Renault Sport Megane Trophy 300 | PH Fleet

Renault Sport Megane Trophy 300 | PH Fleet

Thursday 19th December 2019

Renault Sport Megane Trophy 300 | PH Fleet

Do resale grey and the dual-clutch EDC gearbox actually a better Megane R.S. make?



Interesting the different observations people make when driving the same car, isn't it. Both Matt and Ben have said in previous reports on the Trophy that they weren't fans of the manual gearbox and wondered if it would be better with the dual-clutch EDC option, while I rather like the chunky shift action, the pedal placement and sense of interaction. The burly ride has been commented on by both but never raised as a deal breaker; I like to think I've got a higher than average tolerance of such things but after one long drive in it I was broken. Or maybe I'm just getting old.

Whatever differing views we may have you'll have picked up huge goodwill on the team toward fast Renaults, set against the niggling sense this one hasn't unequivocally inspired us in the way we'd have hoped. There are two potential answers. One, go all-in with 70-grand's worth of carbon wheels, NACA ducts and 'ring record bragging rights in a Trophy-R. Or, two, see if there's a more rounded Megane available in a sensible pants spec of standard chassis, understated grey paint and that as-yet untested dual-clutch gearbox option.

]Compared with the PH Fleet Trophy, the car you see here loses 20hp, the stiffer Cup chassis settings, the Torsen diff between the front wheels and some of the fancier trimmings like the Recaro seats. It does, however, keep the rear-axle steering, hydraulic bump stops and rest of the package. Everything from the broad-shouldered stance to the businesslike vibe you get from behind the wheel are all set off nicely with the more subtle look too. Usual caveats apply about the relevance of OTR pricing but, at £32,485 as tested, it's hardly what you'd call the bargain option against the £36,085 with options of the PH Trophy.


Matt enjoyed the standard chassis when he drove the 280 against a base-spec i30 N and I've got to say I totally agree with his assessment. On the right road the Cup set-up is inspirational and perfectly judged for a maximum attack driving style, just as hot Renaults always have been. On a two-hour drive across Wales I absolutely adored it. After two further hours grimacing along bumpy motorways and dual carriageways I'd have happily swapped into an Uber, though.

Even optioned onto 19-inch wheels (£950 I'd wager you don't need to spend) the standard chassis immediately feels more tolerable for everyday use. It's no Rolls-Royce but the set-up just feels calmer, without falling apart dynamically or losing its edge. Far from it, in fact. Turns out a slightly softer Megane R.S. is actually a more lively one, at least it is on greasy winter roads. Maybe the Bridgestones aren't all that in these conditions. Or it was just cold enough that any performance tyre was going to struggle. I've got a theory it might be that the softer suspension permits more weight transfer around the four corners of the car, but that may well be nonsense. Whatever the reason, this 'base' R.S. felt way livelier and more willing to throw shapes than any other I've driven thus far.

It's still got fantastic balance and a strong front end against which to judge the available grip. But the way it rotates on a lifted throttle makes it more alive than anything I've driven for a long while. That it feels so natural and playful even with the tricksy rear-wheel steering is even more impressive.


And what of the gearbox? It's perhaps not quite as slick as a Golf's DSG but it's fast enough and the ability to play with that balance through left-foot braking opens opportunities you wouldn't have in the manual version unless you're very fancy with your footwork. Most of all it suits this particular car and its (relatively) undercover vibe, though chunkier shifter paddles would be nice and the habit of delivering multiple downshifts when only one was summoned can be annoying. Fair to say it's something you'll encounter on most similar dual-clutch 'boxes, too.

Personally I'd still stick with the manual but the EDC is a worthy choice if you want a two-pedal Megane and is well up to the job. As an overall package though this car was a real surprise, and proof that sometimes subtle flavours can be just as satisfying as the stronger ones.


FACT SHEET
Car:
2019 Renault Sport Megane 300 Trophy
Run by: Matt
On fleet since: June 2019
Mileage: Chilling while Dan drives a different one (left at 10,217)
List price new: £31,835 (price as standard; as tested £36,085 comprised of Liquid Yellow paint for £1,300, Bose Pack (Bose sound system with seven speakers, digital amp and sub, plus 8.7-inch touchscreen with R-Link 2), for £800, Front parking sensors and rear parking camera for £400, Visio system (Lane departure
warning, traffic sign recognition and auto high beam) for £250 and Recaro Sports Pack (Renault Sport Recaro seats with red stitching and Alcantara) for £1,500)

Previous reports:
Another Trophy triumph?
Brilliant, baffling, bemusing - what next?
The beauty is more than skin deep. Mostly.
Nearly tremendous on track
Good enough to win over a serial Renault Sport fan?






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Fetchez la vache

Original Poster:

5,572 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Who wrote that title, yoda?

