RE: Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf | Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf | Spotted

Sunday 15th September 2019

Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf | Spotted

A hot hatch has been notable for its absence from Alfa's Quadrifoglio renaissance - so how about an old one?



From absolutely nowhere, from being so far off the enthusiast radar as to not even register, the most recent Alfa Quadrifoglios have been an absolute revelation. Both Giulia and Stelvio have been the most exciting arrivals in their respective segments for years, combining a powertrain of exquisite quality with dynamic excitement and no little finesse. That they both carry that illustrious Alfa badge will surely have done their cause no harm at all, either.

But something has been missing - a hot hatch. We're living in a great time for the sector, with Ford on fine form, Hyundai making an excellent first appearance, Renault delivering both sublime and ridiculous and even Toyota having a stab once more. Alfa Romeo would be a welcome addition to that group; a car that could distil the Quadrifoglio panache and prowess into a smaller, more accessible package would surely be something very special indeed.

The problem is Alfa's lack of a suitable base product, both MiTo and Giulietta being old and easily outclassed. Even when they did attempt fast versions (five years ago now), they weren't up to scratch, so it's a daydream that's going to have to wait until their replacements at the very least.


Regardless, the successful rebirth of the fast Alfa Romeo inevitably draws the attention back to Cloverleafs of yore. And, specifically for the sake of this story, the 145 Cloverleaf, a car which appears to offer an affordable and interesting route into classic Alfa (and ergo classic Italian) ownership.

The 145 Cloverleaf (and even gawkier, five-door 146) was no great hot hatch icon, but there's probably more to recommend it than you might think. When Autocar bought a Cloverleaf far more used than this one, it was praised for its "great engine" and "peachy chassis", so while it might not be remembered like a Clio Williams or 306 GTI-6, it's certainly no duffer.

Particularly so given the state of this one. It's on half the mileage that the Autocar Cloverleaf was on nearly a decade ago, and sits nicely on a set of O.Z. wheels. Being racing red means this 145, naturally, is one of the fastest Cloverleafs around as well. The ad describes it as "a nice car that drives well" but needs tidying up a bit - surely par for the course at 22 years old for anything that once was less than £20k.


Now it's yours for £3,000, which looks mighty tempting given the Alfa's rarity, curio appeal and performance. The downside? It's a Japanese car, recently brought into the country by the selling dealer and said to be rust free. If its import status can be overcome, the Cloverleaf looks to be a perfect start classic - as well as a reminder of how sweet naturally-aspirated hot hatches can be.

And if not? Handily, there are two more UK Cloverleafs currently for sale, which must be some kind of PH record. One is a Proteo Red car, a private sale that's even cheaper than this one; the other a trade sale at £4k. So you could have all of them for less than £10,000, and that doesn't seem a situation that will last for long. Especially so if Alfa does finally pull its finger out and deliver another Cloverleaf hot hatch worthy of the name. Until then, the Japanese car on the funky wheels will suit just fine...


SPECIFICATION - ALFA ROMEO 145 CLOVERLEAF

Engine: 1,970cc, four-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 155@6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 138@4,000rpm
MPG: 30
CO2: 210g/km
First registered: 1997
Recorded mileage: 87,000
Price new: £14,884 (1996)
Yours for: £2,950

See the original advert here

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only1ian

Original Poster:

688 posts

194 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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I had a 145 cloverleaf and confirm it drove really well. Far better than my GTV TS of the same era. Why you would swap out the original wheels for these OZ versions I’m not sure.

Court_S

12,925 posts

177 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Can’t decide if I still like these or not; I used to love them but now can’t decide if they’re cool because they’re rare or if father time has been particularly unkind to them.

I remember going with an uncle to look at one a fair while ago. Whilst it was cool to a teenage me it did feel a bit flimsy back then. God knows what they feel like now.

carinaman

21,289 posts

172 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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The hatchback vertical edge on the OS looks out of line from top to bottom?

