RE: BMW M340i Touring vs. Audi S4 Avant

RE: BMW M340i Touring vs. Audi S4 Avant

Saturday 15th February 2020

BMW M340i Touring vs. Audi S4 Avant

It's diesel versus petrol in the fast wagon derby. Prepare to take sides...



Audi S4 Avant
Let's not beat around the bush here, if we list the duties normally assigned to a fast estate and cross-reference it with the new S4's best traits, it pretty much nails them all. It's got a big boot, loads of torque, and with a starter-generator-assisted diesel engine, it's actually economical. This is the thinking (wo)man's option, right? That it's also comfortable on a long run and capable of towing 1.9 tonnes of braked trailer - 100kg more than the BMW it's up against here can manage, and easily enough for a couple of Caterham 7s - is equally significant. But I know what you're thinking: the BMW's going to be more fun. Hold that thought.

Because I'd argue that in the past couple of years the engineers at Ingolstadt have rediscovered their mojo. Audi has gone from making quick-but-blunt machinery to stuff that genuinely entertains again. The trend is evidenced by the promotion of the two-wheel drive R8 RWD from limited edition to full series production model. But the trickle-down effect is on show even in well-behaved sporting models, S4 Avant included. Only a few years back the clichéd response to an Audi ditching its predecessor's petrol six-pot for a turbo diesel would have probably included complaints about fun and understeer. But that's simply not the case these days.



Case in point: the S4. Audi's quick Avant is powered by a 3.0-litre oil burner with 347hp and 516lb ft of torque; the latter showing up from 2,500rpm. The way the Avant piles on pace is seriously impressive; the shifts of the eight-speed Tiptronic are practically imperceptible thanks to the torque filling generator, meaning acceleration is even more linear than you might think. Combine that with great refinement and it takes regular checks of the speedo to ensure you don't settle dangerously deep into licence-losing territory. The engine sounds impressive, too, with a familiar V6 smoothness underlined by a gruff exhaust note.

Still, it's only when the optional quattro sports diff - a worthwhile £1,400 addition - is fitted that this setup really throws punches at the M340i. With this hardware, the diesel motor can shift the car's balance like all the best performance machines, literally moving the S4 Avant from its glued-down default into something like playfulness. Surely no diesel Audi has ever been so eager to rotate; with near instantaneous torque and a driveline capable of sending most of it rearwards, the technical makeup practically dictates it. The Audi steers with intent and composure, but remains permanently able to soak up the lumps and bumps below, no matter the drive mode of the optional - and essential - adaptive dampers. The BMW can't claim to do the same on its equivalent shocks.



So much for the surprises, how about the bleeding obvious: the Ingolstadt's interior walks all over Munich's. There's nothing particularly wrong with the M340i's cabin, but the S4 looks high-tech and impressive where the 3 Series is a bit, well... officey. Does anyone really want to leave a long day at a desk and climb aboard something with Business packs? Surely they'd feel more relaxed facing the well-designed digital displays and fonts that hark back to a rally lineage (ie. the quattro). The cabin is inherently functional, comfortable thanks to nicely bolstered leather seats - our car gets the massage function for the driver - and spacious, with 1,435 litres of storage room behind the front seats.

Should you prefer your cars to do most of the driving for you, the Audi can also deliver on that. The effortless automatic powerplant is supplemented by a plethora of driver assist features that, with all the nannying systems left on, make having an accident a really rather difficult task. Parking this 4,745mm-long machine is a doddle, too, even without the European-only dynamic steering that's oddly fitted to our UK test car to practically remove all effort required for low speed manoeuvres. Chuck in the aforementioned fun and you get the consummate fast wagon: dependable, safe, solid, sensible - and maybe secretly capable of setting your hair on fire.
SS


SPECIFICATION: AUDI S4 AVANT
Engine:
2,967cc, V6 plus starter generator
Transmission: Eight-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 347@3,850rpm
Torque (lb ft): 516@2,500-3,100rpm
0-62mph: 4.9sec
Top speed: 155mph (electronically limited)
Weight: 1,825kg/1,900kg (unladen/with driver)
MPG: 39.8
CO2: 166g/km
Price: £47,830


BMW M340i
Not so very long ago, two-thirds of motoring journalists would have cheerily conceded that a 335d xDrive wagon was all the car they ever really needed. And anyone left over would have argued for the 330d. It was that kind of decade, and the F31 fitted into it like Felicity Jones into a John Lewis glove. I was no different, save for the fact that I'd driven the Alpina D3 and thought it even better. Coincidentally its modified N57 motor produced almost exactly the same figures as the Audi - 350hp and 516 lb ft of torque. I'd bet all the money in my pockets that the engineers responsible for the S4 had only one rival in mind when they conceived it.

