RE: Lexus RC F Track Pack vs Ford Mustang GT

RE: Lexus RC F Track Pack vs Ford Mustang GT

Monday 2nd December

Lexus RC F Track Pack vs Ford Mustang GT

The naturally-aspirated V8 is headed for the scrap heap. We grade the final salute...



Although not without its foibles, the Lexus RC F Track Pack is a car that really gets under your skin. Forever muscular and purposeful, though never shouty or ostentatious, it falls happily into the role of effortless cruiser while secretly ready to explode into petrol-burning rumble at a moment's notice. It's secret? The oldest in the book: 5.0-litres of atmospheric V8. Little wonder then that it feels like a muscle car done the Japanese way. Little wonder it made us think of Ford's latest - possibly, objectively, greatest - Mustang.

America's muscle car also has a 5.0-litre V8. It also delivers the goods without resorting to forced induction. It is also unusual in that respect. Europe, by virtue of its increasingly stringent environmental legislation, has essentially outlawed the deployment of big capacity, naturally-aspirated engines in any segment shy of the supercar. Even there, it is a vanishingly rare presence.

Admirably, Lexus (Toyota) and Ford have rowed against the tide. They have done so for business reasons, yes - but also because each feels that there is good reason for the fitment of eight cylinders unencumbered by the breathy intrusion of downstream turbochargers. Even better, they haven't gone about the application in precisely the same way; one is unashamedly loud and brash and addictive, the other is buttoned-down and tightly-wound and thoroughly underrated.

Because they punctuate the approaching end of an era, both are brilliant in their own inimitable way. You'd need a heart of stone to think otherwise. Which is why we sent Dan P along to run the rule over proceedings. The rest of us refused to hold a tape measure to either unicorn. We drove and day-dreamed. It was enough. It had to be.

Hankies out...


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cib24

Original Poster:

823 posts

101 months

Saturday 30th November
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Dan, very nice review. It shows what we are going to be missing from cars in 5-10 years time at semi-affordable price points.

I'm curious what you mean by the Performance Pack as all cars come with it in Europe. I think the largest difference you feel is that the GT you drove in this video did not have the adaptive Magneride suspension option like the Bullitt did. It makes a huge difference in how it tightens up the damping and overall feel of the car.

I completely agree with you that the standard seats are not good enough for performance driving and the Recaros are really a level above which is what you would have sat in during your Bullitt drive. They hold you in so much better and give you the confidence to push on.

I also completely agree with you on the LSD though in the Mustang. Over here we get stuck with Ford's forever used since the 90s base level Trac-lok clutch-based LSD and super long 3.55 gearing. The US market gets the 3.73 Torsen diff in its performance pack cars which they also use in the GT350 and GT500. It is a true mechanical LSD that would likely get rid of the twitchiness.

The RCF is beautiful but hard to justify at it's price point. Used ones are a bargain however. Granted, the Mustang aftermarket is limitless

Edited by cib24 on Saturday 30th November 09:02

ducnick

956 posts

191 months

Saturday 30th November
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WIth the standard exhaust that Lexus sounds far too subdued compared to the mustang. Interesting to hear what this gt performance pack is. I suspect he is referring to the magnaride suspension option.

chunder

630 posts

194 months

Saturday 30th November
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Why would you not be taking an RC-F to a track - there's an IS-F putting in some not too shabby times in Time Attack this year ?

It does need an aftermarket exhaust though as the Mustang wins the soundtrack.

BIRMA

2,662 posts

142 months

Saturday 30th November
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Good review thanks, I've always said that Lexus should have just called it the 'Sports Pack' because you are absolutely right it's not a track car, it's a good road car without the track pack.
Instead spend your money on one of the excellent switchable aftermarket exhausts and it sounds right too. I did try the Mustang and the usual suspects in this bracket but bought the RCF for exactly the reason it's a bit left field, you hardly ever see one, build quality and warranty is in a class of it's own.

redroadster

1,030 posts

180 months

Saturday 30th November
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Like lexus in yellow bit different to Audi and BMW grey cars .

Luke.

8,017 posts

198 months

Saturday 30th November
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A red RC-F will be mine. Once one finally appears on AT.

Emubiker

946 posts

128 months

Saturday 30th November
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chunder said:
Why would you not be taking an RC-F to a track - there's an IS-F putting in some not too shabby times in Time Attack this year ?

It does need an aftermarket exhaust though as the Mustang wins the soundtrack.
Absolutely right. The one that ran in the clubman class was very quick down the straights. So much so that I would struggle to get passed if we were both on a hot lap and I was in a Noble. In the wet it performed great too.

Finished the year as 3rd overall on a pretty much stock setup. I can only imagine the RC-F would fare even better.

unsprung

3,826 posts

72 months

Saturday 30th November
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Mustang is the girl you can't stop thinking about. All about Saturday night or that free-wheeling road trip.

Six-speed manual transmission? Don't bother asking. You know the answer.

Gotta spec the GT performance package along with adaptive damping. Set the exhaust to Track? Go on, Darling. Let's have some fun:

https://youtu.be/0LwI7McnoW0

I'd be delighted with the Lexus as well, but it's more of an executive conveyance. At an executive's price.



lee_erm

827 posts

141 months

Saturday 30th November
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The interior in that Lexus is gorgeous. I'd have the Mustang though, I'd spend a few grand on a supercharger kit from the states. 700 + BHP in something for around 50k all in is hellish value.

