RE: British-built AP-0 readied for Geneva debut

RE: British-built AP-0 readied for Geneva debut

Monday 9th March 2020

Apex set to unveil AP-0 this Friday | Update

Not Geneva might be done, but the new cars are not - Apex's 1,200kg EV is coming this week



UPDATE, 09/03/2020
Assuming that London doesn't succumb to a citywide Covid-19 lockdown, the capital will play host to what we believe will be the last 2020 Geneva motor show debut. It's been a funny few weeks, after all. So it's The Bike Shed instead of the Palexpo, and a social media press conference rather than 15 minutes in a sweaty show hall for Britain's latest lightweight sports car: the Apex AP-0.

You remember the AP-0. Of course you do. For those that don't, the details are below. For those that don't want to scroll, the Apex is a 1,200kg sports car powered by electricity and created by the guys behind the Elemental RP-1. It will bring together the finest artistry with expert craftsmanship, not only affording it rapid acceleration, but also superior agility, outstanding handling and exceptional cornering ability.

And that's about all we know for now ahead of Friday's grand Shoreditch unveil. Fear not, however, as PH will be in attendance, flat white in hand and café racer chic attempted, to get the inside line on the Apex. Which, given the people involved and the spec hinted at, could be very interesting indeed.



ORIGINAL STORY, AS REPORTED 13/02/2020
With the Geneva show less than three weeks away, we're hitting peak silly season for EV startups. Certainly this is not going to be the last shadowy shot of a questionable concept you're going to be seeing before March arrives. But the Apex AP-O is slightly different. For one thing, it's been designed, engineered and built in the UK (where the tradition for low volume, specialist cars is no less venerable than the one for horse brasses or gin-making) and for another its maker is not quite the Johnny-come-lately it appears to be.

Minimal digging reveals Apex to effectively be the sister brand of Elemental - builder of the very well-received RP1. There is actually an Apex version of that car - not entirely imaginatively dubbed the AP-1 - built around the same patented carbon composite tub and delivering much the same level of hair-raising performance. But the AP-1 is intended as the amuse-bouche for the AP-0, because what Apex wants very much to be about is battery electric power.

Cue the shadowy preview. Which doesn't giveaway much aside from the fact that the firm has branched out into the business of roof-making - which means it's had a go at doors, too, not to mention what looks like a significant aero package. This is encouraging because Elemental never shied away from complexity (it produces that tub in-house) and Apex will obviously need that attribute if it is to make a dent in the fickle world of EV building.


For now it is shouting about the right things. The engineering team - which you'd assume is much the same bunch that produced the RP1 - is led by designer Guy Colborne and the AP-O's all-carbon fibre chassis is said to have resulted in a kerb weight of just 1,200kg. Almost twice as much as is claimed for the AP-1, of course, but respectable for an all-electric sports car. Let's hope the decision to not label it a supercar is also significant - the world is increasingly well stocked with the latter; the former are conspicuously few and far between.

No word yet on power or performance or even potential production - although, unsurprisingly, Apex promises: "not only rapid acceleration, but also superior agility, outstanding handling and exceptional cornering ability." The RP1 was endowed with all four; if Elemental has enabled them again in Apex format, and sourced an appropriate battery, it might have landed on the perfect side project for a low volume British sports car maker intent on prospering in the next two decades.


Read our drive of the Elemental RP1 here

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wab172uk

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2,005 posts

227 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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If it hasn't got 4000 bhp. Will not go from 0-60 in 1 second flat. Or doesn't cost £20m. Then I'm not interested.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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wab172uk said:
If it hasn't got 4000 bhp. Will not go from 0-60 in 1 second flat. Or doesn't cost £20m. Then I'm not interested.
Don't forget a range of 10,000 miles on a single 5 minute charge.

Macboy

739 posts

205 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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Will they make it into double figures with production unlike the Elemental which, it seems, disappeared without a trace despite being well received? Do they have any idea how to do more than design and announce cars...you know like building them, selling them, servicing them....? If Vapourware never makes it off the screen does that make these projects hobbyware? They're certainly little more than multiple hand-built prototypes it seems.

The Aspiration AP-0 coming to a "British cars that never made it" wiki-page in 2020.

cookie1600

2,109 posts

161 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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article says said:
because what Apex wants very much to be about is battery electric power.
"Battery" electric power? What, as opposed to an electric car running off a very long extension lead?

16v stretch

974 posts

157 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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cookie1600 said:
article says said:
because what Apex wants very much to be about is battery electric power.
"Battery" electric power? What, as opposed to an electric car running off a very long extension lead?
Or fuel cell.

redroadster

1,737 posts

232 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Let's see it then slate it ,very downbeat folk on piston heads hope this biz succeeds .

WCZ

10,515 posts

194 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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redroadster said:
Let's see it then slate it ,very downbeat folk on piston heads hope this biz succeeds .
if it's electric then it's pointless. within a few years all electric cars will have insane performance

swisstoni

16,941 posts

279 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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redroadster said:
Let's see it then slate it ,very downbeat folk on piston heads hope this biz succeeds .
I agree. Good luck to anyone with the gumption to at least give it a go. World would be a duller place without them.

