RE: Ford v. Ferrari trailer 2 | Time For Tea

RE: Ford v. Ferrari trailer 2 | Time For Tea

Wednesday 18th September 2019

Ford v. Ferrari trailer 2 | Time For Tea?

We've only two months to go before the story of Ford's rise to Le Mans dominance hits the silver screen - time for another sneak peek



The story surrounding Ford’s path to victory at Le Mans is the stuff of legend, so it’s a wonder that Hollywood hadn’t already made a film about it. While 1971’s ‘Le Mans’ captured the passion and danger of the 24-hour race it focussed on Porsche, meaning the story of how the Blue Oval halted Ferrari’s winning run in 1966 never made it to the silver screen.

That’s set to change from the November 15th, when a new film called Ford v Ferrari (best to keep things simple, eh) hits theatres with Matt Damon and Christian Bale in the roles of Carroll Shelby and racing legend Ken Miles respectively. In the run up to its launch a second trailer has been released to whet the appetite, with more footage of the GT40’s development story both on and off the track, lots of V8 goodness and – new for this trailer – even the back and forth jibes from Enzo Ferrari and Henry Ford.

Nevertheless, we’ll admit to being a little concerned by Bale’s character’s claim that they’ve “90 days” to produce a Ferrari-beating car. Hopefully Disney hasn’t omitted the extensive work carried out in Slough to develop Ford’s racing car from a Lola Mk6 base before Shelby’s involvement, because that would be quite a substantial misinterpretation of the actual story…

This is just a trailer, though, so we’ll cut it some slack for now; let’s just be happy to see a story as iconic as this finally reaching the big screen. Hopefully we’ll all still be happy when we walk out of theatres in two months’ time.

 

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pycraft

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778 posts

184 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Gosh, I hope you're not implying this American movie will rewrite history to remove key British involvement and turn it into a purely American achievement?

CoughcoughU571cough

LotusOmega375D

7,613 posts

153 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Hmm, so probably the biggest car company in the world bank-rolled a race car programme over several years using outside designs and contractors to win a single race and eventually managed to beat a tiny rival company who had won it 6 years on the bounce, despite only selling a handful of cars each year. Hardly a struggle against all the odds is it?

At least Goliath will eventually give David a good hiding in this Hollywood epic!

mynameistim

39 posts

157 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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A Ferrari-beating car in 90 days? Pah! Queen Victoria invented the Mini in less than an hour.

rev-erend

21,412 posts

284 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Looks superb. Can't wait.

MikeGalos

261 posts

284 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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pycraft said:
Gosh, I hope you're not implying this American movie will rewrite history to remove key British involvement and turn it into a purely American achievement?
You mean like the way Hollywood rewrote history to say Alan Turing and a few dozen British amateurs broke the German Enigma code?

Coughcough Marian Rejewski at the Polish Cipher Bureau before the war started cough


Wild Card 911

86 posts

146 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Another wonderful and promising trailer for this movie. I´m hoping so much it delivers on the entertainment/car movie stakes.
However, a great shame they chose to so blatently rewrite the history book, rather than relate an equally enthralling true story.

The quoted 90 days was the time it took designer Peter Brock, with the support and help of Phil Remmington and some of Shelby´s workshop crew, to build the (in this film, completely ignored) front engined 289 powered Cobra Daytona Coupe at the end of 1963.
From laying out the lines on the floor of the workshop to testing the new car at Riverside. It was built to create the most aerodynamic form around the Cobra Roadster chassis with the tall Ken Miles sitting in it.

The "Ferrari´s ass is mine" story initially surrounded the Daytona Coupe, and its development from running its first race at Daytona in 1964, up until taking the FIA GT Sportscar Championship from Ferrari in 1965.

After that, the Daytonas (six original race cars were bult) were retired, when Shelby´s full attention was needed to help sort out the GT40.
The GT40 development took longer (a complete new mid-engined chassis) starting its evolution from the Lola MkVI, that ran in Le Mans in 1963. It´s body was designed by Ford designers in Detroit, with much technical input from Eric Broadley, Shelby and John Wyer.
It won the championship outright, for the first time in 1966.

In the film, the story of both cars have been mixed into one. A great film script, I´m sure it is.

However, the Daytona story on its own, would make an incredible film, with much intrigue and many colourful personalities involved.
I hope it happens, some day!

Edited by Wild Card 911 on Wednesday 18th September 16:20

Bizzarini

710 posts

267 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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...and a great sound track by Greta van Fleet !

Augustus Windsock

3,366 posts

155 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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LotusOmega375D said:
Hmm, so probably the biggest car company in the world bank-rolled a race car programme over several years using outside designs and contractors to win a single race and eventually managed to beat a tiny rival company who had won it 6 years on the bounce, despite only selling a handful of cars each year. Hardly a struggle against all the odds is it?

