RE: Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport | Showpiece of the Week

RE: Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport | Showpiece of the Week

Monday 4th November

Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport | Showpiece of the Week

The best way to enjoy 1,000hp? Topless...



With seemingly every motor show now hosting another 2,000hp EV, Ferrari launching a series production 1,000hp hypercar and run-of-the-mill supercars requiring 700hp to even be considered as such, the impact of the Bugatti Veyron back in 2005 could easily be forgotten. After all, what's 1,000hp in 2019? The Holy Trinity was yonks ago, a McLaren 720S already feels like it has 800hp and Dodge will even sell you a 1,000hp crate engine.

But 15 years ago, one thousand horsepower really was a huge deal. And while we're getting a little bit blase about numbers nowadays, it still is a huge deal. Because the Veyron's success, and incredible technical achievement, was in making 1,000hp accessible and usable for your average billionaire. For years before it we'd seen 1,000hp claimed for various RB26- and 2JZ-engined tuner specials, but this really was something new: a luxurious, sumptuous, cosseting super-GT sports car creation, one to whisk the world's richest to wherever they might want to go, that was also capable of 250mph.

Remember the jokes before the Veyron was launched? Its gestation period was fraught with problems, as Bugatti tried desperately with its first car since the EB110 to keep that mammoth 8.0-litre engine cool and get 1,000hp to the road reliably and effectively. But with the might of VW behind them, the Molsheim team did it: the Veyron was no harder to drive than a Bentley Continental GT, yet faster than anything else on the planet. Even today, there's not much that's quicker and, it might well be argued, precious few sports cars that are more lavishly appointed.


Some will say it's bland and emotionless against the hypercar pin ups that preceded it, and the Veyron's quad-turbo V16 certainly doesn't have the charm of a V12. Regardless, the big Bug marks a significant milestone in the story of fast cars; there was a time before they had 1,000hp and 250mph capability, then the post-Veyron world, where it became the yardstick against which all others are judged.

This particular Veyron, as the astute of you will have noticed, is a Grand Sport, the Veyron roadster that followed soon after the coupe. Named after the Type 40 and 43 racers - the first to be termed 'Grand Sport' by the Bugatti family - the Grand Sport was mechanically identical to the 16.4, and was even capable of the same incredible top speed.

The original cars were later superseded by the 1,200hp Super Sport and Grand Sport Vitesse models, and regular production versions like this White with Beluga Black leather Veyron were outdone in the publicity stakes by innumerable 'special' editions. With everything from a 'Black Bess to the 'Dubai Motor Show 2011' special editions, Bugatti certainly wasn't shy in grafting on a new name. To a limited run car. Who knows, this 'regular' Grand Sport might be quite rare in just having a normal spec...


It's certainly notable for having been used: this 2009 car has covered more than 1,000 miles a year in the past decade, which is quite something when you consider its price tag and the cost of ownership. A Bugatti Certified vehicle, it was first registered at Bugatti London and always maintained through that dealer - with regular visits to Molsheim for servicing, too. Given an annual service is said to cost around Β£15k, a set of wheels Β£50,000 and tyres Β£6,000 a corner, it would be fair to assume a lot has been spent on this car's upkeep.

What a way to spend it, though. New benchmarks, for all that's claimed, don't come along all that often. What the Veyron did for hypercars the Grand Sport did for their convertible counterparts, and its impact - for ICE-engined exotica, at least - hasn't been matched. How often have you heard of the Chiron being called the Veyron's replacement, or Bugatti's second record breaker? The Veyron established the precedent of being the ultimate, a precedent that the Chiron had to uphold. For bringing quad-turbo Bugatti madness back to the world after a decade away, and proving that something really could go faster than the McLaren F1, the Veyron's place in history is assured. The only issue now is deciding whether your Β£1.7m goes on a coupe or a convertible...


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ntiz

Original Poster:

963 posts

83 months

Monday 4th November
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Surely this could be a brave pill as well??

In the context of if it goes wrong in any way shape or form you will spend BIG money fixing it.

