RE: New Nissan 370Z finally in development

RE: New Nissan 370Z finally in development

Thursday 28th May 2020

New video previews Nissan 400Z | Update

Turbocharged V6 two-door gets its first official showing in presentation footage



Nissan has provided the first official glimpse of its long-awaited 370Z successor in a shadowy video, where the anticipated V6-powered model is illustrated as an upcoming model. With an angular nose ahead of a tapering rear roofline, it looks almost retro – and a damn sight more aggressive than the comparably rounded 370 design. It’s widely expected to be called the 400Z.

The manufacturer has remained tight lipped on the car's details, but it seems highly likely that the 400Z will be based on Infiniti’s rear-drive platform, as used by the Q50 and Q60, and be powered by the same twin-turbocharged V6 as sporting versions of those models, too. We know the motor’s good for 400hp, a figure that would not only work with the new name but also align the 400Z with its direct rivals, including the Audi TT RS.

Sightings of a 370Z-based mule last year at the Nurburgring suggested that Nissan is going full steam ahead with the high-speed testing from the off, which bodes well for the car's handling. While there’s plenty to love about the 12-year-old 370S, it’s never been the most athletic in the class, so expect a ramping up in lateral performance to go hand-in-hand with the output advantage, not to mention inevitable gains in refinement and efficiency.

While we’ve not been given an arrival date, this preview video does suggest a reveal is set for the not too distant future. The prospect of a new, £40k-ish Japanese sports car with the prowess of Nissan’s Z lineage – which, don’t forget, started way back in 1969 with the 240Z – is certainly a compelling one. If mothing else, it'll encourage Toyota to pursue a higher-performance version of the Supra, too...


ORIGINAL STORY: 31.10.2019


A decade is a long time in car making; when the Nissan 370Z first arrived in 2009, updating the 350Z template of big engine in a fairly big sports car made sense. It's predecessor had been successful doing that, after all, and why wouldn't you stick a chunky V6 in a sports car if possible?

In 2019, that's simply not going to happen anymore: the last remaining sports cars without forced induction are the Mustang, GT86 and certain Caterhams. For this next 370Z, then, due in 2021 and seen testing with a current body here, big change is likely. Welcome change, too, given the old 3.7-litre V6 was well past its best: expect a 3.0-litre twin-turbo V6 to take its place, taking power to around 400hp and placing it squarely amongst the M2 Competition, TT RS et al.

That engine could well be the one already seen in the Infiniti Q60; current rumours are that the next Zed could share some parts - as the last one did with the Q60/G37 - though little is confirmed just yet. Given the pressures currently faced by manufacturers in getting sports cars to market - see Toyota and BMW having to collaborate to make the numbers work - it would be a surprise for the 370 to receive too much that is bespoke given what's already available.

Beyond a confirmation as part of the Zed/GT-R 50th anniversary year that replacements are being worked on, there's been next to nothing from Nissan about what either sports car might be. To be honest, there's not much to be told from these pics either, because it looks like a 370Z with a bizarre front grille. But expect a comprehensive overhaul: this generation will surely have to accommodate hybrid drive, as well as the increased ride and handling demands imposed by current competitors. Trading on 'charm', 'honesty' or 'authenticity' simply won't cut it any longer.

Quite how Nissan will reinvent its sports car remains to be seen, then, but that doesn't stop us eagerly anticipating whatever it may be. Because while there have been some duffers in the past half century, there have also been some brilliant Zed cars as well - let's hope whatever this is will be another.







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thundercolo

Original Poster:

73 posts

172 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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So the Z35 will follow the same recipe as the Z32, 30 years later... Talk about progress! I'd even bet they'll call it 300ZX

Sharon-coizu

89 posts

58 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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In 2019, that's simply not going to happen anymore: the last remaining sports cars without forced induction are the Mustang, GT86 and certain Caterhams.

erm....ahem...MX5...