Sadly, that moment feels like a thousand years ago. Rightly or wrongly, fossil fuels are in the dock and diesel is bearing the brunt of the cross examination. Audi's latest V6 may very well be as virtuous as freshly fallen snow - but it's masking all manner of underlying pitfalls (some imagined, some not) and the decision to make the S4 diesel-only in Europe now seems, at best, tone deaf. Which is not ironic at all, because a little bit of tone deafness is still required to enjoy the distant rumble of oil being burnt. Sam means 'gruff' in a good way. There is a bad, too, and there's no escaping it under load or at idle.



How does it compare to six petrol-filled cylinders arranged in a line? Well, how does birdsong compare to a parrot's squawk? The B58 is honestly not the most melodious inline engine BMW has ever built, but its idea of refinement is a vacated church hall when measured against the S4's sullen drone. Moreover - and this really is as plain as the nose on Sam's face - it's better everywhere else, too. Once you've got over a gargantuan, gap-in-the-traffic-missing pause between pushing the accelerator pedal and the transmission locking up, Audi's V6 is fast only in the ultra-linear way you'd expect from a beefed-up modern diesel. So it merges with fast lane traffic like a Trojan. But can't make a second-gear corner seem interesting.

The M340i meanwhile can do it all and then some. It creeps assuredly and in silence, and then lets you meter out 369lb ft of torque like piped icing. Do you notice the 147lb ft deficit in twist? Not really. Not really because the opportunity to guiltlessly mash the accelerator pedal is seldom encountered these days, and when it is, the BMW never leaves you in any doubt that you're building to something more interesting near the redline - something beyond 600rpm of mid-range shove. At 5,500-6,500rpm the M340i develops 27hp more than the S4 manages at 3,850rpm. Which rather says it all.



Elsewhere, and not unlike in the F31, the 3-Series wagon grafts this bear-hug of a powertrain to a mightily impressive fast family car. Undeniably Audi has made inroads on BMW's lead in comfort and driving pleasure - the M340i's adaptive wheel control is a shade unforgiving, it's true - but it has still not found a way of replicating its rival's steering response, which is an object lesson in how to make a car's direction change seem both consistent and satisfying. Where the S4 turns in abruptly and showily, the M340i makes its superiorcomposure seem inherent and entirely instinctive. In the Audi you wonder at the clever things going on in the all-wheel drive system; in the BMW, the poise and obvious rear-end bias makes you wonder whether its four-wheel drive at all.

Clearly the scorecard is not without its blemishes. The S4's upper hand in the cockpit is hard to counter - especially given the M340i's cringeworthy instrument cluster - although it's worth reiterating how highly the BMW scores on things you interact with. Touchscreens, no matter how good to look at, remain a divisive way of controlling the infotainment in a fast-moving object; personally I'd default to using the iDrive controller every time, a choice which surely can't be all about familiarity. The M340i's inevitably chunky steering wheel is nicer to hold, too, and its paddle-click more agreeable. Then there is the 3-Series' gear lever, which is more gratifying in every way, and also configured to make manual ratio changes happen in the right direction. In a nutshell, that's what continues to separate BMW from the chasing pack: a profound appreciation of what makes a car unputdownable in the real-world. In that respect, and many others, the M340i picks up exactly where the F31 left off.
NC


SPECIFICATION: BMW M340i TOURING XDRIVE
Engine:
2,998cc straight-six, twin-turbo
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 374@5,500-6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 369@1,850 - 5,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.5sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,845 (unladen, with driver)
MPG: 37.2
CO2: 172g/km
Price: £55,685






















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Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,006 posts

143 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Shame the 3 series is so ugly now. The first ugly BMW touring. It’s fat, the rear boot windows need a more horizontal line at the base and the front needs to be made so it doesn’t look as if it has melted.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Shame BMW changed the dash in their new models to get rid of the classic (easy to read) round dials.



Lacks that 'BMW look'. I think they could have made them digital and multifunctional without ruining the classic BMW appearance.

(But what do I know, I'm just some random knob on the internet and BMW have done their research etc etc).

A1VDY

3,575 posts

127 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Both goppingly ugly cars.

aston addict

421 posts

158 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Would take the Audi if it had a proper engine. And why does the bmw nav surround look like the old one in the old e-class with the huge bezels / black surround? And is the grille blanked off?

Completely agree with previous comments about the dials and crappy hofmesiter kink making the 3’s arse look huge. Almost like the x3.

Court_S

12,899 posts

177 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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I’d take the 340, I can just about see passed the grilles because of the B58 which is a cracking engine. The BMW screen looks better integrated than that of the S4 but digital dials look better and are at least a normal shape. But the best thing about the BMW for me is that it has actual buttons and the idrive controller because I’m really not feeling the move to touchscreens for everything.

Sport220

631 posts

75 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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I’ll have a W205 C 63, thank you very much. And preferably not an Estate, this “Fast Estate” concept has become fully council.

