RE: Audi RS6 Avant (C6) | The Brave Pill

RE: Audi RS6 Avant (C6) | The Brave Pill

Saturday 20th July 2019

Audi RS6 Avant (C6) | The Brave Pill

Our first estate Pill is also the first with a V10 engine and an RS badge



Last week's De Tomaso Pantera was a resounding success with the vocal Pill commentariat, with much love for the brawny Italian evident despite its lack of road registration. Finding anything rarer or groovier was going to be a serious ask, so we've opted for something almost completely different. Don't worry, it still requires a serious amount of trouser clunkage from any potential buyers: a tuned Audi RS6.

As Pill has already argued out it won't be long before the very existence of cars like the C6 RS6 will be so unlikely to turn them as exotic as the De Tomaso. It comes from the period when German manufacturers all seemed determined to run into a stationery shop and unzip their corporate trousers in the ruler section, upsizing both engines and power outputs to crazy levels as they fought for supremacy. BMW led the way with front-mounted V10s, switching the E60 M5 to an deca-pot in 2005. Audi responded first with the naturally-aspirated 5.2-litre V10 in the C6-gen S6 in 2006. Then, two years later, the even more ludicrous twin-turbocharged 5.0-litre version that powers the RS6.

While the S6's sonorous enthusiasm for revs makes it a more unlikely powerplant for such a staid-looking car, the RS6's brutal performance projected it into a different league. The base engine was related to the V10 being used by the Lamborghini Gallardo at the same time, but the Audi's turbocharging meant it had slightly more power and much more torque than the supercar. With 571hp the RS6 was the most powerful road car Audi had produced to that point, a record that only fell when the second-gen R8 V10 Plus was launched.


Yet, ludicrously, there was still considerably more on the table. Even a gentle remap was enough to get the RS6 making 650hp, and our Pill has been given a slightly punchier Stage 2 reworking by Banbury-based MRC, resulting in 735hp and 770lb ft of torque - with dyno sheets supporting those numbers. Given the modest level of visual distinction between the RS6 and a 2.0-litre TDI S-Line of the same age, it has to represent the biggest disparity between mouth and trousers going. You'd struggle to pick a better car to fly under the radar in.

While straight line performance will be hugely amusing, the RS6's behaviour in corners is likely to raise fewer smiles. It comes from the era when RS models were expected to deliver their urge without any kind of drama, adhesion is normally total and without the more amusingly graduated limits of the contemporary M5 - which did come as a Touring estate - or even the 'W211' Mercedes E63 AMG. But while both rear-drivers offered the chance for some throttle-steered amusement, spectacularly so in the M5, neither would stand much of a chance of keeping up with the Audi in slippery conditions.

While the RS6 gets unsurprisingly understeery in tighter stuff - the chunky V10 sits entirely ahead of the front axle line - it is a superb distance-coverer. Big Quattro-driven Audis have always had a remarkable ability to find adhesion in the wet, but the range-topping C6 took this further than almost anything else. On the fresh Bridgestone S001 tyres our Pill is reportedly wearing the RS6 will digest a sodden motorway or Autobahn at huge speed with minimal drama. Seats are supportive and comfortable for continent-crossing stints and the rest of the C6's cabin has aged impressively well too. Granted, it's got buttons instead of touchscreens but even ten-year old Audi MMI is better than some rival's modern systems and the vendor also reports the maps were updated last year.


It won't be cheap to run, of course. The owner reports having seen up to 24mpg when cruising, which must have required spectacular throttle discipline or a tailwind blowing at tornado velocities. When new I took one to Scotland and was modestly impressed to see the trip computer reporting a 22mpg average when I arrived. Brimming the tank confirmed the system was flat-out lying, actual consumption was 17mpg over 400 miles of motorways and A-roads. Under harder use, that figure will soon be passing through comedy and towards outright tragedy. A hard-charging RS6 gets close to turning mpg into gpm.

It will also be expensive to keep this RS6 in the manner to which it seems to have become accustomed. Our Pill seems to have lived life in close proximity to a well-thumbed chequebook, with the seller reporting both a full main dealer history and offering an image of what looks like a solid inch of invoices. The most recent trip to a franchised service bay was made last October, the car getting new breather pipes, rear springs and a gearbox oil change among other things.

When newer our Pill was also subject to warranty work including new turbochargers and what looks like a replacement of the failure-prone oil pump seals which are one of this engine's known weak spots, and which can rack up thousands in labour costs by themselves. But beyond the "they all do that, sir" leaks and the wallet-slapping of everyday maintenance, an RS6 of this vintage is actually reckoned to be a pretty tough beast if kept in fettle.


Of course, any potential buyer will also need to factor in the extra risk that comes from the fact our Pill has been tuned and that extra performance has almost certainly been used and enjoyed; this middle-aged estate is our most powerful Pill to date. But the tuning work doesn't carry any price premium over regular cars so, to employ Pillnomics, that means it's actually better value.

