RE: 2020 Volkswagen Golf GTI spied at 'Ring

RE: 2020 Volkswagen Golf GTI spied at 'Ring

Monday 2nd December

Mk8 Golf GTI spied without camouflage | Update

New performance hatch will use an updated version of VW's EA888; expect i30 N rivalling power



Volkswagen has been caught winter testing its upcoming Mk8 Golf GTI in the Arctic Circle, where the 260hp+ model has ditched all but the smallest elements of its disguise in the run up to an anticipated springtime launch. The five-door model will use an updated version of VW’s EA888 turbo 2.0-litre with sufficient power to take on Hyundai’s i30 N Performance for the first time. Not only will the increase in output shift the entire GTI line-up forwards, it’ll also help the front-driven variants to keep up the pace as the range-topping R arrives with close to 400hp in a bid to take on the AMG A45.

The regular GTI will, however, remain more focussed on providing the broad capabilities of its predecessors, with its engineers expected to deliver even greater refinement and efficiency alongside improved performance. It now seems that the four-cylinder motor will work without electronic assistance - as was previously suggested - but it is expected to make modest gains over the outgoing Performance model. It’s plausible then that a higher-powered version could mirror the 290hp currently available in the TCR.Β 


While the new design will give the Mk8 GTI a different face to its predecessor, the spied car clearly suggests it’ll continue the design evolution seen on the non-sporting Mk8s. We’re thinking the same for what’s underneath, too, with those MQB underpinnings and EA888 engine also being joined by a familiar six-speed manual gearbox or DSG auto, with β€˜Vorderachsquersperre’ VAQ offered for those wanting more bite from the front axle. Adaptive damping will also remain a tick-box option, giving the GTI the broad-batted capabilities that have left it unmatched in the segment for years.

Responsibility for facing more focussed alternatives such as the Renault Sport Megane and Honda Civic Type R will fall to the next TCR, which has been confirmed for launch and should surpass the 300hp figure with its version of the 2.0-litre four-pot. Fingers crossed that a Nurburgring-tuned Clubsport S will join the ranks, too, although at this stage there’s no official word on that. Stay tuned…





Previous story: 11.07.2019

The next-generation Volkswagen Golf is only a matter of months away, meaning engineers are also at an advanced stage of development for the following GTI version, which has been spotted lifting an inside rear at you know where. The Mk8 model is expected in summer 2020 with an evolved chassis and further developed version of today’s 2.0-litre turbo engine. That means it won’t get the hybrid setup that was previously speculated although, happily for us, it’s still expected to come with a substantial bump in performance.

We’re confident of that thanks to the recent TCR run-out model, which with 290hp and a more engaging setup has set a new agenda for GTI models this side of the circuit-honed Clubsport variant. The Mk8 GTI might not get the TCR’s output, but its updated EA888 motor is expected to have a healthy 260hp, with the motorsport-inspired TCR to make a return shortly after to provide something in the region of 300hp. That would extend the hot Golf’s attack onto the most focussed hatches, including the Honda Civic Type R and Renault Sport Megane Trophy. The next GTI will also retain the choice of a six-speed manual or seven-speed dual-clutch, keeping everyone happy.


Although we’ve not yet seen the regular car, spy shots of the GTI show that a similar recipe of design alterations are due with the hot hatch. It’ll wear more aggressive bumpers, larger wheels and a roof spoiler to assert its positioning, but Volkswagen isn't interested in the divisive styling that Honda brought to bear with the Civic Type R. Still, with the more aggressive face of the Mk8 Golf just visible beneath the camouflage, the car ought to look properly purposeful.

As for the cabin, the Mk8 Golf is set to follow suit of its youngest group siblings and get a widescreen dash infotainment system with a digital instrument cluster as standard, meaning options for the interior will be related to software specifications, trim and seats. We’re expecting tartan fabric to remain the default choice for the latter, with leather on the option list. It’s all set to be familiar stuff.

A case of evolution rather than revolution it may be, but clearly the recipe of the Mk7 has just been too successful to warrant significant divergence. The next-gen car’s still some way off, but things are already looking very promising for what is almost certainly going to be the last pure combustion engine Golf GTI generation. Don't you think?


Inspired? Search for a Volkswagen Golf GTI here





[Images: S. Baldauf/S.B. Median]

Author
Discussion

E-bmw

Original Poster:

5,227 posts

100 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Don't forget the silly-boy amounts of body roll.

biglaugh

sleepera6

4,747 posts

45 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
The headlights look st.. maybe the Golf will grow on me. But the MK7 R and GTI was a handsome design. I like the understated but classy and handsome looks.

Court_S

1,542 posts

125 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Given the success and popularity of the 7, the 8’s got a tough act to follow. Will be interesting to see what they do with the R now that competitors are getting more and more powerful.

Chestrockwell

2,083 posts

105 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
fellows4 said:
260HP is a disappointment when Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Renault are all offering at least 275-300HP for cheaper/at least as much as the GTI. And those cars have more exciting chassis.