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I expect they can hear the depreciation on Mars.

nickfrog

21,132 posts

217 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Zumbruk said:
I expect they can hear the depreciation on Mars.
I doubt it. Depreciation on RS cars has always been quite favourable, at least when bought at the max discount. My Cup S lost £3k from new in 18 months so not too bad at around £166/month.
Hoping for £250 on the 280 but I would still be happy with £300, amazing value.

Jon_S_Rally

3,403 posts

88 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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nickfrog said:
I doubt it. Depreciation on RS cars has always been quite favourable, at least when bought at the max discount. My Cup S lost £3k from new in 18 months so not too bad at around £166/month.
Hoping for £250 on the 280 but I would still be happy with £300, amazing value.
Quite. I don't think the R.S. models are too bad on that front, though I guess it may be spec dependent to some extent. People just enjoy slating Renaults.

As for this, I must say I quite like it in that colour, though I would probably still have white. I know someone with a white one and it looks really nice.

I really must drive one.

Tickle

4,915 posts

204 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Zumbruk said:
I expect they can hear the depreciation on Mars.
Not sure Renault-sport cars have bad depreciation really, especially the top-spec rare models.

Miserablegit

4,021 posts

109 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I think I’d have to have it in liquid yellow

foxhounduk

491 posts

180 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I would have a 280 rs in Sainsbury's Orange, with the EDC and non sports seats and the better/bigger touch screen center console in a heart beat.

bluesierra

146 posts

96 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Evo reached pretty much the same conclusion about the Cup vs non-Cup chassis in their hot hatch round up a couple of months ago. Not that their review was better just interesting to see PH find the same thing

Drekly

754 posts

58 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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A non-Cup Chassis 280 on 18 inch wheels would ride even better I guess. Although I'd plump for the manual gearbox and a bright colour. I don't think plain jane grey helps resale on these.
The standard sport chassis might suit the typical buyer of this more passenger friendly and practical 5 door more then the last generation, the bulk of which seem to have been specced with a Cup Chassis.
B road surface quality varies by county anyway, I was shocked how bad the Cotswolds were when visiting (relative to say Wales, or Cornwall).
I can't imagine the Trophy/Cup would feel sorted there hammering over the incessant rippled tarmac - and that's if you manage to miss the potholes.


Edited by Drekly on Thursday 19th December 13:31

irish boy

3,535 posts

236 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Looks subtle in the grey. Still have to be a manual for me but the 20 bhp certainly isn't a deal breaker.

nickfrog

21,132 posts

217 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I have the say the Cup chassis on 18' is surprisingly compliant. It still isn't a smooth rider but quite an improvement on the Cup S on 18' wheels too. I guess the hydraulic bump stops and the longer wheelbase help.

Drekly

754 posts

58 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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nickfrog said:
I have the say the Cup chassis on 18' is surprisingly compliant. It still isn't a smooth rider but quite an improvement on the Cup S on 18' wheels too. I guess the hydraulic bump stops and the longer wheelbase help.
Thats interesting that it's an improvement, I also had a 275 with Cup Chassis and 18 inch wheels, which was pretty firm.

nickfrog

21,132 posts

217 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Let me back pedal actually laugh. If I gave 3 out 10 for ride quality to the 275 Cup then the 280 Cup is now on 4.5 out of 10 IME.
But some of it is probably placebo due to much better NVH.

NewUsername

925 posts

56 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Why does left foot braking (lfb) in this require less fancy footwork than lfb a manual, you aren't changing gear while lfb in a manual anyway, you get that out of the way first..... and do you mean left foot braking properly ( ie with throttle overlap ) or just braking with your left foot and no throttle overlap?

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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NewUsername said:
Why does left foot braking (lfb) in this require less fancy footwork than lfb a manual, you aren't changing gear while lfb in a manual anyway, you get that out of the way first..... and do you mean left foot braking properly ( ie with throttle overlap ) or just braking with your left foot and no throttle overlap?
Well, mainly I just didn't want to sound like a pretentious 'I left foot brake everywhere, you're a loser if you can't' know-it-all but it's a fair point and I've recently been schooling myself to do it in manuals too. I realise it's not for everyone, however many pedals you're using, but I've long left foot braked in two-pedal cars and enjoyed the ability to overlap and play with balance that way. And it's obviously easier and more instinctive in an auto/dual-clutch/DSG/whatever. Unless it's a VW Group product of course, in which case it then cuts the power and leaves you coasting for a few seconds while the computer says 'Nein!', which is really annoying.

Cheers,

Dan

A1VDY

3,575 posts

127 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Worth a bag of concrete post mix with a bucket full of electrical gremlins thrown in free in 3 years time..


nickfrog

21,132 posts

217 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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A1VDY said:
Worth a bag of concrete post mix with a bucket full of electrical gremlins thrown in free in 3 years time..
Nope, you still haven't posted anything of value on PH. Residuals on RS cars have always been strong.