RE: VW T-Roc R | Driven

RE: VW T-Roc R | Driven

Saturday 19th October 2019

2020 VW T-Roc R | PH Review

The first R division crossover has been developed by the team behind the GTI Clubsport S - so does it deliver?



It’s hard not to slightly absorb the optimism of VW R boss Jost Capito, who’s a ball of energy when he introduces us to the new T-Roc R in Nice. “I am very excited to see what you think because we’re very happy with this car,” he says with a big smile on his face, before we head off to the nearby mountain passes. “This is a car we’ve worked very hard on to be perfect for the B-roads. Benny Leuchter [VW’s TCR racing driver] has been driving it absolutely flat out at the Nordschleife and the surrounding roads. It really is special; I think you’ll be impressed.”

Jost gets straight to it, skimming over the boring bits to tell us that Benny – the Ring Meister you may remember helped finalise the Golf Clubsport S’s sweet chassis – focussed much development time on enhancing the T-Roc R’s balance, fine-tuning its steering and improving brake feel. Music to our ears. Jost goes on to say that the T-Roc R is a totally different proposition to the Golf R despite the obvious similarities, which we’ll touch on in a sec, because of its different target market. He promises that it’s more youthful in character.


Still, there’s no getting around the technical similarities. The T-Roc R pinches the Golf’s 2.0 TSI in identical 300hp and 295lb ft form, drives through a seven-speed DSG and uses 4Motion hardware. Then there’s the usual standard passive suspension setup or optional adaptive dampers, an optional Akrapovic exhaust system (for £3k!) and a predictable R makeover that includes a 20mm-lower ride height, 19-inch alloys along with new bumpers and a roof spoiler. It’s familiar stuff.

Even the numbers are close. The T-Roc R weighs only 70kg more than the hatch, hits 62mph in 4.8 seconds (a tenth slower) and has an identical top speed of 155mph. But the latter is due to the T-Roc R’s shorter gearing rather than a limiter, which you might think of as a nice signal of intent. As is the unique tuning for the car’s Haldex 4Motion driveline, which is said to make it keener to shift torque rearwards in a bid to fight understeer, and the use of 432mm two-part front discs that have uprated pads to handle track work. Benny did two flat out laps of the ‘Ring without fade, we’re told, which suggests occasional jaunts up the Buttertub’s Pass should be well within the T-Roc’s remit.


This is all true for the Golf R too, though, so why would you opt for the taller, slightly pricier T-Roc? Carrying capacity, apparently. The R retains the standard crossover’s ability to hold 75kg on the roof or tow 1.9 tonnes of braked trailer, plus, it doesn’t sacrifice any cabin space or lose anything of the standard T-Roc R’s 1,237 litre (with the seats down) luggage capacity, and there’s the obvious appeal of an SUV vantage point for some, so it unquestionably steps out of the Golf’s shadow to bring something new to the table. Versus the Audi SQ2, its closest group sibling, the T-Roc R wins on the practicality front hands down. The Cupra Ateca and Golf R estate beat them both for ultimate room, but they’re longer cars.

One thing’s sure, the T-Roc’s cabin can’t square up to that of the closely aligned SQ2. It’s nice enough, kitted out in top spec trim as standard with a digital instrument cluster and VW’s smartest infotainment system. But the Audi is unquestionably the more impressive place to sit. Our test car gets the standard cloth seats which, while well bolstered, aren’t particularly sporty-looking, so in normal operation the T-Roc R feels rather like the standard car from the driver’s seat.


With optional Dynamic Chassis Control (the SQ2 is passive only), you can slacken the chassis from its firm normal mode (which Jost says is essentially the car’s ‘sport’ setting) back to comfort, but you’re never fully able to escape this inbuilt firmness to the ride. It deals with bigger things like speed bumps alright, but the smaller stuff can vibrate up through the struts and into the body. Perhaps that’s a somewhat inescapable feature of a jacked-up performance car like this, though – and it’s still a world away from the rock hard SQ2 and similarly brittle BMW X2 M135i.

The T-Roc R does feel remarkably refined in other ways. The body is nicely composed at both ends in normal mode, with the harder race mode tightening things up significantly. It’s too firm for bumpy urban streets but with more speed comes a lovely mix of vertical fluidity and lateral stability. The T-Roc is no featherweight at 1,575kg but it uses an aluminium front subframe in place of the standard car’s steel item, so it feels light on its front axle and shrinks around you as a result. Handy, as many of the roads on our south of France test route are narrow and local van drivers don’t have much respect for the white lines…


It’s rapid, this T-Roc R, instantly hooking up on corner exits to fire out of bends with equal avail to the lighter Golf, thanks most likely to those more tightly stacked ratios. The EA888 under the bonnet has brilliant tractability so it pulls from practically anywhere in the rev range, while the dual-clutch ‘box is responsive and quick shifting – particularly in manual mode. In fact, it’s the sweetest incarnation of this engine-box combo we’ve experienced yet, flattering its driver by polishing over-eager downshifts and – with the four pipes of the Akrapovic fitted to this test car – encouraging gurgles, crackles and occasional pops as cogs are swapped. The optional exhaust is expensive, but we suspect a lot of character (and laughs) would be lost without it.