Of course one assumes if you can punt 1.7 million on a car you can find it if you have to. Doesn’t mean the owner won’t squirm when handed the invoice.

I never thought I would like these until I sat in one. They are like nothing else I have been in. I could actually imagine using one a lot for Euro trips.

RobEB

42 posts

42 months

Monday 4th November
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The difference comes when you can say you have a car designed with 1000hp , that can hit 250 mph regularly and uniformly every time,rather than an engine thats been extensively modified in order to make it capable of such power, but will not be as reliable.

Still would have one in my garage, Euromillions numbers coming up trumps.
Just to say i've got one.
And its still a very good looking car even today.

Krikkit

16,628 posts

128 months

Monday 4th November
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ntiz said:
I never thought I would like these until I sat in one. They are like nothing else I have been in. I could actually imagine using one a lot for Euro trips.
I think this is the fantasy - one of the best GT cars you could buy, crushingly capable and ridiculously quick. In reality of course most owners will have a private aircraft of some form which is much faster. biggrin

That said, the engineering alone makes it very desirable for me - definitely a place in my billionaire's garage.

Edited by Krikkit on Monday 4th November 20:10

biggbn

2,593 posts

167 months

Monday 4th November
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Squat, ugly, profligate, pointless....magnificent!!!

markcoznottz

5,299 posts

171 months

Monday 4th November
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It's not exactly beautiful but it's purposeful, and it does that difficult thing of having it's own distinct look and not at all derivative. Much better proportioned than the Chiron imo. It's still the daddy of its era.

FazerBoy

448 posts

97 months

Monday 4th November
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Do we know if anybody on PH has a Veyron?

Chestrockwell

2,023 posts

104 months

Monday 4th November
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I’m not sure it’s a typo or not but is the 6k a tyre a myth? One of those things said on top gear that stick?

I highly doubt each tyre is 6k, maybe 6 k for a set and even that is ridiculous.

Perhaps the tyres are 6k each of you intend on taking it up to 250mph.

Either way, I love the Veyron but I wouldn’t pay 1.7 million on it, I’d rather chip in 500k and buy myself a Chiron.....if my numbers came up hehe

rodericb

1,786 posts

73 months

Tuesday 5th November
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Chestrockwell said:
I’m not sure it’s a typo or not but is the 6k a tyre a myth? One of those things said on top gear that stick?

I highly doubt each tyre is 6k, maybe 6 k for a set and even that is ridiculous.

Perhaps the tyres are 6k each of you intend on taking it up to 250mph.

Either way, I love the Veyron but I wouldn’t pay 1.7 million on it, I’d rather chip in 500k and buy myself a Chiron.....if my numbers came up hehe
Maybe you can get Davanti to do a run of Veyron fitments? Just tell the Veyron owners you sell them to to keep it under 120mph and they'll be okay.

Krikkit

16,628 posts

128 months

Tuesday 5th November
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Chestrockwell said:
I’m not sure it’s a typo or not but is the 6k a tyre a myth? One of those things said on top gear that stick?

I highly doubt each tyre is 6k, maybe 6 k for a set and even that is ridiculous.

Perhaps the tyres are 6k each of you intend on taking it up to 250mph.

Either way, I love the Veyron but I wouldn’t pay 1.7 million on it, I’d rather chip in 500k and buy myself a Chiron.....if my numbers came up hehe
You might be able to get alternative tyres that will limit you to 180 or something, but that kind of spoils the point.

ETA: Maybe not - according to this link they're a weird custom bead shape https://www.motor1.com/news/180923/bugatti-chiron-... Not to mention a weird metric size.

The fancy tyres are indeed 6k each, and I seem to remember you can have 2 or 3 sets and then you have to have the wheels X-rayed for cracks (because magnesium).



Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 5th November 00:24

Thornaby

423 posts

16 months

Tuesday 5th November
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I doubt Veyron owners are bothered about the running costs

BMW A6

1,232 posts

11 months

Tuesday 5th November
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I'm more impressed with that house, to be honest.