WCZ

10,515 posts

194 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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wab172uk said:
If it hasn't got 4000 bhp. Will not go from 0-60 in 1 second flat. Or doesn't cost £20m. Then I'm not interested.
not sure about the cost but I agree on the rest, as you say electronic vehicles are so boring that unless they have extreme performance it's not intresting

irocfan

40,365 posts

190 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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be interesting to see how this turns out

big_rob_sydney

3,400 posts

194 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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WCZ said:
wab172uk said:
If it hasn't got 4000 bhp. Will not go from 0-60 in 1 second flat. Or doesn't cost £20m. Then I'm not interested.
not sure about the cost but I agree on the rest, as you say electronic vehicles are so boring that unless they have extreme performance it's not intresting
I guess "extreme performance" is in the context.

Tesla's have been doing quite well in performance metrics, and the Plaid verson recently set a ring time of 7:13, which is faster than Lexus LFA, 911 Turbo S, Radical SR3, Ferrari 488, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari Enzo, Lambo Aventador, etc etc etc.

When the Roadster comes out, it will be faster again. And over-the-air upgrades will likely make many of them again faster.

Seriously, when they're already faster than 99.9% of cars out there, how much more performance can you reasonably expect, given they are also a fair bit cheaper than these other cars as well?

irocfan

40,365 posts

190 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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big_rob_sydney said:
I guess "extreme performance" is in the context.

Tesla's have been doing quite well in performance metrics, and the Plaid verson recently set a ring time of 7:13, which is faster than Lexus LFA, 911 Turbo S, Radical SR3, Ferrari 488, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari Enzo, Lambo Aventador, etc etc etc.

When the Roadster comes out, it will be faster again. And over-the-air upgrades will likely make many of them again faster.

Seriously, when they're already faster than 99.9% of cars out there, how much more performance can you reasonably expect, given they are also a fair bit cheaper than these other cars as well?
let's have a 24 hour race and see which method of propulsion gets further....

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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article said:
Not Geneva might be done, but the new cars are not
Am I going mad or does this make absolutely no sense at all?

jeremyc

23,426 posts

284 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Paddy78 said:
article said:
Not Geneva might be done, but the new cars are not
Am I going mad or does this make absolutely no sense at all?
Probably closer to the madness. wink

PH have branded the cancelled show "Not Geneva", and the article references the fact that "Not Geneva" is now over (done) but car launches are still happening.

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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jeremyc said:
Paddy78 said:
article said:
Not Geneva might be done, but the new cars are not
Am I going mad or does this make absolutely no sense at all?
Probably closer to the madness. wink

PH have branded the cancelled show "Not Geneva", and the article references the fact that "Not Geneva" is now over (done) but car launches are still happening.
That does make sense now, thanks. It was the "Not Geneva" bit I didn't get and hadn't come across before.

big_rob_sydney

3,400 posts

194 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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irocfan said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I guess "extreme performance" is in the context.

Tesla's have been doing quite well in performance metrics, and the Plaid verson recently set a ring time of 7:13, which is faster than Lexus LFA, 911 Turbo S, Radical SR3, Ferrari 488, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari Enzo, Lambo Aventador, etc etc etc.

When the Roadster comes out, it will be faster again. And over-the-air upgrades will likely make many of them again faster.

Seriously, when they're already faster than 99.9% of cars out there, how much more performance can you reasonably expect, given they are also a fair bit cheaper than these other cars as well?
let's have a 24 hour race and see which method of propulsion gets further....
If I had to guess, I'd say the typical profile of most cars would be a domestic trip lasting < 100 miles. But if you want to arbitrarily choose something done by less than 0.00001% of the population as your measuring stick, then go for it. That's about how relevant it is.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

127 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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irocfan said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I guess "extreme performance" is in the context.

Tesla's have been doing quite well in performance metrics, and the Plaid verson recently set a ring time of 7:13, which is faster than Lexus LFA, 911 Turbo S, Radical SR3, Ferrari 488, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari Enzo, Lambo Aventador, etc etc etc.

When the Roadster comes out, it will be faster again. And over-the-air upgrades will likely make many of them again faster.

Seriously, when they're already faster than 99.9% of cars out there, how much more performance can you reasonably expect, given they are also a fair bit cheaper than these other cars as well?
let's have a 24 hour race and see which method of propulsion gets further....
This^
The petrol cars would have to refuel but the Teslas would be stuck at the charging point for 2hrs. The pit crew (person) could take as long as they liked changing tyres ect lol..

PAUL500

2,633 posts

246 months

Wednesday 11th March 2020
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The one issue which never seems to get addressed is where are all the people who live in blocks of flats, terrace houses, inner cities etc going to recharge their cars overnight when they are often parked streets away, out on the public road? you can only stretch an extension lead so far!

Killboy

7,251 posts

202 months

Wednesday 11th March 2020
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PAUL500 said:
The one issue which never seems to get addressed is where are all the people who live in blocks of flats, terrace houses, inner cities etc going to recharge their cars overnight when they are often parked streets away, out on the public road? you can only stretch an extension lead so far!
True. We are years away from having a solution for this.

Wait, what century is it?