RE: Peugeot reveals Le Mans challenger

RE: Peugeot reveals Le Mans challenger

Wednesday 4th October 2006

Peugeot reveals Le Mans challenger

Diesel racecar aims to emulate Audi's success


Peugeot 908
Peugeot 908
Peugeot revealed its 2007 Le Mans challenger -- the Peugeot 908 V12 HDi DPFS -- at the Paris Motor Show this week. The Peugeot 908's name comes from, “90” designating an exceptional Peugeot model and 8 the next number in sequence after the 907 concept car.

Following on from Audi's successes with a diesel-powered racing car, Peugeot announced its decision last June to pick up the gauntlet and try to win the 24 Heures du Mans with an oilburner.

The choice of body style is that of a closed car, in line with changes to the regulations announced by the Automobile Club de l’Ouest on 16 June 2006. Equally there was also a desire to keep a link with the two-times winner of the Le Mans 24 Hours in 1992 and 1993, the Peugeot 905.

While from a technical point of view this solution presents a number of challenges (weight, height of the centre of gravity and operational issues), the Peugeot Sport team feel that it also offers advantages, particularly in terms of chassis rigidity and aerodynamics.

Monocoque body

The monocoque body of the 908 is made of carbon fibre and is a truly closed structure, compared to the 905, which was a “racing car” with a detachable tubular rollover bar. This type of structure offers strong natural rigidity (the “eggshell” effect) and allows the weight of the monocoque body to be optimised.

Created from scratch at the beginning of 2006, Peugeot Sport’s aerodynamics department had the difficult task of designing in just a few weeks an exterior body that was both original and aerodynamically efficient.

Three months after the appointment of the aerodynamics project team leader, a model of the car was undergoing its first tests in the wind tunnel. The car's overall shape results not only from the necessary compromise between aerodynamic efficiency and drag, but also the need to provide optimum airflow to the different radiators and intercoolers located within the generously dimensioned bodywork.

Suspension, steering, brakes

Given the challenge of designing a complete car in record time and the particular constraints of the HDi DPFS engine, the Peugeot Sport team relied on proven solutions for the front and rear suspension design, the electric power steering and the brakes.

Gearbox

The gearbox is located longitudinally and the assembly can accommodate up to six gear ratios, the limit laid down by the regulations. It has been designed to withstand the enormous torque of the engine, while ensuring it is as lightweight and compact as possible. The gearbox is controlled electro-pneumatically.

Engine

The Peugeot 908 will be powered by a 100-degree V12 HDi diesel engine with a capacity of 5.5 litres. This is the maximum capacity permitted by the regulations and was chosen due to its efficient operation at low engine speeds. It also gives potential future development opportunities to use different grade fuels.

The choice of a 12 cylinder engine helps keep the cylinder bore diameter very close to that of a production series engine. In doing so, Peugeot can call on its extensive knowledge of diesel combustion and also ensure the engine has a reasonable piston stroke. The V12 architecture, well known for its good balance, also reduces engine vibrations to a minimum. The V angle, like the V12 architecture, makes it possible to lower the height of the engine’s centre of gravity without affecting the engine’s torsional rigidity.

Performance is expected to be a power output of over 700bhp and torque in excess of 885lb-ft.

Two diesel particulate filters are located at the end of each exhaust system and are designed to ensure smoke-free operation under all conditions. The two exhaust systems are kept as short as possible. On each side, a six-into-one exhaust manifold is connected to a Garrett turbocharger, then to a very compact diesel particulate filter before ending in a side exhaust pipe, located in front of the rear wheel.

Electronics

The 908 will benefit from Peugeot Sport’s expertise and knowledge in electronics as a result of its experience with WRC cars, in particular with respect to its experience of electronically controlled differentials. Peugeot Sport will also benefit from the experience of the project’s main supplier Bosch, which will be supplying and developing the system, which operates the traction control among other elements.

Technical specification

Engine

  • Rear central longitudinal position
  • All-aluminium with one-piece aluminium cylinder block
  • 12 cylinders, V angle 100°
  • Capacity: 5.5 litre
  • Common rail high pressure direct injection (HDi)
  • Engine management system: Bosch MS17
  • Power: 700bhp
  • Torque: 885 lb-ft

Transmission

  • Gearbox: longitudinal with a maximum of 6 gear ratios
  • Electro-pneumatic gearbox control
  • Differential: self-locking
  • Suspension, steering, brakes:
  • Linked front and rear suspension
  • Electric power steering
  • Michelin tyres
  • Wheels: BBS, magnesium

Dimensions

  • Length: 4,650 mm
  • Width: 2,000 mm
  • Minimum weight: 925 kg
Author
Discussion

A10ARF

Original Poster:

477 posts

237 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Oh dear

Hopefully not another 'dull-as-dishwater' sounding Diesel !

Imagine, a grid full of hoovers...

Edited by A10ARF on Wednesday 4th October 12:17

profstoff

1,272 posts

227 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Article said:
...located in front of the rear wheel.


