RE: Peugeot 207 GT THP 150

RE: Peugeot 207 GT THP 150

Monday 11th December 2006

Peugeot 207 GT THP 150

High pressure turbo adds tons of torque to this feisty motor. Tom Stewart reports


Peugeot 207 GT THP 150
Peugeot 207 GT THP 150

You’ll know that the original Golf GTi from the 1980s spawned the cult of the hot hatch -- but, of all its copycat rivals, it was Peugeot’s spunky 1.6 and 1.9 205 GTIs which came to really define the genre.

The 206 that followed enjoyed success in WRC guise, but it lacked the involvement and undiluted driving thrills delivered by its 205 predecessors. At the same time ardour for hot hatches cooled during the nineties when buyers seeking change defected to a new generation of affordable roadsters, so the 206 never quite matched the impact or status of the 205 on Real Street.

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Now Peugeot is back with the 207 GT -- but can it deliver?

The 207 GT is more properly called the 207 GT THP 150 which provides a vital clue to its character. THP stands for Turbo Haute Pression (High Pressure Turbo) -- and that means 150bhp at 5,800rpm, a thumping 240lb-ft of torque and a Vmax of 131mph.

With all this on tap you could be forgiven for thinking this to be Peugeot’s latest hot hatch but, as there’s a 175bhp 207 GTi version coming next year, the GT will more accurately reside in the warm hatch category.

Gratifying acceleration

Take a GT for a drive though and you’ll more than likely think it’s several degrees hotter than mere ‘warm’. As is often the case, the straightforward 0-62 time, in this case 8.1 seconds, says little about how this car actually performs on the road. The more astute will have already clocked that this motor’s torque figure is substantial, as are the low revs at which this impressive grunt is achieved – just 1,400rpm. And, unusually for a relatively small engine (1598cc) we’re talking petrol here, not diesel.

In short, and assuming you’re in roughly the correct gear (5-speed), a press on the right-side pedal results in instant, enthusiastic and gratifying acceleration. It’s the kind of lag-free grunt that thrusts you out of corners more quickly than expected and, as the needles sweep effortlessly around the dials, it’s all cracking good fun. In fact, according to Peugeot, the 207 GT accelerates from 50-75mph in 5th in 8.2secs, almost two seconds faster than the lighter 206 GTi.

Aiding and abetting this keen athleticism are strong brakes, a responsive electronic power steering system, a surprising absence of torque steer and inside front wheel spin (the latter aided by a non-intrusive, standard ESP system), supportive front seats, grippy tyres and suspension which keeps things nicely under control, even at three figure speeds on bumpy, rural B roads. Given a sweeter, more positive gearchange action, (it’s been imprecise since the 205 and still is), the GT would be close to faultless from the driver’s perspective.

But what about the Mini?

Having driven the new 175bhp Mini Cooper S recently, and the lower spec 120bhp Cooper, both of which use essentially the same PSA/BMW-developed four-cylinder 16v engine, there are some interesting comparisons to be drawn. The pricier Cooper S makes more horsepower than the 207 GT 150 and in a straight drag race the S would cross the finish line first.

However, the 207’s motor is substantially torquier, so in the real world the Pug’s extra 48lb-ft would narrow the gap considerably. As for the ordinary Cooper (no S), it looses out to the 207 GT on power and performance, and its engine feels strained and unwilling when called upon to work hard. Interestingly, and I confess I haven’t yet figured out quite why, this lack of engine refinement isn’t an issue on the turbocharged 207 GT or Cooper S.

Another point in the 207’s favour is that it can comfortably accommodate two fully-grown adults in the rear, something that Minis cannot. The 207 doesn’t have the Minis’ bijou retro chic appearance, which may or may not be a good thing depending on your personal taste, but there’s no doubt that, in common with other recently introduced Peugeot models, the 207’s Achilles heel is its oversized, grinning front air intake.

Grille grilling

This ill-considered move to blindly bestow Peugeots with an aesthetic brand theme at the expense of visual appeal makes no sense to me. I suspect history will record that of the 205, 206 and 207, it was the 207 which was the ugly sister.

But apart from the front grille, the £14,345 207 is an accomplished bit of kit. It’s punchy, fast, great to drive, practical, economical (40.3mpg combined) and reasonably priced and specced. Its interior lacks the feel and perceived quality of the Mini, but it’s the choice your head would make, if not your heart.

More importantly, at least to me as a long-term devotee of the 205 GTi -- I enjoyed a 1.9 for a few years -- the 207 GT more than lives up to expectations. And the forthcoming GTi version should be a real cracker. We hope.

