RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S Lightweight and Sport packages

RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S Lightweight and Sport packages

Wednesday 25th March

Lightweight and Sport packages for 911 Turbo S

Need a 650hp 911 to be lighter, and sportier? Now there are two more Turbo options to consider...



As the world around it as continued to change, so the modern 911 Turbo - let's say from 996 onwards - has remained remarkably constant. It's been incredibly fast, nicely appointed, freakishly capable and, given the performance, relatively subtle as well. Now that looks set to change, with both Sport and Lightweight packages being offered for the 992 flagship.

The Turbo is meant to be about all-weather practicality, refinement, and performance, right? Well, opt for a Lightweight package and your comfy chairs up front will be replaced by full bucket seats, and the rear ones ditched entirely. A two-seat Turbo! Combine that with reduced sound insulation and lighter glass, and the Lightweight equipment reduces kerb weight by 30kg. Doesn't sound like much, but there's the potential that with a bit more noise, and the increased sense of connection through the buckets, that past criticism of being a little aloof at less than warp speed might be addressed. Let's see.


The Sport package is said to "emphasise the dynamic attributes of the new flagship 911." An evolution of the Sport Design kit already available, buyers will get "exclusive design tail lights and numerous high-gloss black body details." Hmmm. Interestingly - or perhaps cynically, depending on perspective - the Sport package also comes with a carbon roof, meaning those after the very lightest Turbo S will have to have both upgrades fitted.

Thus equipped, it sounds like the end result may be along the lines of the Carrera T, where a few minor tweaks add up to form a worthwhile overall change. A Turbo ST, if you will, but then that really is a confusing Porsche name. Prices for both Sport and Lightweight packs are yet to be announced, though given the equipment that's involved they're not likely to be small extras. As for their effect on the Turbo S experience, we'll hope to find out as soon as possible - quite when that will be, however, is currently anyone's guess.





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TREMAiNE

Original Poster:

2,981 posts

101 months

Wednesday 25th March
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I think 992 styling is absolutely spot on and the 911 has always been one of my favourite models of any manufacturer but I just have no desire to own a 992. I'd take a 997.2 Turbo over this any day of the week.

Chubbyross

494 posts

37 months

Wednesday 25th March
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It would have been great if they could have given it a switch to change to rear wheel drive only. A GT2 RS at the flick of a switch.

Leftfootwonder

165 posts

10 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Much prefer the small spoiler than the ungainly 'flap'. All 911's should have that.

Augustus Windsock

1,968 posts

107 months

Wednesday 25th March
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I love 911’s but the current crop really make me wonder why the standard equipment doesn’t include a tap, as Porsche seem to want to rinse new owners as much as possible....

Paddy78

195 posts

98 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Augustus Windsock said:
I love 911’s but the current crop really make me wonder why the standard equipment doesn’t include a tap, as Porsche seem to want to rinse new owners as much as possible....
It would seem being incredibly rich is an expensive endeavor.

WCZ

7,609 posts

146 months

Wednesday 25th March
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crazy that porsche haven't milked this as a gimmicky 't' edition considering it has 6x the weight savings of them!

a welcome change though really

foxhounduk

239 posts

132 months

Wednesday 25th March
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There is just something surreal and intangible and cool with the 911 Turbo. It's the leader of it's pack but it doesn't shout about it, looks more or less like every other Porsche (this particular one is almost exactly like a 997 in side profile to my eyes) and doesn't have any funny aero canards or gubbins stuck on unlike other cars, but this thing will do 0-60 in 2 seconds.

godotwait

27 posts

144 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Had a 991.2 Turbo as a courtesy car while my Aston Vantage was being fixed recently. I rated it as probably the fastest way to get from A to B ever invented and certainly the easiest to set such a record. But after 2 weeks of fun with it, I was happy to get my, much slower(!), Aston back. The limits being more manageable and the handling on the limit so much more controllable, made it much more "fun" to drive. It wouldn't even see which way the Porsche went.........but does that really matter? I'm going to change my wife's JCW Mini for a GT86 for much the same reason. Having fun is not related to bragging rights down the local and a properly balanced front/mid-engined, RWD beats all other layouts regardless of price, power or whatever.

