RE: Rodin FZed track car born from Lotus T125

RE: Rodin FZed track car born from Lotus T125

Monday 5th August 2019

Rodin FZed track car born from Lotus T125

Hethel-developed single seater provided the basis for this 675hp Kiwi track machine



Remember the defunct Lotus T125 project that attempted to bring F1-like performance to the wealthy track day enthusiast back in 2010? Well, it turns out all the work from that Bahar-era programme has not been entirely wasted, because New Zealand company Rodin has used it to create this new FZed single seater. The 675hp track day machine is finished and can actually be ordered now for USD $615,000 excluding taxes (so about £607k with VAT), meaning it’s about £143k cheaper than the likes of Porsche’s 935. Bargain.

That being said, the FZed is more concerned with rivalling second-hand single seaters than limited-run track hypercars like Stuttgart’s GT2 RS-based beast. Rodin claims that unlike an old F1 or GP2 car, the FZed has been designed with ease of use as a priority so it won’t require a Masters in mechanical engineering to be started up. The Cosworth GPV8 3.8-litre, for example, has links to the 2.4-litre eight that powered the old Lotus F1 car but its larger capacity and 12,000rpm rev limit means the components are considerably less stressed. The engine can run on 98 RON fuel for up to 3,000 miles between rebuilds.


The whole car only weighs 589kg, thanks largely to the use of carbon composites and aluminium in its construction, along with the obvious benefits in packaging for a thoroughbred single seater. The monocoque chassis and powertrain, which includes a paddle-operated Ricardo six-speed sequential gearbox, are joined structural components, meaning rigidity is comparable to a true racing car without the need for additional strengthening. The rest of the ingredients are equally as convincing; there are Ohlins four-way adjustable dampers and OZ Racing wheels wrapped in Avon slicks, as well as adjustable flaps on those previous era F1-influenced body panels

With a power-to-weight ratio of 1,146hp (even more than the bonkers V8-powered Seven we Spotted over the weekend!), Rodin claims that the car can accelerate from 0-62mph in 2.9 seconds and has a top speed of about 186mph, but that’s obviously dependent on the car’s aerodynamic setup. Nevertheless, the main draw for the T125-related FZed will likely be its hyper-reactivity and aerodynamic performance. If you’re the sort that has considerably more than half a million quid to splash on a track day toy, the temptation to experience some serious downforce must be quite the pull factor. Although if you’re feeling brave, there’s always this ex-Sato Jordan with an F3000 engine for £225k to provide similar thrills…


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TartanPaint

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2,986 posts

139 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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I'm looking forward to PPBB's take on this.

Does this get anywhere close to meeting his customers' needs for a usable parts testing car, or is a real ex-F1 chassis still way ahead in terms of capability?

Jon_S_Rally

3,403 posts

88 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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I was going to ask, would this be allowed on any track days? Or is it going to be a case of hiring a track to play on?

It's certainly cool, but it would be interesting to know whether it could actually be used.

Arsecati

2,308 posts

117 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Renting a track with a group of like minded souls is not difficult or expensive at all (relatively speaking!). If you had the money for this, you have plenty of options to play with it: you certainly ain't going to be taking it out at Snetterton to do battle with a load of Clio's and DC2's!

poppopbangbang

1,835 posts

141 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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TartanPaint said:
I'm looking forward to PPBB's take on this.

Does this get anywhere close to meeting his customers' needs for a usable parts testing car, or is a real ex-F1 chassis still way ahead in terms of capability?
Not one for us I'm afraid. Where the T125 was and as a result where this is vs a proper F1 car (even a back marker!) is just worlds apart. The aero budget on the Team Lotus F1 in 2010 was more than the whole of the T125 program for example. It's also worth noting that an ex F1 car has essentially completed 30K KMs of testing before you get it so they are pretty reliable in a lot of areas that the T125 wasn't. Finally an ex F1 car is a proper, real, actual, was on telly Formula 1 car that was part of the circus and traveled the world, something so many of these F1'alike projects miss as being extremely important to a lot of the guys who want this sort of thing. Afterall GP2 cars are really cheap and are faster than a T125 so if it was just about pace vs cost then you'd go and buy one of those. There is a place for this and the T125 variants in countries that can't get hold of ex F1 chassis easily or are limited in some other way (we are spoilt in Europe) but for me it's always going to be about the actual F1 cars due to the stories, teams and people that go with them.

