RE: The Second Coming of the S6 | PH Footnote

RE: The Second Coming of the S6 | PH Footnote

Saturday 12th October 2019

The Second Coming of the S6 | PH Footnote

Burning oil ought to be the end of Audi's fast estate. Or a brave new beginning



Nine hundred words from now, I fear one or two of you will be demanding I hand in my PH membership card. But hear me out. For several of the Audi S6's 25 years so far, it was offered for sale with a naturally-aspirated V10 engine related (however distantly) to that found in a Lamborghini supercar. Such a thing seems unthinkable today, but that model only went off sale eight years ago. And yet, now that the S6 is powered by a 3.0-litre V6 that drinks from the black pump, I reckon it's a better car than ever before.

Better is the right word. I adore the idea of a big executive saloon or estate car being walloped along the road by a death metal V10, all blood, thunder and particulates. But the reality? I'm not so sure. It's far too easy for people like me to have a car delivered to my front door with the tank brimmed, to drive it as hard as I dare for a few days until that tank is all but dry, declare the car to be wonderful and then leave it motionless outside my house until the delivery man comes to take it away again. Blissfully unaware, of course, that he stands only a fair to middling chance of making it to the nearest petrol station.

Point is, actually living with a hefty car that's motorised by a 5.2-litre V10 probably becomes a little wearisome once the novelty has worn off. Even if some other poor sod is picking up the tab, a car like the C6-era S6 will almost certainly become frustrating due to its meagre range between fill-ups. We all have our own measures of what constitutes acceptable range and I have mine - if I can't get from home in Bristol to Gatwick airport and back without refuelling, I'm going to get cross. The V10 S6 won't manage it.


This is especially true when we're taking about an everyday machine that's designed for the express purpose of covering ground quickly and in comfort. A sub-300 mile range I can live with if the car is a Lamborghini; not so much if it's an Audi estate.

Of course, Audi replaced the C6 model with the C7 in 2012, by which point the adults had wrest back control of the product planning department from the chimps that had surely taken over several years before. The thunderous V10 had been swapped out for a smaller, more efficient and yet more powerful 4.0-litre petrol V8 with turbos, too, meaning the S6's fuel consumption was no longer so tragic it could set pencils a-twitching at OPEC. But much of the car's character had been lost as well.

And so here we are, a few years further down the line, looking at the latest version. My colleagues have already reviewed it very thoroughly so I won't bother doing so myself, except to say the turbodiesel V6 that makes this version so different in persona to the earlier models also makes it, in my view, a more rounded machine. Audi reckons you'll get 36mpg on the combined cycle, which is probably achievable if you drive like a nun, and that between fill-ups it should manage more than 600 miles. Which is the real game-changer.

Importantly, the new diesel engine is a very fine piece of kit. With an electrically powered compressor the turbocharger can be a very large item, because the typical issue of turbo lag has already been overcome. And so from three litres and six cylinders, Audi has squeezed a useful 349hp and a mighty 516lb ft of torque. This engine has the strength and muscularity of an eight-cylinder turbodiesel (although it does of course still behave like a conventional diesel with a narrow power band and no manner of top end whatsoever). But with a little augmentation it even sounds good. Almost like a very large capacity petrol V8.


What's curious about this switch to diesel is the timing of it. Just as everybody else seems to be turning away from the stuff, Audi has only now discovered its virtues in the context of a rapid executive car. That's a bit like realising early in 2005 that your absolute favourite countryside pursuit is fox hunting. But I'm sold on it. What's really clever about this move is that the S6 and forthcoming RS6 now serve very different purposes, whereas for a long time the S6 was simply the model you bought because you couldn't afford the faster one. Between them, the new models will cover many more ideological bases.

Besides, if you really abhor the idea of filling up from the black pump, you can always sink the £60,000 or so you'll need to buy a new S6 into a two-year-old RS6 Performance, complete with steroidal body builder shoulders and thumping 600hp V8. Petrol, obviously.

I'll leave you with one last thought. What I like most about this new S6 is that in making such a bold philosophical about-turn, Audi has wriggled free of the unhelpful and completely banal obsession with making new performance models faster and more powerful than earlier ones, an obsession that grips seemingly every other manufacturer. The drop in power from C7 S6 to this latest version is no less than 101hp. But in marketing a new model that isn't as fast on paper as the previous one but more well-rounded in the real world, Audi has done something few car makers seem prepared to: it has acknowledged that car buyers are smart enough to understand that more doesn't necessarily mean better.