I will be interesting indeed to see how VW keep up with the rest of the pack this generation.
Careful when you mention the word ‘Honda’, the angry mob will be here soon!

Panjy

91 posts

94 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Hard to be totally sure but even with camouflage this looks like it is going to be another mild facelift rather than a new design.
Even the power increase looks to be pretty tame when compared to its rivals.
Hopefully i'll be proven wrong but from those pics it doesn't look like a car to get too excited about frown

Reciprocating mass

5,526 posts

189 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Is it that time of year for a new burger already

FN2TypeR

6,424 posts

41 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
I like the GTI, more so than the R to be honest. Of the Mk7's my money would have gone on a three door, manual, performance pack GTI rather than an R.

I'll be interested to see how this pans out as I'm currently (and will be for the foreseeable future) doing quite high mileage but I'd like something that can be fun at times too, without sacrificing too much on the comfort stakes.

I'll certainly be interested in how it stacks up to the FK8 and i30N performance in the "easy to live with" stakes.

Leon R

386 posts

44 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
fellows4 said:
260HP is a disappointment when Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Renault are all offering at least 275-300HP for cheaper/at least as much as the GTI. And those cars have more exciting chassis.

I will be interesting indeed to see how VW keep up with the rest of the pack this generation.
The GTi is never the most powerful in the segment so 260 makes perfect sense.

When the 7 arrived with 220 at most the competition all had 250+.

Pica-Pica

6,164 posts

32 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Panjy said:
Hard to be totally sure but even with camouflage this looks like it is going to be another mild facelift rather than a new design.
Even the power increase looks to be pretty tame when compared to its rivals.
Hopefully i'll be proven wrong but from those pics it doesn't look like a car to get too excited about frown
The Golf has always had mild face-lifts. That way, buyers are reasonably assured that residuals do not fall off a cliff when new models arrive, and hence will buy new models with some degree of confidence.

With regards to performance; as a road car there is much more to refine than just increasing the power.

Jon_S_Rally

658 posts

36 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
fellows4 said:
260HP is a disappointment when Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Renault are all offering at least 275-300HP for cheaper/at least as much as the GTI. And those cars have more exciting chassis.

I will be interesting indeed to see how VW keep up with the rest of the pack this generation.
How do you know they have a more exciting chassis? Have you driven a MK8 GTI already? laugh

Fascinated to see what the MK8 Golf is going to be life. The MK7 is a really tough act to follow.

Niffty951

1,829 posts

176 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
The mk2 Gti 8v remains one of my favourite hot hatches.

Steering feel and turn in to rival RWD's of the day, styling that made the 1.8 driver look as exciting as a shopping trolley when you parked the GTi alongside.

The GTi mk5 again moved the game on with that any gear driving ability and a drive so good that salesmen could rest easy knowing whatever you'd just been driving to compare it against the GTi would be better for ~£20k of your english pounds. It lost nothing of it's fun factor for the added refinement and had just enough styling to stand out in the carpark and feel special to walk back to.

The MK7 and I sadly anticipate also the MK8 now have styling so devoid of shape or feature that I feel thirsty just looking at it. The mk7 seating position has an awkward slightly off centre wheel, even more off centre pedals and sit you far too high to feel connected to the chassis.

Driving feel and feedback are clearly aimed at the necrophiliac market and if you can detect what is going on at the wheels it will be a bucket load of depressing understeer followed by a rude interruption of any progress by a stability management system that cannot be deactivated.

The only impressive thing about this car is that journalists keep hanging on to the smallest fingerhold to climb back up from depression and give VW praise, perhaps afraid of the icon or losing respect from it's huge market of buyers keen to overtake the Joneses whilst supporting national debt.

Chestrockwell

2,083 posts

105 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Niffty951 said:
The mk2 Gti 8v remains one of my favourite hot hatches.

Steering feel and turn in to rival RWD's of the day, styling that made the 1.8 driver look as exciting as a shopping trolley when you parked the GTi alongside.

The GTi mk5 again moved the game on with that any gear driving ability and a drive so good that salesmen could rest easy knowing whatever you'd just been driving to compare it against the GTi would be better for ~£20k of your english pounds. It lost nothing of it's fun factor for the added refinement and had just enough styling to stand out in the carpark and feel special to walk back to.

The MK7 and I sadly anticipate also the MK8 now have styling so devoid of shape or feature that I feel thirsty just looking at it. The mk7 seating position has an awkward slightly off centre wheel, even more off centre pedals and sit you far too high to feel connected to the chassis.

Driving feel and feedback are clearly aimed at the necrophiliac market and if you can detect what is going on at the wheels it will be a bucket load of depressing understeer followed by a rude interruption of any progress by a stability management system that cannot be deactivated.

The only impressive thing about this car is that journalists keep hanging on to the smallest fingerhold to climb back up from depression and give VW praise, perhaps afraid of the icon or losing respect from it's huge market of buyers keen to overtake the Joneses whilst supporting national debt.
VW are guilty of the same thing as all of the other manufacturers though, all of look the same these days. The current GTI can’t be topped unless they make it look better and give it more power.