Notsofastfrank

194 posts

195 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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The thing that strikes me about both of these is the ridiculously high price. Maybe it's all about the monthly cost nowadays. I currently have a 335d touring and was thinking one of these would be its replacement, but based on these prices I won't be anywhere near paying £25k for a year-old one like I did for mine 2 years ago. To me these are overpriced, but then again the list on something like a Golf R or M135i is pushing £40k. Maybe I'm just getting old and out of touch.
Looks wise I think the S4 looks sharp, the 3 series looks reasonable apart from the grille which to my eyes is awful. I think I read the grille has active slats?

Court_S

12,899 posts

177 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Sport220 said:
I’ll have a W205 C 63, thank you very much. And preferably not an Estate, this “Fast Estate” concept has become fully council.
The C63 in my opinion is hideous in anything other than estate form.

I don’t think it’s become fully council; most in the UK seem to dislike estates.

Court_S

12,899 posts

177 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Notsofastfrank said:
The thing that strikes me about both of these is the ridiculously high price. Maybe it's all about the monthly cost nowadays. I currently have a 335d touring and was thinking one of these would be its replacement, but based on these prices I won't be anywhere near paying £25k for a year-old one like I did for mine 2 years ago. To me these are overpriced, but then again the list on something like a Golf R or M135i is pushing £40k. Maybe I'm just getting old and out of touch.
Looks wise I think the S4 looks sharp, the 3 series looks reasonable apart from the grille which to my eyes is awful. I think I read the grille has active slats?
The M140i was never £40k though, other than on paper. No one paid anywhere near that I ended the discounts available.

Pretty sure the 340 can be had with about 18% off (if I recall from thread on the BMW section).

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Court_S said:
Sport220 said:
I’ll have a W205 C 63, thank you very much. And preferably not an Estate, this “Fast Estate” concept has become fully council.
The C63 in my opinion is hideous in anything other than estate form.

I don’t think it’s become fully council; most in the UK seem to dislike estates.
Considering as well that a C63 is a completely different class of vehicle, not really fair to compare.

I think they both look OK.
Bmw better than the Audi.
But both no doubt everything you need and then some.

ChocolateFrog

25,151 posts

173 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Can we have a Verdict or Conclusion heading.

It makes skipping to the point a lot easier, ta.

harleywilma

517 posts

243 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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All seems a bit of a pointless exercice now and for that sort of money, electric 250 mile range weapons are coming thick and fast...

silentbrown

8,823 posts

116 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Both prices are wrong. S4 starts at £49400, M340i £50,055

About 18% discount available on both, I think.

Hairymonster

1,427 posts

105 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Skoda vRS 245bhp from mid to high £20k after discount.

The cars in this test would be hard-pushed to lose an enthusiastically driven vRS.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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g3org3y said:
Shame BMW changed the dash in their new models to get rid of the classic (easy to read) round dials.



Lacks that 'BMW look'. I think they could have made them digital and multifunctional without ruining the classic BMW appearance.

(But what do I know, I'm just some random knob on the internet and BMW have done their research etc etc).
Appealing to the `Yoof`who want everything digital, cos it's cool man innit

silentbrown

8,823 posts

116 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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On real roads with real traffic and at sensible speeds you're unlikely to "lose" an enthusiastically driven Dacia Duster either.

Brian Fallon

40 posts

71 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Given that we're talking about estates (load luggers, albeit very quick ones), it's very difficult to justify the BMW's significantly higher price. While a petrol car usually delivers better acceleration than a diesel, these are cars more likely to do long motorway miles and heavy lifting duties. Why pay so much more for the BMW because it might be the better drive, if only marginally? The new BMW 440iM (two door), however...that I'm looking forward to seeing.

cerb4.5lee

30,491 posts

180 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Put the B58 petrol engine into the Audi and then that would be pretty much ideal for me. I much prefer the way the Audi looks inside and out but I'd prefer a petrol engine under the bonnet.

The speedo/rev counter in the 3 series looks absolutely pony to my eyes. I thought that I liked the shape of the new 3 series but I'm not keen on this at all, I think that the White colour just doesn't suit it. I really like the Blue ones(saloons) I've seen out on the road though.

Sport220

631 posts

75 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Brian Fallon said:
Given that we're talking about estates (load luggers, albeit very quick ones), it's very difficult to justify the BMW's significantly higher price. While a petrol car usually delivers better acceleration than a diesel, these are cars more likely to do long motorway miles and heavy lifting duties. Why pay so much more for the BMW because it might be the better drive, if only marginally? The new BMW 440iM (two door), however...that I'm looking forward to seeing.
Just doing without the diesel clatter at idle should be worth the premium.

sideways man

1,314 posts

137 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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The headline is ‘BMW M340i Touring vs. Audi S4 Avant’
Where is the conclusion to which is best?