BIRMA

2,662 posts

142 months

Saturday 30th November
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lee_erm said:
The interior in that Lexus is gorgeous. I'd have the Mustang though, I'd spend a few grand on a supercharger kit from the states. 700 + BHP in something for around 50k all in is hellish value.
Good point in the USA where the RCF is very popular a few owners have supercharged theirs and figures of in excess of 650 BHP are quoted. It's a lot of money to spend on a car though but of course you do get a lot of extra power.
My last car a CL65 had in excess of 620 BHP from it's V12 twin turbo engine and although cartoon like in the way it gained speed I found there were only the odd moments you could use it apart from that event where they go flat out on a straight bit of track.

Luke.

8,017 posts

198 months

Saturday 30th November
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BIRMA said:
Good point in the USA where the RCF is very popular a few owners have supercharged theirs and figures of in excess of 650 BHP are quoted. It's a lot of money to spend on a car though but of course you do get a lot of extra power.
My last car a CL65 had in excess of 620 BHP from it's V12 twin turbo engine and although cartoon like in the way it gained speed I found there were only the odd moments you could use it apart from that event where they go flat out on a straight bit of track.
BIRMA, how are you enjoying yours?

ZX10R NIN

15,707 posts

73 months

Saturday 30th November
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The true test should have been the RC-F vs the GT350R as they both occupy a similar price bracket, but both are good cars, I'm probably going against the grain but I'd probably go for a standard RC-F & add some (exhaust LSD) performance parts.

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 30th November 19:52

BIRMA

2,662 posts

142 months

Saturday 30th November
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Luke. said:
BIRMA, how are you enjoying yours?
Overall I like it, after I sold my CL65 I was looking for a car preferably with a V8 N/A engine, I tried a special order M3 with the N/A V8 and loved the way it seemed to shrink around you and it went like a rocket, problem was I felt it had to be driven like that all the time.
So I tried an M4, an Alfa Quad and the Mustang each was a good car then I tried the RCF after watching the Chris Harris video and decided I liked the two distinct driving characteristic of the RCF, the later cars have the active suspension and can almost rival the CL65 in long distance comfort. Then at the selection of a few simple controls including manual/paddles which most owners on the forum use you have a decent A road blaster, you can feel the active suspension tightening the whole car up.
I know a few owners do track their RCF's particularly over in the USA but after owning an RX7 track/road car and a highly tuned VX220 Turbo and had great fun with them on track. I just felt the RCF was a bit too heavy and ponderous compared to what I've had so have been of the personal opinion that if you want to do track days it's a far better idea to buy a car like a Caterham or VX220 Turbo.
I also think that for the price of the new 'track edition' you could buy (if you can find one) a late model RCF with all the toys AVS, TVD for say £45K and have well over £20K left for a more track oriented car and afford to run both for some time.
I know the RCF is not to everyones taste but if you test drive one and like it you'll like it even more after a year.

Edited by BIRMA on Saturday 30th November 20:10

Luke.

8,017 posts

198 months

Saturday 30th November
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Thanks for the reply. TBH, the M4 doesn't appeal at all, though always quite fancied a C63 but at £10k more than the IC-F, the Lexus seems like a much better bet. Also, the running cost of the Lexus and warranty are leagues ahead. So as an ownership proposition it makes a lot of sense. And from what I've read, it seems to be one of those cars that just gets under your skin. Can't wait to find my Infrared one...

cerb4.5lee

13,007 posts

128 months

Saturday 30th November
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I would love a V8 Mustang one day for sure. cloud9

irocfan

21,283 posts

138 months

Saturday 30th November
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Interesting discussion - can I throw in a leftfield (in more than 1 sense of the word) suggestion: Camaro ZL1

J4CKO

28,605 posts

148 months

Saturday 30th November
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cerb4.5lee said:
I would love a V8 Mustang one day for sure. cloud9
Big birthday next year for me, its top of my list, helps that Mrs J4CKO loves Mustangs.

cerb4.5lee

13,007 posts

128 months

Saturday 30th November
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J4CKO said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I would love a V8 Mustang one day for sure. cloud9
Big birthday next year for me, its top of my list, helps that Mrs J4CKO loves Mustangs.
Nice one. It certainly helps to have the Mrs onboard with it too. thumbup

Hackney2

63 posts

41 months

Saturday 30th November
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No substitute for “cubes”.Lexus can keep theirs.Nothing beats displacement.Without a doubt the Mustang is the best “bang for buck”V8 on the market.Just pure adrenaline.V8s ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.Just love mine 339kws of pure adrenaline! @$60,000 Great value in OZ!

Edited by Hackney2 on Saturday 30th November 23:00

MB140

1,901 posts

51 months

Saturday 30th November
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cerb4.5lee said:
I would love a V8 Mustang one day for sure. cloud9
I always thought that. Then MrsMB140 got one earlier this year. Whilst I loved it on the test drive I couldn’t cope with it as a daily driver or long term choice. It’s just not refined enough. It’s too big for most uk car parks and has the turning circle of a bus. It draws too much attention for my liking. Each to their own which is why my misses loves it. It screams look at me. She’s had a borla s exhaust fitted to it and I reckon you can here it 1/4 mile away just on normal throttle. WOT (be careful) it sounds epic but that soon wears off. I refuse to drive it most of the time (unless the misses has had a few drinks and needs me to drive it home mainly).