RE: FCA, PSA make merger talks official

RE: FCA, PSA make merger talks official

Wednesday 18th December 2019

FCA, PSA agree on £39bn merger contract

Joint operation will form the fourth largest car firm in the world with an anticipated 14m car annual output



Six weeks after talks officially began, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Groupe PSA have agreed on a £39 billion contract to merge operations, creating the world’s fourth biggest car company with an anticipated combined revenue of £144bn. The yet-to-be-named joint operation, which at current performance accounts for the production of 8.7m cars per year, is to be headed by CEO Carlos Tavares, who will be tasked with cutting total annual costs by more than £3bn while maintaining the current workforce. Rather him than us.

The final deal is expected to be completed within 12 to 15 months, during which time decisions for how FCA and PSA will share technologies and production facilities will be made to improve economies of scale and ready themselves for a big push in output. The merging of Fiat and Peugeot’s resources is said to have potential for an annual production of 14m cars, which would beat the Volkswagen Group’s 11m output in 2018. Although admittedly by the time that number is reached the global market is likely to have grown significantly.

But that’s a conversation for the future. At this stage, the focus is very much on the money, as evidenced by the latest move of one of PSA’s biggest shareholders, Dongfeng Motor Group, which is selling 30.7 million shares to PSA. The Chinese company will retain a 4.5 per cent share in the new merger – something Reuters reckons will help “the deal gain regulatory approval in the United States”. Only last month, America’s General Motors claimed FCA was bribing unions to sweeten the deal, although so far no evidence has come to light.

Over the coming weeks, Fiat and Peugeot’s ongoing talks should yield more business news, but we suspect it’ll be several months at least before the outcome for each brand under the newly created umbrella becomes clear. 


Previous story: 31.10.2019

You don’t have to be an economics expert to understand the merits of mergers in the car industry. The Volkswagen Group and Renault-Nissan are the first and third largest car companies in the world thanks to their multi-brand approach - and now it looks like another arranged marriage is on the cards. Together, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Groupe PSA anticipate a combined revenue of €170bn and a sales volume of some 8.7m cars. That would be sufficient to make it the fourth largest automotive firm in the world. 

If all goes according to plan, it will be Carlos Tavares at the helm, who’s overseen the PSA Group’s growth into an international force and headed the purchase of Vauxhall and Opel from GM for £1.9 billion in 2017. Proven at PSA, it’s possible that Tavares is the man to fill the enormous void left by the late Sergio Marchionne at FCA. Expect the 61-year-old to focus on bringing some consistency to the sales performance of Fiat’s diverse portfolio using shared research and development that have been rolled out at PSA in recent years.

Things are set to get going quickly, too, with 80 per cent of the merger expected to be complete in just four years’ time, meaning the brands of this new Fiat-Peugeot company could start to get shared platforms to underpin their products of the mainstream, premium, SUV and commercial segments in the middle of the new decade. The sharing of powertrains and production lines should happen even sooner. That might help the new FCA/PSA company make up ground to the seemingly uncatchable VW Group, which remains a global automotive juggernaut even in the wake of Dieselgate.

Typically such a merger would herald the closing of extraneous factories and a slimming of some workforce, but with notoriously volatile French (and, on the other side, American) employees to placate, both PSA and FCA have denied such losses would be necessary. The official word is that none of the changes will be “based on any plant closures” - which, for now, ought to smooth the ruffled brow of 400,000 workers worldwide. Indeed, Tavares said that “this convergence brings significant value to all the stakeholders and opens a bright future for the combined entity”. Hopefully that includes the more extensive use of Maserati’s racey Trofeo V8 and Alfa Romeo’s terrific Quadrifoglio V6

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simonrockman

Original Poster:

6,852 posts

255 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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What makes VW work so well is that it's a master of platforming. Up/Citigo/Mii are the same car with three different identities.

FCA has never managed this. we don't get Fiat/Chrysler/Alfa/Lancia in the same way. Its internal platform sharing is more akin to the MX-5/124 than the adroitness with which VW does it.