If that's in central London, it'll be worth considerably more than the Veyron.

BMW A6

1,232 posts

11 months

Tuesday 5th November
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Krikkit said:
That said, the engineering alone makes it very desirable for me - definitely a place in my billionaire's garage.

Edited by Krikkit on Monday 4th November 20:10
Interesting that you mentioned billionaires and not millionaires.

If my wealth somehow crept into the millionaires' realm, which it isn't, I don't think I could keep up with the financial constraints required for this car's upkeep.

Dave Hedgehog

11,718 posts

151 months

Tuesday 5th November
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Thornaby said:
I doubt Veyron owners are bothered about the running costs
From what I have read a lot are which is why they often don’t get used a lot

Impressive feat of technology for its time that’s been surpassed by many other hypercar manufacturers

And this golf r

https://youtu.be/QusJi11ngck


gigglebug

1,382 posts

69 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Although there are a number a design elements that I prefer on the Chiron I still think that Veyron is the better looking car. It is as about as elegant as a modern super car could be for me. If I were in the position I’d be asking Bugatti to update the chassis of a Veyron for me, for the much improved driving dynamics the Chiron appears to possess, and leave the rest well alone.

Lord_Howit_Hertz

1,655 posts

164 months

Wednesday 6th November
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FazerBoy said:
Do we know if anybody on PH has a Veyron?
I'm sure a more knowledgeable PH'er can correct me, but I think there is a PH'er with 3 and also has recently took delivery of a Chiron.

There are and have been others, the notorious TBops had one, and again testing my memory, but a PH'er bought a Veyron (very cheap) from an Auction (Blackbushe) and started a thread (I think) on how he was going to try and run it on the cheap, I think he ended up moving it on after discovering you cant run it cheaply.

gigglebug

1,382 posts

69 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Lord_Howit_Hertz said:
I'm sure a more knowledgeable PH'er can correct me, but I think there is a PH'er with 3 and also has recently took delivery of a Chiron.

There are and have been others, the notorious TBops had one, and again testing my memory, but a PH'er bought a Veyron (very cheap) from an Auction (Blackbushe) and started a thread (I think) on how he was going to try and run it on the cheap, I think he ended up moving it on after discovering you cant run it cheaply.
Yes, I would imagine that there is still a massive difference between cheaper and cheap full stop in this instance. Top marks for having a go though!

Chestrockwell

2,023 posts

104 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Lord_Howit_Hertz said:
I'm sure a more knowledgeable PH'er can correct me, but I think there is a PH'er with 3 and also has recently took delivery of a Chiron.

There are and have been others, the notorious TBops had one, and again testing my memory, but a PH'er bought a Veyron (very cheap) from an Auction (Blackbushe) and started a thread (I think) on how he was going to try and run it on the cheap, I think he ended up moving it on after discovering you cant run it cheaply.
Any idea where I can find this thread?

Europa1

9,117 posts

135 months

Wednesday 6th November
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gigglebug said:
Although there are a number a design elements that I prefer on the Chiron I still think that Veyron is the better looking car. It is as about as elegant as a modern super car could be for me. If I were in the position I’d be asking Bugatti to update the chassis of a Veyron for me, for the much improved driving dynamics the Chiron appears to possess, and leave the rest well alone.
For me the problem with the styling of the Veyron is the fireplace right at the front of it. It just jars visually (to me).

sleepezy

862 posts

181 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Lord_Howit_Hertz said:
... a PH'er bought a Veyron (very cheap) from an Auction (Blackbushe) and started a thread (I think) on how he was going to try and run it on the cheap, I think he ended up moving it on after discovering you cant run it cheaply.
Think he was a motor trader (SMDG or something rings a bell) - I don't think he ever intended to keep it for long but do recall him posting he drove it back from the auction on third party only traders insurance or something similar - if I am wrong, please forgive my memory it was several years ago!

ghost83

3,321 posts

137 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Not a very on but 2manycars said he had a Chiron on order