For sensible types the very idea of a chipped car with more than 700hp is an investment as likely to turn bad as secondhand egg salad; for many Pill commentators it might not be brave enough. If you can think of a more discreet way to carry people and stuff enormously quickly we'd love to know what it is.


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sidewinder500

Original Poster:

1,143 posts

94 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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This one is brave indeed...

As much as this would be a giggle or two in a straight line, corners are no fun. My company 3.2 tdi was efficient and classy, apart from constantly failing satnav, but a little aloof and close to ponderousness.

The RS6 cranks this up to 15, but not in a really good way. Poke (especially tuned) is seemingly unreal, but wears thin after a while and all you are left with is an aging german barge with expected electrical and mechanical issues.
After all, at more than 10 yrs, these cars tend to fall apart, no matter what.

Nice, but way too brave and a little anorak for me. Only from far away.

Edited by sidewinder500 on Saturday 20th July 07:47

PSB1967

281 posts

156 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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I think this is more Niche Pill than Brave Pill. If dropping £19K on an 11 year old car, most would want a German badge. And I doubt there is much else selling at this price with those performance figures and maintenance history. It won't depreciate like a new 'anything boring' either. No more risk than an M car.
But I wouldn't want an Estate as a weekend car either, that car needs to have Sunday morning appeal,this is too useable. Yet it would cost me £350+ p/m in go-juice and Tax alone and that is sensible PCP money. An amazing car for the right person. Hats off to the current owner and to the next one!

XJSJohn

15,965 posts

219 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Seriously cool dog carrier.....

How well does the drive train handle 700bhp on these (i assume the actual motor is ok as long as its treated to fresh fluids regularly)

Good way to move the family across continents at Airline speeds but probably makes my Range Rover look frugal on the Motion Lotion.

slk 32

1,487 posts

193 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Only an idiot doesn't know the difference between stationery and stationary.

Any chance PH can get journalists who can spell or employ decent sub editors?

Cambs_Stuart

2,865 posts

84 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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That's got to be the cheapest way to get 700+bhp?

Trickytimes

32 posts

188 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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slk 32 said:
Only an idiot doesn't know the difference between stationery and stationary.

Any chance PH can get journalists who can spell or employ decent sub editors?
Any chance that you can avoid unnecessary, aggressive posts! A great article that you haven’t had to pay for. Hardly worth wanting to see the writer out of a job for a simple typo.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Cool one but I’m not that brave.

Sandpit Steve

10,031 posts

74 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Completely bonkers, and likely to be financially ruinous. Bloody good fun though! Good brave pill.

Xcore

1,344 posts

90 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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But which is more ruinous, a c5 or c6 rs6?!

Arsecati

2,308 posts

117 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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slk 32 said:
Only an idiot doesn't know the difference between stationery and stationary.

Any chance PH can get journalists who can spell or employ decent sub editors?
Wow, you realy are way to sensative about these things!

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

224 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Is the C6 really that brave?, I know the earlier ones had issues, think the gearbox was a weak point on them?, but I always thought the V10 model was pretty reliable and that the main cost would be fuel and servicing.
Either way I really like these, don’t think I’d have one as I rarely get to stretch my A5 3.0 TDIs legs there’s too much traffic and too many cameras in the SE, yet alone an RS6!, hope whoever buys it enjoys it though.

Arsecati

2,308 posts

117 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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sidewinder500 said:
This one is brave indeed...

As much as this would be a giggle or two in a straight line, corners are no fun. My company 3.2 tdi was efficient and classy, apart from constantly failing satnav, but a little aloof and close to ponderousness.

The RS6 cranks this up to 15, but not in a really good way. Poke (especially tuned) is seemingly unreal, but wears thin after a while and all you are left with is an aging german barge with expected electrical and mechanical issues.
After all, at more than 10 yrs, these cars tend to fall apart, no matter what.

Nice, but way too brave and a little anorak for me. Only from far away.

Edited by sidewinder500 on Saturday 20th July 07:47
What 3.2 TDi is that then?

As for your comment on these cars falling apart 'no matter what'. Well, I've had my 2007 A6 3.0TDi Avant (different shade of silver to this one) for more than 10 years and currently 210,000 miles. I've pondered the idea of changing it so many times, but as this car owes me absolutely zero and costs me nothing but standard service costs each year, I simply cannot justify it.

In ten years, it went in to limp mode just once (about 5 years ago), but still allowed me to get home. I plugged in my diagnostics tool and it told me 'air flow meter', so €140 delivered from Germany within 2 days and about 10 minutes in labour on my drive - that was it: the car has been and continues to be, faultless, and still looks and drives like a car with less than a quarter of the mileage.

Ok, not TOTALLY faultless: a couple of rear parking sensors, a drivers side window regulator and a rear windscreen wiper hose have had to be replaced over the last 10 years, but all came from eBay and fitted at my leisure, so I'm happy to accept that over 210k miles. Still stuns me every year when it goes in for its MOT, I keep thinking: 'this has GOT to be the year i get at least one fault!', but no, not even one single advisory in all that time........ touch wood.