Venisonpie

611 posts

34 months

Wednesday 25th March
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-30kgs for the "lightweight" version. Comical.

100

208 posts

28 months

Wednesday 25th March
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the daddy

Car_Nut

101 posts

40 months

Wednesday 25th March
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I agree with all of the above - have fancied a 911 for most of my life, but the lusting stopped when the 991 came out. But then Porsche don't have to worry about me, as after an expensive divorce and Brexit they are permanently out of my reach - but isn't the 911 just a halo car for Porsche these days, rather than the bread and butter that it once was? Hence the ability to charge silly prices.

But then look at Ferraris - some years ago the 355 was not far from my reach - now, not only is a new Ferrari a plaything for the super rich, but also something the size of an aircraft carrier, and not something that I would want even if I could afford it. So one can argue that it the context of its rivals the 911 is still the sensible choice - but do we still want to go there?

Leon R

481 posts

48 months

Wednesday 25th March
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No back seats means it is pretty limited, wonder if it has a cup holder.

Oz83

426 posts

91 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Venisonpie said:
-30kgs for the "lightweight" version. Comical.
And to think people pay almost £13k for the Weissach pack to save 18kg on an already lightweight RS model. Even on track is this weight saving noticable?

Why would anyone want to remove the USP of a 911 (the back seats) just to save 30kg? I thought it was generally accepted that the 911 has grown into a more of a GT car.

C.MW

256 posts

21 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Going by Porsche standard I should call myself lightweight once I lose 2kg.

thelostboy

3,812 posts

177 months

Wednesday 25th March
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I think the Turbo has always benefited from its image created in '80s. They have been pretty anodyne since then, yet have kept the famed reputation.

Other than the face melting speed (although to be fair, you can get an estate car that's just as fast these days), they just aren't much fun. The low for me was the 997.1 which made absolutely zero noise - I don't know how Porsche managed to suck the fun out of something so quick, but they managed it.

Not doubting they are incredible all rounders though, hence despite my moans I've had 3. However, it could never be my only car. Moreover, the GT3 is so refined nowadays that it is genuinely liveable everyday.

Helicopter123

7,391 posts

108 months

Wednesday 25th March
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911 Turbo.

Iconic.

Pretty decent value as well, in a scheme of things.

So much want.

ManyMotors

41 posts

50 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Porsches are wonderful. But I often wonder why they aren't equipped with run-flat tires. The 959 had run-flats. The new Corvette has run flats. Porschephiles offer that a run-flat would increase unsprung weight, which is likely true. But the increase couldn't be felt by the people who actually buy these cars and would at least give mental comfort when on the road. Chevrolet worked with Michelin to develop the run-flat for the C8 - maybe, to Porsche, its a French/German thing or simple not-invented-here.

NGK210

877 posts

97 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Matt Bird said:
The Turbo is meant to be about all-weather practicality, refinement...
“Refinement” - really, how so?
A 992 Carrera S’s cabin is filled with a cacophonous 80dB of road noise at a mere 60mph (source: Harry’s Garage). So, will the 992 Turbo have additional sound proofing? (Indeed, has the Turbo ever had extra sound proofing?)
If not, can we please abandon the myth that 911s are “refined”. The 992 may have the dimensions and weight of a GT but in reality it’s still a noisy sports car.

big_rob_sydney

2,506 posts

146 months

Wednesday 25th March
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At what point do these models cannibalise each other? I mean, they're pretty much all turbos now, barring a small number, and with the addition of this option, or the deletion of that, arent they all much of a muchness now?

Does Porsche just make one car but with 35 different badges, and basically just option them differently?

A1VDY

1,624 posts

79 months

Wednesday 25th March
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Porker on a diet saves 30kg, burger eating, fried egg and bean slurping fatty puts it straight back on in the seat..