In contrast to that somewhat childish feature, the steering feels brilliantly mature. It has an Evoqueness about it, in that it’s got this pleasant smoothness and consistency as you wind back and forth through the lock. In a rare case of weight being beneficial, the slight increase in resistance provided by race mode feels spot on for the application, the rack not needing to be overly fast to give the car a rewarding keenness for each input. There’s sod all feedback, true, but those other factors combine so the T-Roc R beckons you into attacking corners faster and faster with confidence. It responds with enthusiasm, the nose tipping into turns with only a small amount of roll, meaning the process feels natural rather than artificially flat and there’s information passed through the chassis as a result. And yep, the brakes really are as tough and easy to modulate as Jost claims, with none of that excessive VW Group bite at the pedal’s top. Well done Benny.


Over hustle the car into a bend and, as you might expect, a layer of safety understeer is waiting for you, but the T-Roc R’s unique Haldex settings mean it’ll throw torque rearwards quicker than the Golf R, so you can quickly neutralise the balance with a dose of throttle before winding off the lock. There are no special diffs at play here either, the driveline and chassis just feel that cohesive, and the good body control means the tyres beneath can share the workload evenly. That higher ride height does ensure the limits are lower than a Golf R, but it’s by remarkably small amounts so cross country pace is properly fast.

If there’s concern for the car’s performance in Britain, it’s ride related. The busyness of the chassis on smooth French tarmac might point to something more drastic on cold, bumpy UK roads. While the unbreakable traction flaunted in 20-degree heat might fall off a performance cliff when confronted with winter without a limited slip diff to help. But that’s it, and those concerns are up in the air at this stage, which for a 300hp crossover is a pretty strong way to get going. With UK deliveries starting in the coming weeks, a British verdict is not far off. Until then, we’re happy to have found a youthful side to the T-Roc, but even more impressed to note how confidence inspiring it is thanks to the seamlessness of its controls and underlying capability. Racing drivers call that good driveability. We call it the Jost and Benny effect.


SPECIFICATION - VOLKSWAGEN T-ROC R

Engine: 1,984cc, inline four-cyl, turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 300@5,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,000-5,200rpm
0-62mph: 4.8sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,575
MPG: 31.3
CO2: 176-171g/km
Price: £38,450

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simonbamg

Original Poster:

767 posts

123 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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golf estate... there I've said it so you can all save your typing and i'll even throw in a COG as its a Friday

Baldchap

7,631 posts

92 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Having seen loads of T-Rocs in the flesh on the continent last week, and having owned a 7.5 (pre-WLTP) 310 R Estate (there you go!) I don't want one.

Being PH, people who have never driven one will now tell us how boring it is, those who aren't looking to buy a car in this sector at all will tell us it's overpriced, and people who can't afford one will tell us it's for PCP chavs.

Oh, and people who don't know anything about crime statistics will tell us we'd be killed in our beds for it.

Did I miss anything?

lee_erm

1,091 posts

193 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Baldchap said:
Having seen loads of T-Rocs in the flesh on the continent last week, and having owned a 7.5 (pre-WLTP) 310 R Estate (there you go!) I don't want one.

Being PH, people who have never driven one will now tell us how boring it is, those who aren't looking to buy a car in this sector at all will tell us it's overpriced, and people who can't afford one will tell us it's for PCP chavs.

Oh, and people who don't know anything about crime statistics will tell us we'd be killed in our beds for it.

Did I miss anything?
It'll probably be driven exclusively by complete bell ends.

pb8g09

2,334 posts

69 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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I’ve got a small/short sloped driveway and only do 6k miles a year. I want a roof rack to easily fit to carry kayaks and a big boot. I want it to go fast, automatic and have ground clearance to get down to river/beach boat runs. I want to dislike this, because it’s PH but actually it fits the brief to be on the list for next car....

Repent

358 posts

173 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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I wonder how long these turbo 4 cars will be interesting performance wise.

They’re all moulding into the same thing because of emissions of course which I agree with despite being a lifelong petrolhead. But when it makes financial sense for cars in this segment are able to adopt low slung battery packs and the performance electric motors are capable of, surely that’s a straight upgrade to cars of this ilk (range not included). It’s like buying a 3210 just before the iPhone comes out but you know it’s coming.

Edited by Repent on Friday 18th October 11:02

Composite Guru

2,207 posts

203 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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lee_erm said:
Baldchap said:
Having seen loads of T-Rocs in the flesh on the continent last week, and having owned a 7.5 (pre-WLTP) 310 R Estate (there you go!) I don't want one.

Being PH, people who have never driven one will now tell us how boring it is, those who aren't looking to buy a car in this sector at all will tell us it's overpriced, and people who can't afford one will tell us it's for PCP chavs.