When I was at Motorola I mapped the VW platform sharing as an example of how it should be done, and how Nokia had such a cost advantage over us. I was amused some years later to discover Nokia had also used VW as an example.

There are only benefits in an FCA/PSA deal if the two companies can get on top of their brands (and please bring Lancia back with a new Fulvia) and make the sharing work.



nickfrog

21,140 posts

217 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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I guess the critical mass for volume car makers is around 10m vehicles globally now so they wouldn't be very far off.

If this happens, Renault will be quite upset that one of their share holders halted discussions with FCA a few months ago...

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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simonrockman said:
What makes VW work so well is that it's a master of platforming. Up/Citigo/Mii are the same car with three different identities.
PSA have always done well with platform sharing - hopefully they can make it work with Opel and Fiat etc in there as a group too.

This is a good bit of news imho, all these brands are worth having around as they have and do make some great cars.

AlexHat

1,327 posts

119 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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With the Peugeot 208 platform also underpinning the new Corsa (and I assume at somepoint the C3) it would make sense for a new Punto (if they want to make one instead of another 500 version) to use the same platform. Also good for Alfa if they want to go back into the supermini sector

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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My understanding is they're way behind on EV and so need to hook up in an attempt to catch-up.

Plenty of time for the deal to fall through, as France wants to be the boss and Italy wants to be the boss, despite PSA paying a circa 32% premium for FCA in a '50/50' merger.

RSchneider

215 posts

164 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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Very ambitious. Basically they could go for a FWD and a RWD/AWD platform. FWD platform would be a similar as what VAG is doing with VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat consisting of Peugeot (in some markets Citroen) - Opel/Vauxhall - Fiat doing the reasonably priced mainstream, with Abarth - DS - OPC/VXW speciality versions. And the RWD/AWD platform would be Alfa (sports) - Maserati (lux) - Chrysler (North America, including performance vehicles). Jeep and RAM do the SUV and Truck things. The Commercial Vehicles operations of Opel - Fiat - and the French are merged and simply badge-engineered according to market preference. Lancia and Dodge die. More complicated however will be integrating the Chinese, Indian and Iranian operations/cooperations the French have. The U.S. Gov will play games here.

J B L

4,200 posts

215 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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PSA seem on form.

I think they have gone from red to black 2 years earlier than forecast and have already implemented platform sharing with Opel. I think the Opel / Vauxhall SUVs are now underpinned by the current 3008/5008 platform.

I could be wrong.

They just seem super quick to execute these changes from what I read here and there.


Fast Bug

11,680 posts

161 months

Thursday 31st October 2019
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nickfrog said:
If this happens, Renault will be quite upset that one of their share holders halted discussions with FCA a few months ago...
I understand that Renault pulled the plug when they realised how much money it could cost them to meet the 2021 average vehicle emissions level with FCA onboard. The Fiat range is also old and in major need of updating, nobody buys Lancia product and Alfa has seen lots of investment and still aren't selling.

Why on earth would you want to be saddled with that?

forzaminardi

2,290 posts

187 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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I'll have a Peugeot 508 with the Quadrifoglio V6 please....

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

151 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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Good news IMO. Tavares seems to get excellent results, e.g. Opel/Vauxhall profitable after decades of red ink under GM. And all without major upsetting of Unions / workforce. This merger exercise seems ambitious, but if there's one guy able to fill Marchionne's boots... For us it hopefully means a couple of iconic brands are in safe(r) hands now. Would be a real shame if Alfa withered away. And perhaps they can really manage to revive Lancia with some credible products?