British Beef

2,213 posts

165 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Give it small rear seats and retain the outgoing model ethos, v6 with a manual gearbox!!


Amanitin

421 posts

137 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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paint job from the record setting Veyron. Very clever Nissan. You had us almost fooled.

J4CKO

41,558 posts

200 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Interesting, after the stuff about it becomes some kind of Crossover looks like its business as usual.

Might be an appealing prospect, 400 bhp with a Turbo will be a lot quicker than 340 ish without, Nissan have a big gap between the 370Z and the GTR in terms of price and performance, different markets to an extent but the GTR is so fast and the 370Z, although could never call it slow, its a bit off the pace these days. Not a million miles off the original GTR which had 479 bhp.

Wonder if the new Supra has changed their plan at all ?

High Roller

110 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Which "duffer" Z cars is the author referring to? 280Z?

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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I’m suprised. I thought these sold horrifically around the world?

AmosMoses

4,042 posts

165 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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If they're clever they'll offer a manual to try and poach Supra sales.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Will follow this with interest.

Shame a couple years away though.

SturdyHSV

10,095 posts

167 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Fingers crossed they just buy LT1s and appropriate gearboxes from GM to save everyone the trouble of swapping them later on hehe

Zetec-S

5,873 posts

93 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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If I had just seen a picture then I'd assume it was just the current 370Z, with perhaps some dodgy aftermarket styling pieces.

samoht

5,713 posts

146 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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AmosMoses said:
If they're clever they'll offer a manual to try and poach Supra sales.
Indeed, the A90 Supra is an obvious target market to aim for. Although, if a new 300Z arrived with a manual gearbox, it might not take Toyota long to respond, given that all the parts already exist in BMW's parts bin to do it. I would say Nissan would need either better styling or lower cost to make it worth their while; either would appear feasible. Nissan have a big US market for the 'Zee' to drive sales volume.

I'm very happy with my recently purchased 350Z, the engine has a lovely pick-up at the low end, strong torque and a nice sound towards the 7,500 rpm cut-out. So would be great to see a new model. I'd love it to be lighter, but I doubt that would happen.



Drivetrain possibilities:
4.0L nat-asp V6 with hybrid assist
3.0L turbo V6
2.5L turbo V6 with hybrid assist
1.5L turbo triple as a generator, full electric drive (like their e-Power Note & Serena)
Pure electric (e.g. insert two complete Leaf batteries and drivetrains, one at each end)

which would you favour?

cerb4.5lee

30,585 posts

180 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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I really hope that Nissan do bring another generation of Z to the market. I'm a bit late to the 370Z party but I'm really enjoying my Roadster that I've had for 6 months now.

The VQ engine(in the 370Z) does feel a bit ancient now though and it has a terrible reluctance to rev much above 6000rpm(which goes against the enjoyment of a NA engine somewhat).Yet max power is at 7000rpm with a redline of 7500rpm so it is quite frustrating in fairness.

So an update to Turbos is certainly needed and welcoming in many ways I think. I was a massive fan of the 300ZX Twin Turbo so I'm certainly not going to complain about the switch! cool

Jon_S_Rally

3,406 posts

88 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Bizarre front grille? Do you mean the bumper that's had some holes cut in it with a hole saw? Not exactly a grille is it...


cerb4.5lee

30,585 posts

180 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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samoht said:
AmosMoses said:
If they're clever they'll offer a manual to try and poach Supra sales.
Indeed, the A90 Supra is an obvious target market to aim for. Although, if a new 300Z arrived with a manual gearbox, it might not take Toyota long to respond, given that all the parts already exist in BMW's parts bin to do it.
This could be a win/win because the only thing I dislike about the Supra is that it is auto only. So all being well Nissan will offer the new Z with a manual gearbox and Toyota then follow suit.