Oh, and people who don't know anything about crime statistics will tell us we'd be killed in our beds for it.

Did I miss anything?
It'll probably be driven exclusively by complete bell ends.
This ^^^^

Drekly

754 posts

58 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Looks like they are going for the demographic for people who want a slightly more stylish Zafira VXR.

Meridius

1,608 posts

152 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Usually turn my nose up at all these not-quite-SUVs but honestly when I see them on the street, T-Roc, Q3, Macan etc think, hmm, they actually look pretty good.

T1berious

2,259 posts

155 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Repent said:
I wonder how long these turbo 4 cars will be interesting performance wise.

They’re all moulding into the same thing because of emissions of course which I agree with despite being a lifelong petrolhead. But when it makes financial sense for cars in this segment are able to adopt low slung battery packs and the performance electric motors are capable of, surely that’s a straight upgrade to cars of this ilk (range not included). It’s like buying a 3210 just before the iPhone comes out but you know it’s coming.

Edited by Repent on Friday 18th October 11:02
I kind of agree with you on this but they (EV's) haven't quite reached the desirability / cost point that would trouble a "sporty EV" currently.

I know the next Macan is supposed to be an EV (which means an Audi\VW\etc will also have access to that platform) but the e-tron is 70K currently so I think there's life in ICE for a while yet (at this <45k price point).

T1b

dxg

8,197 posts

260 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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I just don't know what's going on with VW and Audi's styling these days. They're just not pretty cars. So many creases and hard surfaces on the interior.

Dare I say, they've become the Toyota of Germany. But without the ability to offset the iffy aesthetics with promises of reliability.

pb8g09

2,334 posts

69 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Drekly said:
Looks like they are going for the demographic for people who want a slightly more stylish Zafira VXR.
A 7 seat mpv that’s a decade old design with no ground clearance that depreciated like a stone and nobody bought or a 5 seat 4wd SUV that will probably hold over 50% or its value for at least 6 years...

Yeah you’re right, those are the same thing...??

geeks

9,178 posts

139 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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I like it, didn't want to, but can't help it. Will be on the look for one in a couple of years depending on owners reviews and pricing. Something that will drag the racecar around and still be entertaining certainly has an appeal.

LuS1fer

41,133 posts

245 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Probably VWs dullest design in 20 years and hell, that takes some doing.
See them about and it could be "any brand".
as for youthful, I can't think of anything that screams middle-aged crisis in Sainsbury's car park, more.
There again, short of scrambling unmade roads on holiday, I still struggle to desire any SUV.

Demonix

483 posts

212 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Definitely one for the Girlracer School Mums, I just don't get sporty SUV's appeal and would rather have a potent estate car that has better fuel economy, handles and goes better than these jacked up shopping carts. Is it just the imperious driving position and presumed safety that sells them?

MDMA .

8,895 posts

101 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Composite Guru said:
lee_erm said:
Baldchap said:
Having seen loads of T-Rocs in the flesh on the continent last week, and having owned a 7.5 (pre-WLTP) 310 R Estate (there you go!) I don't want one.

Being PH, people who have never driven one will now tell us how boring it is, those who aren't looking to buy a car in this sector at all will tell us it's overpriced, and people who can't afford one will tell us it's for PCP chavs.

Oh, and people who don't know anything about crime statistics will tell us we'd be killed in our beds for it.

Did I miss anything?
It'll probably be driven exclusively by complete bell ends.
This ^^^^
I wouldn't mind one. I quite like them.

pb8g09

2,334 posts

69 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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+1

Some of the comments on this thread so far...


Can the sensible people go on lunch/finish work please so we can have some rational comments?!

GetCarter

29,377 posts

279 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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My Mrs has a T-Roc (I bought it for her - stupid name aside). Reason is: The reversible boot floor that lets our very large dog sit upright, and the clearance that lets us drive over very rocky tracks that would knacker a low slung car. Also 50+ mpg and pretty much all the toys I get on my £50k Jag - for half the price.

Simple really.

I drive it a fair amount. It's a decent drive, but lacks low rev torque. The R will sort that I'm sure, but would I buy the R for that price?

Nope.

FA57REN

1,018 posts

55 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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[quote]encouraging gurgles, crackles and occasional pops as cogs are swapped.
[/quote]

As a cyclist and a resident along a fast country road I'd just like to say "FFS VW"

Pops and crackles are acceptable from a rally car on a closed course whilst the ECU keeps the turbo spinning on downshifts. On a road car on public roads? ps off.

nickfrog

21,140 posts

217 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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Come on Andy.

Alex_225

6,261 posts

201 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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It'll blend in with every other SUV out on the roads but just be a bit quicker. There's faster SUVs out there anyway so it's not revolutionary. A tall Golf-R Estate by the looks of it.

It'll probably be extremely popular as the general public and the average PistonHeads reader are very different creatures.