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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

1,773 posts

97 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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So much comparison with its predecessors needed.. Really, how good it is objectively and in relation to its current rivals is all I care to learn.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Science - diesels are bad m,kay

Audi - fk the planet and hold my beer

jmcc500

644 posts

218 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Politics - diesels are bad m,kay

Science - fossil fuels are bad

Audi - fk the planet and hold my beer
Fixed?

whp1983

1,172 posts

139 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Hmm... and yet if Audi really thought that they wouldn’t have continued with the S6, S5 and S7 being petrol in other areas- USA for example.

Bottom line is they needed to reduce CO2 across the group in Europe and had a ton of Diesel engines around that were destined for large Porsches.

It’s a marriage of spare parts and legislation, sadly not engineering.

Court_S

12,932 posts

177 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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It is a good point about differentiating it from the RS6.

I see a lot of modern RS cars about but very few if an S Cars (other than the S3).

It still seems like an odd choice now given the move away from diesel and with the VW diesel scandal still in people’s memories.

Baldchap

7,634 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Does anyone genuinely care about dieselgate though?

annodomini2

6,861 posts

251 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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The thing Audi have screwed up with the new line up is not that they are diesel, it's that it's the same diesel in the S4 and S6.

The 6 is nearly £14k more than the 4 (list price), for a slightly larger car.

That for most people doesn't justify the cost difference.

Especially as in general use the A6 is of anything too big for the UK.

I know I have one albeit an older version.

Mike335i

5,004 posts

102 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I'm not sure I get the point of it though. Is a 50tdi that much slower in the real world to make the premium worth it?

This to me is now just a higher trim level A6, where before they was at least a special engine to differentiate the S versions.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Mike335i said:
I'm not sure I get the point of it though. Is a 50tdi that much slower to make the premium worth it?
No, not at all.

Totally pointless to me, no one will convince me that an Sx Audi should have an oil burner.

blue al

944 posts

159 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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i see it as good news in 3 years time at sub 20k
Depreciation will be our friend here

cerb4.5lee

30,573 posts

180 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Mat Watson didn't like this much at all when he reviewed it and he couldn't understand why it had a S badge on it. He said that you may as well save your cash and go for the normal diesel model. I'd have to agree.

Bill

52,750 posts

255 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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annodomini2 said:
Especially as in general use the A6 is of anything too big for the UK.
Huh?!?

belleair302

6,843 posts

207 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I still dont want an Audi, never have, never will. For the money an AMG is the better car for the motoring enthusiast and I would rather go hybrid or full E than diesel. A decision made by accountants and the spare parts division not engineers.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Bill said:
annodomini2 said:
Especially as in general use the A6 is of anything too big for the UK.
Huh?!?
The RS6 does not fit in normal car parking spaces, even my space at home it sticks out way over each end by some way


Bill

52,750 posts

255 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
The RS6 does not fit in normal car parking spaces, even my space at home it sticks out way over each end by some way
The width is ok though? It can't be bigger than a 4x4 surely??

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Bill said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
The RS6 does not fit in normal car parking spaces, even my space at home it sticks out way over each end by some way
The width is ok though? It can't be bigger than a 4x4 surely??
It is a wide car, I have not driven any of the monster SUVs thou to compare it with

Generally I would say the A6 and E class estates are massive

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Court_S said:
It is a good point about differentiating it from the RS6.

I see a lot of modern RS cars about but very few if an S Cars (other than the S3).

It still seems like an odd choice now given the move away from diesel and with the VW diesel scandal still in people’s memories.
I would assume more S4 & S6 sales are company lease deals anyway. So maybe Diesel make more sense and may actually push up sales. Like you say not many S4 & S6 cars on our roads, but loads of 340d, 540d, and equivalent mercs.

The S3 (I have a Saloon) is a smaller car and being an A3, falls more into the private buyers bracket, where most people will probably opt for Petrol, given the lower annual miles compared to a company car owner.

I always like the S4. It was a sports saloon. But it's grown into a big car now, so not likely to be bought by private owners looking for a sporty Saloon car. That is now the S3.

JD

2,774 posts

228 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Seems like PH have swallowed the marketing guff.

As someone posted above, if this was true they would stop making the petrol versions in the US.

If the new S7 is a barometer; you will likely be able to soon get a hybrid PETROL version (55 TFSIe) not badged S that will have more power, and be better on fuel.





Edited by JD on Saturday 12th October 11:14

annodomini2

6,861 posts

251 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Bill said:
annodomini2 said:
Especially as in general use the A6 is of anything too big for the UK.
Huh?!?
The RS6 does not fit in normal car parking spaces, even my space at home it sticks out way over each end by some way
Front doors being long and very thick doesn't help either.

Water Fairy

5,503 posts

155 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Take the S badge off and it is simply a very capable, refined, practical and thrungtastic family car. Put the S badge on and people can't help but bring out all the cynical comparisons.

I believe a debadge is free, even from a dealer?