You can have a reliable, 3000KM+ life, run it with one person, big service once a year, modern era Formula 1 car if you want. It's kind of what we do wink

andrewcliffe

958 posts

224 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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or you can buy a older GP2 car for £ 150k and spend the difference on track hire and your own personal race team.

The idea of the original Lotus was that they would be supplied with full factory support, so there would be a team there prepping the cars, someone giving you coaching, analysing your datalogging and generally giving a rich bloke the full race experience without the having to race wheel to wheel bit in the same way that Ferrari do for their Corse Clienti programme in older F1 cars and the FKXX evo road car things.


TartanPaint

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Monday 5th August 2019
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poppopbangbang said:
Not one for us I'm afraid. Where the T125 was and as a result where this is vs a proper F1 car (even a back marker!) is just worlds apart. The aero budget on the Team Lotus F1 in 2010 was more than the whole of the T125 program for example. It's also worth noting that an ex F1 car has essentially completed 30K KMs of testing before you get it so they are pretty reliable in a lot of areas that the T125 wasn't. Finally an ex F1 car is a proper, real, actual, was on telly Formula 1 car that was part of the circus and traveled the world, something so many of these F1'alike projects miss as being extremely important to a lot of the guys who want this sort of thing. Afterall GP2 cars are really cheap and are faster than a T125 so if it was just about pace vs cost then you'd go and buy one of those. There is a place for this and the T125 variants in countries that can't get hold of ex F1 chassis easily or are limited in some other way (we are spoilt in Europe) but for me it's always going to be about the actual F1 cars due to the stories, teams and people that go with them.

You can have a reliable, 3000KM+ life, run it with one person, big service once a year, modern era Formula 1 car if you want. It's kind of what we do wink
Great insight, much appreciated. Thank you!

simonrockman

6,852 posts

255 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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When Caterham was Lotus F1 I saw a T125 in the showroom.

Sandpit Steve

10,028 posts

74 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Arsecati said:
Renting a track with a group of like minded souls is not difficult or expensive at all (relatively speaking!). If you had the money for this, you have plenty of options to play with it: you certainly ain't going to be taking it out at Snetterton to do battle with a load of Clio's and DC2's!
My theoretical £600k goes on a dozen F3 cars (last year’s model, before they got DRS and Halo and needed a man with a laptop to start it up). At least that way I can invite a few friends to my own private track day. Also cheap to fix when someone inevitably bins it!

Jon_S_Rally

3,403 posts

88 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Arsecati said:
Renting a track with a group of like minded souls is not difficult or expensive at all (relatively speaking!). If you had the money for this, you have plenty of options to play with it: you certainly ain't going to be taking it out at Snetterton to do battle with a load of Clio's and DC2's!
A friend of mine did actually inquire about hiring Snetterton. I can't remember what the cost was off the top of my head.

As you say, I'm sure there are people out there that might have the means, but I do wonder what kind of rules there would be. How would something like this sit with noise regs etc I wonder.

poppopbangbang

1,835 posts

141 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Sandpit Steve said:
My theoretical £600k goes on a dozen F3 cars (last year’s model, before they got DRS and Halo and needed a man with a laptop to start it up). At least that way I can invite a few friends to my own private track day. Also cheap to fix when someone inevitably bins it!
Last years F3 cars still needed chaps with laptops and the bits were anything but cheap, especially considering most teams ran their own aero program!

poppopbangbang

1,835 posts

141 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Jon_S_Rally said:
A friend of mine did actually inquire about hiring Snetterton. I can't remember what the cost was off the top of my head.

As you say, I'm sure there are people out there that might have the means, but I do wonder what kind of rules there would be. How would something like this sit with noise regs etc I wonder.
£13K for an unsilenced day of exclusive hire at Snett. That's no noise restrictions, access to garages or scruit bays to run from and access the night before for setup. Doesn't include lunch though.