At least Goliath will eventually give David a good hiding in this Hollywood epic!
I see what you’re saying but in the inimitable words of Nigel Molesworth (Down with Skool, and Back in the Jugane, etc which were an essential read when I went to Grammar School...), chiz; as any fule no, Ferrari had plenty of years experience racing as a complete team in F1 and Enzo opined that the road cars were only built to support his racing.
Unlike Ford who had to start, effectively from scratch, basing their car on a Lola mk6 (?)
I think that gave them a considerable head start over a behemoth like Ford, who, let’s remember, only got the DFV into F1 a year after the 1966 victory.

And it took a huge $ sledgehammer to crack the Le Mans / Ferrari nut, costing more iirc than it would have cost to buy Ferrari in that infamously abandoned deal

As for the film I just hope we don’t have any of that stupid ‘Fast & Furious’ rubbish where they are going flat out and then slam the loud pedal to the bulkhead to emphasise an overtake at breakneck speed...

Jellinek

274 posts

275 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Been unable to watch Matt Damon in anything sine Team America. Wonder if he’s going to “science the sh@& t out of race driv’n”

Roma101

838 posts

147 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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MikeGalos said:
pycraft said:
Gosh, I hope you're not implying this American movie will rewrite history to remove key British involvement and turn it into a purely American achievement?
You mean like the way Hollywood rewrote history to say Alan Turing and a few dozen British amateurs broke the German Enigma code?

Coughcough Marian Rejewski at the Polish Cipher Bureau before the war started cough
I think you might be over-simplifying things a bit there.

Also, you can’t compare the two movies. One clearly never happened, ie it wasn’t the Americans. The other clearly did happen, ie Turing and co cracking codes at BP. The fact the latter didn’t acknowledge or show the huge contribution by the Poles doesn’t mean what was shown was not true, just that it wasn’t necessarily the whole truth.

But you are right to raise the point that the Poles contributed enormously towards the breaking of German codes.

spikyone

1,451 posts

100 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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Augustus Windsock said:
As for the film I just hope we don’t have any of that stupid ‘Fast & Furious’ rubbish where they are going flat out and then slam the loud pedal to the bulkhead to emphasise an overtake at breakneck speed...
Sadly, it looks very much like that. Lots of horribly unrealistic camera angles that could only be CGI or filmed at a very slow speed, crashes that look more like the Hulk threw the cars, and the obligatory upshift to go much faster when two cars are side by side. You always knew you had another gear, if it's that much faster why weren't you already using it?!

I'll forgive most of that if it's a decent movie though. Rush suffered many of the same issues, but Daniel Bruhl's performance as Lauda gave it a bit of a free pass. FvF has Christian Bale, so there's cause for at least a little optimism.

P-Jay

10,564 posts

191 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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So, I get the impression Ken Miles had a tricky personality then?

BVB

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153 months

Friday 20th September 2019
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I hope this film emphasises how tiny a company Ferrari are/were in comparison to whopping behemoth Ford. Also the fact that Ford used almost twice the cubic capacity of the Ferrari engine. Basically Ford spat their dummy out when Enzo refused to sell the company to them.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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BVB said:
I hope this film emphasises how tiny a company Ferrari are/were in comparison to whopping behemoth Ford. Also the fact that Ford used almost twice the cubic capacity of the Ferrari engine. Basically Ford spat their dummy out when Enzo refused to sell the company to them.
Your partisan Ferrari posts know no bounds it seems.

Why not enjoy the film for what it is - a great story based on true events.






Eric Mc

122,007 posts

265 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Saw the trailer last night when I went to see "Midway". Looks good and will certainly pop along to watch it.

Trevatanus

11,122 posts

150 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Tickets booked for tonight, very excited, even the Mrs is excited, but I am guessing this is due to the presence of Mr's Damon and Bale smile

Maldini35

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188 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Trevatanus said:
Tickets booked for tonight, very excited, even the Mrs is excited, but I am guessing this is due to the presence of Mr's Damon and Bale smile
laugh





Trevatanus

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150 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Maldini35 said:
Trevatanus said:
Tickets booked for tonight, very excited, even the Mrs is excited, but I am guessing this is due to the presence of Mr's Damon and Bale smile
laugh
Highly recommended, brilliantly shot, Christian Bale was excellent, and the cars! Definitely one for the Blu-Ray collection!

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Saw this film this eve at the Waterloo iMax and really enjoyed the film - had read nothing about the film in advance and was pleasantly surprised.

Worth a trip to the cinema for any petrol head!

mudnomad

3,996 posts

184 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Try to watch it in 4dx - it's like it was made for this movie!