Like anything else: look after it, and it will look after you. I bought it direct from the original owner with still a bit of Audi warranty on it, but since then, it's been meticulously maintained by myself, so I know exactly that all servicing and maintenance work has been done 100% perfectly when (and even when not!) needed. I'll keep changing my weekend toys on a regular basis - but this will continue to be my dependable daily for a good while to come yet.

bloomen

6,892 posts

159 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Sandpit Steve said:
Bloody good fun though! Good brave pill.
Would it really be all that much fun? You'd be able to have the very occasional monstrous squirt. 99.5% of the rest of your day you're lumbering around setting money on fire.

Shnozz

27,472 posts

271 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Great and unassuming daily. Badges off and a most amusing station car.

whp1983

1,171 posts

139 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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It won’t fall apart- it’s just how much do you want to spend to keep it going in top form. It’s still a £90k car to run.

More than any other brave pill recently this requires a pocket depth rivalling the Mariana Trench!

A fabulous thing- fair play to any new owner. I couldn’t enjoy it without endless worry of a finance destroying failure!

Plate spinner

17,696 posts

200 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Yup, you’d need a brave pill for this one!

Agree with another poster though - not special enough for a weekend car, so just turns it into a bloody expensive daily runner with some straight line punch. Wouldn’t be on my radar.

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Saturday 20th July 2019
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slk 32 said:
Only an idiot doesn't know the difference between stationery and stationary.

Any chance PH can get journalists who can spell or employ decent sub editors?
That's a very good point! Will make the change now. And there's never been a dedicated sub-ed at PH, which some might find easier to believe than others...

Cheers!


Matt

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Eyes wide open needed for this one, me thinks and I'm not convinced that it's really that special, sure, it's monstrously fast but they aren't they great a steer apart from that.

I'll probably get laughed out of the thread for comparing apples and oranges (and I appreciate the spirit of the brave pill threads and what they're all about) but if I had 19k to spend and needed a family barge it'd be a 535d all day long, sack buying this, it's not a weekend/occasion car, it's just a mental fast family car that'll cost you the earth to run.

Chestrockwell

2,627 posts

157 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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Arsecati said:
slk 32 said:
Only an idiot doesn't know the difference between stationery and stationary.

Any chance PH can get journalists who can spell or employ decent sub editors?
Wow, you realy are way to sensative about these things!
hehe



sidewinder500

Original Poster:

1,143 posts

94 months

Saturday 20th July 2019
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What 3.2 TDi is that then?

As for your comment on these cars falling apart 'no matter what'. Well, I've had my 2007 A6 3.0TDi Avant (different shade of silver to this one) for more than 10 years and currently 210,000 miles. I've pondered the idea of changing it so many times, but as this car owes me absolutely zero and costs me nothing but standard service costs each year, I simply cannot justify it.

In ten years, it went in to limp mode just once (about 5 years ago), but still allowed me to get home. I plugged in my diagnostics tool and it told me 'air flow meter', so €140 delivered from Germany within 2 days and about 10 minutes in labour on my drive - that was it: the car has been and continues to be, faultless, and still looks and drives like a car with less than a quarter of the mileage.

Ok, not TOTALLY faultless: a couple of rear parking sensors, a drivers side window regulator and a rear windscreen wiper hose have had to be replaced over the last 10 years, but all came from eBay and fitted at my leisure, so I'm happy to accept that over 210k miles. Still stuns me every year when it goes in for its MOT, I keep thinking: 'this has GOT to be the year i get at least one fault!', but no, not even one single advisory in all that time........ touch wood.

Like anything else: look after it, and it will look after you. I bought it direct from the original owner with still a bit of Audi warranty on it, but since then, it's been meticulously maintained by myself, so I know exactly that all servicing and maintenance work has been done 100% perfectly when (and even when not!) needed. I'll keep changing my weekend toys on a regular basis - but this will continue to be my dependable daily for a good while to come yet.

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3.2 was for petrol, 3.0 is derf, sorry for my mistake. It was a diesel I had, and a newish one which wasn't falling apart at that time, only failing satnav and small electrical niggles.
But I had a 2011 Cayenne S, bought as a 2 year old with 85k in '13, which was sold yesterday with 140k.
Always served by OPC on the spot, no money spared, but fouled glass roof drains (drenching the carpets), broken ac pipework, failing sensors, defective gearbox, perishing clamps, etc etc. had me in the end.
I was sick of having another issue to solve by the workshop.
Nothing against the capability of cars this ilk, and they may survive in the caring hands of understanding folk, but the costs of upkeep didn't relate anymore.
The cost cutting in certain areas took its toll.
Ever wondered why Japanese Cars almost never have electrical problems? They are rightly engineered AND use the correct diameter for their wiring. Germans car companies trying to squeeze the last ounce of profit skip on everything, usually hold together for the first stint as a leased company car, afterwards sod the customer and let them sort out the sometimes really cheap engineering and the accompanying problems with that.
German cars have build up their image for decades and are living on that stock alone.
Exceptions to the rule are unintended.