I guess that there is a big chance that the new Z with be auto only though(hopefully not)...because that is the fashionable gearbox nowadays for sure.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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Sharon-coizu said:
In 2019, that's simply not going to happen anymore: the last remaining sports cars without forced induction are the Mustang, GT86 and certain Caterhams.

erm....ahem...MX5...
hehe

cerb4.5lee

30,585 posts

180 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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The car in the photos certainly could do with some spaces on it!

I like how the car has the post facelift wheels on it...yet it has the pre facelift front grill.

How can we be sure that it isn't just some random person going around the ring in their own car...who just has a bad taste for colour schemes and who likes drilling big holes! scratchchin

CABC

5,575 posts

101 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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holes are there for a reason, i guess it has forced induction?

Alias218

1,496 posts

162 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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I wonder if it’ll have the same powertrain as this:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1119650_nissan...

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Wednesday 30th October 2019
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samoht said:
I would say Nissan would need either better styling or lower cost to make it worth their while; either would appear feasible. Nissan have a big US market for the 'Zee' to drive sales volume.
Yes, it's entirely possible for the new Z car to be both very good looking and reasonably, but not cheaply, priced. It's not difficult to imagine Nissan delivering a look that outperforms the Toybaru twins, that is less polarising than the A90 Supra, more extroverted than Alpine and MX-5, and which steadfastly rejects the anodyne shapes that dominate cars today.

You're right about the US market, I believe. The formula for success of the new Z car must be similar to that of Mustang: ie, ensure volume sales in the US such that higher costs borne in other countries can be, to a certain extent, amortised.

Volume for the Z car will not be Mustang-sized, but it must be substantial. Additionally, we should expect some degree of volume from China to support our maths. I will be surprised if Europe is the focus of this car.

The last time I commented on PH about the Z car franchise, another bloke insisted that the car (as we know it in the West) was conceived solely for a handful of discerning British motorists and that the story of Yutaka Katayama and his focus on the US market, is a cover-up propagated for more than 50 years by motoring press on both sides of the Atlantic.


samoht said:
Drivetrain possibilities:
4.0L nat-asp V6 with hybrid assist
3.0L turbo V6
2.5L turbo V6 with hybrid assist
1.5L turbo triple as a generator, full electric drive (like their e-Power Note & Serena)
Pure electric (e.g. insert two complete Leaf batteries and drivetrains, one at each end)

which would you favour?
Your entire post is engaging and, I believe, adds a lot of value to this thread.

Of your choices, I'm going to go with the 2.5L turbo V6 with hybrid assist. And here's why:

Nissan are going to challenge the sports car category a bit (I'm guessing here) by positioning the new Z car as the best expression of classical motoring. A sense of occasion.

Crucially, they will not focus on speed. Engagement and sound will be their calling card.

To achieve this, Nissan would specify a powertrain that allows for peaky revs -- yet also power -- and they will offer a manual transmission. They of course know that a self-shifting dual-clutch unit must be offered, and this will have driver settings that maximise on revs and on hustling through curves.

By weaving in the hybrid gubbins, Nissan provide both welcome torque and a bit of the future-proof. Furthermore, as it's still early days for hybrid performance powertrains, Nissan will enjoy some limelight here.


samoht said:
I'd love it to be lighter, but I doubt that would happen.
Agreed. All but impossible, especially if hybrid bits are added. A non-starter, really.

Also, price planning and product margin will limit the ability to use high-cost lightweight materials. But who knows: if Nissan are feeling revolutionary, there's always the polyester-based sheet moulding compound as used on Corvette.


samoht said:
Indeed, the A90 Supra is an obvious target market to aim for. Although, if a new 300Z arrived with a manual gearbox, it might not take Toyota long to respond, given that all the parts already exist in BMW's parts bin to do it.
Can't see any change like that, from Toyota. It almost appears as if they could barely afford to share the project with BMW. I doubt they'll lift a finger to make such a significant update, even if there are parts in the BMW bin. I like the A90, but it does seem a fig leaf.