I think you pointing out the MK2 Golf and saying it was good in its time isn’t relevant as I imagine hatchbacks at the time being very poor to drive and unsporting.

The only big step up in the Golf GTI’s history would be the MK5, the introduction of that 2.0 turbo with 200 bhp and a whole new platform but since then, there isn’t much left to do to make a big change and step up.

I do agree re all journos loving VW. There’s never a bad word to say!

2Btoo

1,276 posts

151 months

Thursday 11th July
quotequote all
Serious Q: what's the point of the camouflage? I presume it's to allow a production-ready car to be driven without the styling being immediately apparent to all, but it's not hard to see the shape and design of the car if you look closely. And sticking camouflage on a car like that immediately invites closer attention.

Why do car makers do it? (When did they start doing it - I don't recall this sort of thing 15 years ago). Is there anything more to it than my surmise above?

Bibbs

3,604 posts

158 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
2Btoo said:
Serious Q: what's the point of the camouflage?
To highlight the fact it's a new car being tested.

If it was uncamouflaged, I doubt anyone would actually notice.

Baldchap

1,754 posts

40 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
2Btoo said:
Why do car makers do it? (When did they start doing it - I don't recall this sort of thing 15 years ago). Is there anything more to it than my surmise above?
Certainly JLR were doing it 15 years ago - I used to drive near Coventry a lot and regularly saw their stuff covered in camo.

Ali_T

3,365 posts

205 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
Chestrockwell said:
The only big step up in the Golf GTI’s history would be the MK5, the introduction of that 2.0 turbo with 200 bhp and a whole new platform but since then, there isn’t much left to do to make a big change and step up.

I do agree re all journos loving VW. There’s never a bad word to say!
Never understood the love for the Mk5 as a hot hatch. It was completely outgunned for reliability and fun by Honda and they only managed to match Honda and Renault’s naturally aspirated by adding a turbo to their 2.0. It was a pleasant enough car but nothing to write home about. A hot hatch for people that didn’t like hot hatches, and to not offend Terry and June next door. It didn’t move the game forward, it merely made a half decent stab at catching up after the completely out of touch Mk43 and 4.

It played the same game as the Mk2. And your comment about the Mk2 needs revision as well. No other decent hot hatches? In the era of the 205 GTI and Renault 5 GT Turbo? Not to mention that, by the end of its production run, it was utterly outclassed in its own segment, again, by Honda and Renault (Civic VTi and 19 16V), and also by Fiat and the Tipo Sedicivalvole.

As for journalists and their love of GTIs, could VAGs marketing spend play a role...?


Edited by Ali_T on Friday 12th July 08:38

Ali_T

3,365 posts

205 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
Chestrockwell said:
Careful when you mention the word ‘Honda’, the angry mob will be here soon!
If only Honda would swallow their pride and secretly outsource the Civic’s styling to Pininfarina again, as the did with the EF and E.G. series.

wab172uk

1,471 posts

175 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
fellows4 said:
260HP is a disappointment when Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Renault are all offering at least 275-300HP for cheaper/at least as much as the GTI. And those cars have more exciting chassis.

I will be interesting indeed to see how VW keep up with the rest of the pack this generation.
The GTI has never been the most powerful. It doesn't need to be to be honest. More people will buy the Golf GTI than Civic Type-R's, Megane RS's etc put together.

But maybe the 260bhp will be the entry level. More power for the `Performance` version to come later.

The best news for me is the option to have a manual gearbox. Now I'm interested.

J4CKO

28,576 posts

148 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
Niffty951 said:
The mk2 Gti 8v remains one of my favourite hot hatches.

Steering feel and turn in to rival RWD's of the day, styling that made the 1.8 driver look as exciting as a shopping trolley when you parked the GTi alongside.

The GTi mk5 again moved the game on with that any gear driving ability and a drive so good that salesmen could rest easy knowing whatever you'd just been driving to compare it against the GTi would be better for ~£20k of your english pounds. It lost nothing of it's fun factor for the added refinement and had just enough styling to stand out in the carpark and feel special to walk back to.

.
Totally agree that the Mk2 was fantastic, but the driver was quite similar styling wise, the idea was that it has a bit of the GTI look but was cheaper and more easily insured, the GTI itself wasnt exactly that different from any other Golf, it was fairly subtle, but effective what they did but beyond the arch lips, driving lights and some red stripes, they didnt do all that much, you got steel wheels as standard, which looked better than most alloys to be fair.

Mk8 wise, "only 260 bhp", I find that the MK7 always punches above its weight, cant imagine a 10/15 bhp deficit will hamper it that much against the competition, expect it to be very competitive in its segment, they had a few turkeys but the MK7 went back to what the MK2 did, i.e. wasnt the fastest, lairiest or cheapest but it struck a fantastic balance.

Baldchap

1,754 posts

40 months

Friday 12th July
quotequote all
In my opinion, as a package the 7/7.5 is one of, if not the most complete package on sale today.