It's a three-wheeler then

GTRene

16,525 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
I think it looks niceyes weight under 1000kg...around 700hp...yummie thats a fast dieselyikes
and if they realy want to they can do a bit exhaust tuning to get a "good" sound...
GTRene

20vt_mk2dub

533 posts

227 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
exhaust tuning - definately needed!

scoobiewrx

4,863 posts

226 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
GTRene said:
I think it looks niceyes weight under 1000kg...around 700hp...yummie thats a fast dieselyikes
and if they realy want to they can do a bit exhaust tuning to get a "good" sound...
GTRene


I agree, i think it looks the biz and i bet goes like the clappers with that spec, however....will it be as good as the Audi????? rotate

billy no brakes

2,675 posts

265 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Looks great but the ACO have restricted the size of the fuel tanks on diesels so they can not go further than the petrol cars thats where Audi had the edge last year.

Bill

tigger1

8,402 posts

221 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
billy no brakes said:
Looks great but the ACO have restricted the size of the fuel tanks on diesels so they can not go further than the petrol cars thats where Audi had the edge last year.

Bill


Isn't that a bit like limiting the bhp of one car to be less than others just because it has a higher top speed? "Urmm...the diesel is 'too good' for the petrols to keep up, lets cripple it by making them go in reverse"

billy no brakes

2,675 posts

265 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
tigger1 said:
billy no brakes said:
Looks great but the ACO have restricted the size of the fuel tanks on diesels so they can not go further than the petrol cars thats where Audi had the edge last year.

Bill


Isn't that a bit like limiting the bhp of one car to be less than others just because it has a higher top speed? "Urmm...the diesel is 'too good' for the petrols to keep up, lets cripple it by making them go in reverse"


yep, but I suppose they could say that it is another class I think

lockup

383 posts

242 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
tigger1 said:
Isn't that a bit like limiting the bhp of one car to be less than others just because it has a higher top speed? "Urmm...the diesel is 'too good' for the petrols to keep up, lets cripple it by making them go in reverse"


That's pretty much it. That's why the "too good" diesels run a 5.5L turbo whereas the petrols are limited to 6L NA or 4L turbo.

RichardD

3,560 posts

245 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
But the big question is - how would it run using chip fat hehe

chrisbr68

4,276 posts

248 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Yeah, I know what you mean about the rules being changed to slow some cars down such as the diesel. Why dont they just make a diesel class and a petrol class?

20vt_mk2dub

533 posts

227 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Its not unfair to limit the size of the petrol tank to make it inline with other cars - its making sure there is no unfair advantage....

and makes for a better competition - something that we would all welcome after last years runaway audi win.

tt280

19 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
billy no brakes said:
Looks great but the ACO have restricted the size of the fuel tanks on diesels so they can not go further than the petrol cars thats where Audi had the edge last year.

Bill


....oh and the small matter of their restrictors being so big that they virtually made no difference, which gave them a theoretically possible 900bhp! but in reality they could turn the wick up to 800bhp+ when not in fuel saving mode.....and the special formulation diesel that Audi made for themselves, the excuse being that std diesel foams too much on refulling. Who ever saw spilt diesel evaporate leaving no residue behind?

runnersp

1,061 posts

220 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
tt280 said:

Who ever saw spilt diesel evaporate leaving no residue behind?

Certainly no motorcyclist I know! But about this Diesel Pug. I know that Diesel is where all the marketing and R&D money is going, but I'm not sure about all of it. Won't we lose some of the spectacle of racing with these quiet fuel efficient glorified trucks running about racetracks. Here in Italy there's even talk of making F3 cars use Alfa JTD engines, aren't things getting a bit out of hand? Or am I just a backward fool who wants things to stay the same?

20vt_mk2dub

533 posts

227 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Surely they can still engineer the sound into these cars?

A quiet le mans track would be soo boring the race would definately suffer as thats half of the spectacle.

archibold

76 posts

283 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Classes is a non-starter you only race at the Pug/Audi level to win outright...what class you do it from is immaterial.

Equalising the energy levels from the fuel by changing the fuel tank size makes sense as they then do the same length stints and it's based upon which car is faster during the stint. That is not similar to restricting a car because it goes too fast in a straight line.

IMHO From a fight to the line perspective Pug vs Audi offers the sharpest challenge for overall honours since Toyota vs Mercedes vs BMW.

Agreed the noise is not the same but hey ho you can't have it all...

Archibold

scotty_917

1,034 posts

222 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
A10ARF said:
Oh dear

Hopefully not another 'dull-as-dishwater' sounding Diesel !

Imagine, a grid full of hoovers...

Edited by A10ARF on Wednesday 4th October 12:17


Totally agree...being there last year I thought the Audi's were earily silent eek Once again I'll be looking for the 'real' cars and racing in GT1 & GT2!

PASTHIM

15,650 posts

234 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
I just don't see how you can have car racing using completely different fuels. Surely it is the most basic of requirements that the cars use the same type of fuel?

Given that diesels are becoming faster and more popular you have to wonder how long before the first F1 diesel. Arggghhhhh!!!!!

W333

417 posts

223 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
I think this is quite an exciting time to be interested in the LMES - we've got Audi and Peugeot bringing something new to the plate, and it only means that the petrol boys have to try a bit harder to keep up... this is a good thing .

roop

6,012 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
quotequote all
Should be good. Peugeot, although their cars are invariably shite, produce the best car diesel engines in the world with far superior technology to the VAG units. Wonder if this advantage will translate to the racing track...? As has been mentioned, let's hope they can make it hammer out a tune through it's big Garretts...