Sandpit Steve

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74 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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poppopbangbang said:
Last years F3 cars still needed chaps with laptops and the bits were anything but cheap, especially considering most teams ran their own aero program!
Damn, so what does a rich man use to invite a few friends racing that doesn’t involve men with laptops and can be fixed with spec parts?

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

224 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Sandpit Steve said:
poppopbangbang said:
Last years F3 cars still needed chaps with laptops and the bits were anything but cheap, especially considering most teams ran their own aero program!
Damn, so what does a rich man use to invite a few friends racing that doesn’t involve men with laptops and can be fixed with spec parts?
Radical.

MDL111

6,920 posts

177 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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The Crack Fox said:
Track use? Which track? Which operator? For what?!

Surely this thing is way too potent (and noisy!) to be allowed on a regular trackday. And if you had this much money, you'd be able to afford to go proper racing, not just driving in circles at Bedford or whatever. And then you'll find that this car almost certainly doesn't meet the criteria for whatever racing formula you're looking at. So it gets left in some millionaires garage for willy-waving purposes. It's a nice project, but why?!

I want to be wrong. Someone help me...
Park it at Ascari and use for days there (you get c 50 a year for the annual membership fee)

thegreenhell

15,318 posts

219 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Did they make this with a slightly larger cockpit than the real racers to suit the average, powerfully-built millionaire, or do you still need to be a pint-size jockey to fit comfortably?

poppopbangbang

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141 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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thegreenhell said:
Did they make this with a slightly larger cockpit than the real racers to suit the average, powerfully-built millionaire, or do you still need to be a pint-size jockey to fit comfortably?
You can fit in a modern F1 car at 6ft 7" and 100KG no problem. The removable safety seat that's been spec since 2000 makes it really easy to produce a new safety seat in none 60KG racing snake spec and generally most tubs have a decent amount of options for pedal positions or you just make a new pedal box to suit as the location of the masters is usually very far forwards and carrier off the front bulkhead.

There are so many myths about how F1s are impossible to drive, only fit tiny drivers or cost a million quid every time you start them but actually they're pretty accommodating, have massive mechanical and aero grip and are hugely rewarding to own as even driven at 60% of capability they are quicker than 99.9% of circuit cars. If you want to make the personal investment in human performance and driver training to get you to low 90%'s of possible performance then you're one of the fastest circuit drivers on the planet after the current crop of F1 drivers. For a big chunk less than an Enzo/Veyron/that sort of thing you can have a modern F1 car with full spares and engineering support (so basically everything you need to run it on an ongoing basis) and all the human performance/training/support you require as a driver to make the most of it - so whilst they are certainly not cheap they are just as possible to own as the various hypercars that are out there today and they don't depreciate when you put KMs on them laugh

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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poppopbangbang said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
A friend of mine did actually inquire about hiring Snetterton. I can't remember what the cost was off the top of my head.

As you say, I'm sure there are people out there that might have the means, but I do wonder what kind of rules there would be. How would something like this sit with noise regs etc I wonder.
£13K for an unsilenced day of exclusive hire at Snett. That's no noise restrictions, access to garages or scruit bays to run from and access the night before for setup. Doesn't include lunch though.
I might be wrong but surely you could rock up to a test day rather than normal track day with one of these ans go out with the F3/British GT/Toueing cars?

Jon_S_Rally

3,403 posts

88 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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poppopbangbang said:
£13K for an unsilenced day of exclusive hire at Snett. That's no noise restrictions, access to garages or scruit bays to run from and access the night before for setup. Doesn't include lunch though.
Thanks! Not bad to be honest.

thegreenhell

15,318 posts

219 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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poppopbangbang said:
thegreenhell said:
Did they make this with a slightly larger cockpit than the real racers to suit the average, powerfully-built millionaire, or do you still need to be a pint-size jockey to fit comfortably?
You can fit in a modern F1 car at 6ft 7" and 100KG no problem. The removable safety seat that's been spec since 2000 makes it really easy to produce a new safety seat in none 60KG racing snake spec and generally most tubs have a decent amount of options for pedal positions or you just make a new pedal box to suit as the location of the masters is usually very far forwards and carrier off the front bulkhead.
Thanks. So the only barrier for me then is the million quid to fund it.

Zumbruk

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260 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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That's just silly. Why not go actual racing? Or buy an old FF car?