot welded in a few places?

The car looks ace on the Carbon wheels. I'm guessing that with so few due to be available in RHD that nearly all will be fully specced.

Itsallicanafford

2,759 posts

158 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Love the way they did it the hard way by loosing weight and improving handling rather than just remapping the engine for more power.


gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Dblue said:
this one will be nearer £50k I reckon
I'd be surprised if one with both the carbon wheels and brakes didn't hit 50K.

framerateuk

2,730 posts

183 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Dblue said:
I think the Type R lap was on Cup 2 rubber , not the standard Contis.
That Type R also had a rollcage fitted too which was obviously not an option on the road car.

Props to Renault for going mad with this car!

I actually like the 4WS on the normal model, seems to have a pretty decent effect on the turning circle. But I'm glad they weren't too proud to take it out when trying to go as fast as possible!

Also guys, a 280 Cup or Trophy is almost 35k, this is going to be at least 40k. I'm guessing 45k+ with those carbon wheels and ceramic brakes....

daniel1920

310 posts

117 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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What a nightmare for communication team.

We put 4ws on because it’s better
We took 4ws off because it’s worse

vernz

179 posts

129 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Dblue said:
I think the Type R lap was on Cup 2 rubber , not the standard Contis.


The lats Trophy R was over £40k with the ring pack options on it. this one will be nearer £50k I reckon
I think you are correct about the cup tyres on the Civic and in fairness, there were also a few mods that you wouldn't find on the production line!!

I must admit that I'm totally out of touch with Renault prices these days. We had a 182 Clio in 2006 and a Megane 250 cup in 2011 that we bought from new at around 25k.

On reflection this is clearly going to be nearer 50k and with a bit of Carwow discount on a Type R, probably about 20k more than a new Honda!!

Jon_S_Rally

3,385 posts

87 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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Seeing as we don't know what spec the Type-R was in, I think a bit of caution is required when it comes to comparisons.

This is a serious bit of kit and is likely going to be uber expensive, but it's pretty impressive all the same. While only a handful will be available (especially in the all-out spec), it's great that OEMs are doing such bonkers thing.

I do wonder if we might see a slightly more toned down version become available later - perhaps making the AWS/new front geometry available to more people - especially as there has been some cloud over the standard car.

Regardless though, fair play Renault, you haven't fked about with this thing!

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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vernz said:
On reflection this is clearly going to be nearer 50k and with a bit of Carwow discount on a Type R, probably about 20k more than a new Honda!!
I expect for the very few who will be in the position to have one the extra expense will be totally worth it though even if on paper the Civic would still appear to be the greater achievement, if Nurburgring lap times are ya thing.