Toma500

1,221 posts

253 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Had a 145c leaf ran it for 5 yrs bought for £9995 sold for £1500 was a great car to drive a terrible car to run more expensive per mile than my griff . The dealers really were crap as well seems that hasnt changed much either i found a really good indy to help with it but the bills really were eye watering .

benzinbob

750 posts

56 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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What’s the issue with buying Japanese imports? I thought that with their climate and strict MOT it’d be a good move?..

Mike1990

964 posts

131 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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The awful square plates and OZ’s ruin it for me but can be rectified easy enough.

martin12345

603 posts

89 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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benzinbob said:
What’s the issue with buying Japanese imports? I thought that with their climate and strict MOT it’d be a good move?..
That's exactly what I thought - I run a re-imported Japanese Jaguar XJR and I see basically no downsides as it's been well maintained and is 99.9% rust free despite being 17 years old (1 year in UK)

The only thing that worries me is that there are one or two Jap spec specific parts (engine ECU for example) that if they fail I will have to replace them with UK spec parts and that might mean I have to change some extra parts as well to keep them compatible. With an XJR it does not worry me that much as there are loads of UK cars in breakers/on ebay as UK original cars are rusting out routinely now. With a rarer italian car this might be more of a problem I guess

Other than that it's just the (to me) curious view of some (my cousin for example) that if it's not a UK car then it's not genuine - personally I don't get that but everyone is entitled to their opinions

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Period looks add to the cool factor IMO.

jase_llan

148 posts

57 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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benzinbob said:
What’s the issue with buying Japanese imports? I thought that with their climate and strict MOT it’d be a good move?..
It's the insurance cost, grey imports are almost always more expensive to insure than their UK market equivalents - take my friend's 350Z which he could insure for less than half the quote on a Fairlady Z (which is the same car). If you can live with that (being under 25 I couldn't) then JDM imports are perfect for the reasons you state above!

Cambs_Stuart

2,862 posts

84 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Looks fantastic. I really like the "of it's time" style. And, being an import, no rust to worry about.
I'd imagine those OZ wheel would fetch a decent price, if you wanted to swap for teledials, assuming they're not an odd PCD size.

Ganz

3 posts

75 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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I've still got my 1996 QV. It's done 156k miles, 76k miles of which I've put on. I've had it over 12 years. A great car. Love the engine and with lowered suspension it feels really planted. Obviously I've polly bushed it and bigger ARB arms, strut brace. I'd like a lightened flywheel and some Colombo cams to push it to 180 bhp.

jontykint

789 posts

129 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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It always puzzles me when people talk about Japan's climate

For example
London has av 600mm rain/year in 109 days
Tokyo has av 1500mm rain/year in 114 days

That's pretty wet !

Can anyone explain why their climate is better?

Sion111R

311 posts

92 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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I’m told they don’t use salt on their roads as we do,

Bussolini

11,574 posts

85 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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jontykint said:
It always puzzles me when people talk about Japan's climate

For example
London has av 600mm rain/year in 109 days
Tokyo has av 1500mm rain/year in 114 days

That's pretty wet !

Can anyone explain why their climate is better?
Is it not they don't salt the roads rather than it rains less?

Poppiecock

943 posts

58 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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That's had a smack up the arse.

Good cars, but finding a good straight one is near impossible these days.

Amazingly, it's easier to find a 146Ti, which is the same car in a sensible 5 door shell.

Edited by Poppiecock on Sunday 15th September 17:26

T-195

2,671 posts

61 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Mike1990 said:
The awful square plates and OZ’s ruin it for me but can be rectified easy enough.
Plus the stty rear spoiler.

And the tinted rear windows.

ChevronB19

5,776 posts

163 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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I love these, and would have one in a heartbeat if I could find a good one.

MoT history of the 4K dealer one is ‘interesting’...

usualdog

230 posts

163 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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I've had two, one bought new, one track day special. Lovely quick steering. The main issue was the driving position.

s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1148140



Worth checking MOT history

Edited by s m on Sunday 15th September 20:15

ZX10R NIN

27,592 posts

125 months

Sunday 15th September 2019
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Never knew these existed.