Haltamer

2,455 posts

80 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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forzaminardi said:
I'll have a Peugeot 508 with the Quadrifoglio V6 please....
Where abouts do you live? I'll open a garage nearby laugh

forzaminardi

2,290 posts

187 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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Haltamer said:
forzaminardi said:
I'll have a Peugeot 508 with the Quadrifoglio V6 please....
Where abouts do you live? I'll open a garage nearby laugh
Oztraylaya frown

galro

776 posts

169 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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Fast Bug said:
The Fiat range is also old and in major need of updating, nobody buys Lancia product and Alfa has seen lots of investment and still aren't selling.
Lancia actually sells a surprisingly many cars given that their line-up consist of one single car that have been around since 2011 and they are only sold in one market (Italy).

They have outsold Alfa Romeo in Europe during the first half of 2019.


https://fiatgroupworld.com/2019/07/22/absurd-lanci...

nickfrog

21,140 posts

217 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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Fast Bug said:
I understand that Renault pulled the plug when they realised how much money it could cost them to meet the 2021 average vehicle emissions level with FCA onboard. The Fiat range is also old and in major need of updating, nobody buys Lancia product and Alfa has seen lots of investment and still aren't selling.

Why on earth would you want to be saddled with that?
You'd better call PSA to let them know they're making a mistake. wink

It's not Renault who pulled the plug, it's a 15% share holder aka the French govt.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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nickfrog said:
Fast Bug said:
I understand that Renault pulled the plug when they realised how much money it could cost them to meet the 2021 average vehicle emissions level with FCA onboard. The Fiat range is also old and in major need of updating, nobody buys Lancia product and Alfa has seen lots of investment and still aren't selling.

Why on earth would you want to be saddled with that?
You'd better call PSA to let them know they're making a mistake. wink

It's not Renault who pulled the plug, it's a 15% share holder aka the French govt.
And not forgetting FCA also includes Jeep where I believe most of the profit comes from. But a potential headache for the 2021 emissions regs.

On the face of it FCA have more to gain than PSA, as FCA have a mostly elderly and/or slow selling product offering in Europe.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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galro said:
Fast Bug said:
The Fiat range is also old and in major need of updating, nobody buys Lancia product and Alfa has seen lots of investment and still aren't selling.
Lancia actually sells a surprisingly many cars given that their line-up consist of one single car that have been around since 2011 and they are only sold in one market (Italy).

They have outsold Alfa Romeo in Europe during the first half of 2019.


https://fiatgroupworld.com/2019/07/22/absurd-lanci...
A worrying position for Alfa. It shows they sold only 5000 Giulias in the whole of Europe in H1 2019.....I wonder how many the German brands shifted...

hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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Gives SA an immediate significant presence in North America where I think they are not strong themselves.

4th largest car manufacturer if this goes through, after VAG, Toyota and Renault-Nissan.

Paris's willingness to back this shows how challenging they see they future for car makers with EV/car sharing/rental by apps/autonomous driving on horizon.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 1st November 07:37

RSchneider

215 posts

164 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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Another idea: Not PSA-FCA but PSA-F. Selling Chrysler/Jeep/RAM and forget about North America. Might actually save a lot of headaches with U.S. Gov, especially concerning PSA's Iranian and Chinese presence.

olof3528

28 posts

212 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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What about the Lancia Voyager, Delta, Thema, Flavia plus the Ypsilon? When did Lancia leave the Austrian, Belgian, Dutch, French, Spanish and other European markets? And don’t you get them as Chryslers in the UK anymore?

Fast Bug

11,680 posts

161 months

Friday 1st November 2019
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GTEYE said:
galro said:
Fast Bug said:
The Fiat range is also old and in major need of updating, nobody buys Lancia product and Alfa has seen lots of investment and still aren't selling.
Lancia actually sells a surprisingly many cars given that their line-up consist of one single car that have been around since 2011 and they are only sold in one market (Italy).

They have outsold Alfa Romeo in Europe during the first half of 2019.


https://fiatgroupworld.com/2019/07/22/absurd-lanci...
A worrying position for Alfa. It shows they sold only 5000 Giulias in the whole of Europe in H1 2019.....I wonder how many the German brands shifted...
Jesus I didn't realise things were that bad at Alfa!