Correction

The torque figure quoted above, which was supplied by Peugeot, is incorrect -- the car has 177lb-ft at 1,400rpm.

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Discussion

scoobiewrx

Original Poster:

4,863 posts

226 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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When i was a child i pronounced the name.....POOOJO!!!
Nothing much has changed in all those years, but it's still POOOthough!! hehe

rob05

1,194 posts

228 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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Nice looking car well built and should be fun to drive if its anything like the GT110.
Big big improvement over the 206 but like many small performance cars today ridiculously over priced.

Pat H

8,056 posts

256 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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I am sure that the author could have chosen a better word than spunky to describe the 205 GTi...

drink

chrisbr68

4,276 posts

248 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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Err, I must be missing something, I dont understand why not just get a diesel instead? Or is this a petrol replacement for diesel?

Edited by chrisbr68 on Monday 11th December 14:32

scoobiewrx

Original Poster:

4,863 posts

226 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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There will never be another like the 205GTI, and it has fully deserved the iconic status it earned. However, with the rise in petrol/diesel prices i don't think they should be making more hot hatches but instead concentrating on 2cyl turbopetrol and turbodiesel variants that run on next to thin air!! There's a challenge, aren't there enough hot hatches already!!

john_r

8,353 posts

271 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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Nice interior though...

kirsty5150

366 posts

210 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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It'd be ok if it wasn;t so bloody ugly!

Edited by kirsty5150 on Monday 11th December 15:21


Edited by kirsty5150 on Monday 11th December 15:21

Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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Them pillars are gonna be a bugger to see around, wing mirrors in the door sides, and ugly little quarter glass in the bottom of the a-pillar.

Tis just ugly and silly. B road blasting in that will be a nightmare with the limit point sat right behind all that clutter... mmmm great!

Dave

zcacogp

11,239 posts

244 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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john_r said:
Nice interior though...
Ooooh dear me no. One of the worst bits of a modern Peugeot.

(Although I accept that opinions differ on these sorts of things.)


Oli.

martaay

114 posts

223 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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peugeot have re-created shrek

chalky180

57 posts

212 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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After reading Mr Clarkson's comments in the S.Times yesterday, why not save yourself £3000 and go for the new Suzuki Swift instead? Nicer looking car and being Japanese, at least it wont go wrong eh?

deadlym

117 posts

232 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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rob05 said:
Big big improvement over the 206 but like many small performance cars today ridiculously over priced.

It's cheaper than the 306 GTI-6 or S16 were, which the 207 is bigger than.

Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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Sat in one, too high, the end.

And forced induction, how very un-peugeot hot hatch like!

Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 11th December 22:31

Stin Hambo

627 posts

237 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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You have spelled loses incorrectly -

it looses out to the 207 GT on power and performance

moleamol

15,887 posts

263 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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Stin Hambo said:
You have spelled loses incorrectly -

it looses out to the 207 GT on power and performance

That's it Ted, I've had enough now, you're fired.

LeoZwalf

2,802 posts

230 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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"150bhp at 5,800rpm, a thumping 240lb-ft of torque"

Is it me... or does that not seem to add up?! They certainly sound like diesel figures to me.

LeoZwalf

2,802 posts

230 months

Monday 11th December 2006
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LeoZwalf said:
"150bhp at 5,800rpm, a thumping 240lb-ft of torque"

Is it me... or does that not seem to add up?! They certainly sound like diesel figures to me.


Duhh just read what I wrote - 5,800rpm doesn't sound like a diesel figure but the bhp vs lb/ft certainly does.

Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Tuesday 12th December 2006
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LeoZwalf said:
LeoZwalf said:
"150bhp at 5,800rpm, a thumping 240lb-ft of torque"

Is it me... or does that not seem to add up?! They certainly sound like diesel figures to me.


Duhh just read what I wrote - 5,800rpm doesn't sound like a diesel figure but the bhp vs lb/ft certainly does.


Aye, 240lbft equates to ~ 100bhp at 2000rpm, and 140bhp at 3000rpm, so it's what I'd call a very torquey engine if so.

240Nm is better, 180lbft is more in line with the 1.6 unit's specific torque output using forced induction...

Dave

alock

4,227 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th December 2006
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> 240Nm is better, 180lbft is more in line with the 1.6 unit's specific torque output using forced induction.

All the other reviews agree and state 180lbft, e.g.
www.newswheel.com/newswheel/stories/peugeot-prices-up-bmw-powered-207-gt.htm
www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/full-specification.jsp?version_id=6368

Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Tuesday 12th December 2006
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alock said:
> 240Nm is better, 180lbft is more in line with the 1.6 unit's specific torque output using forced induction.

All the other reviews agree and state 180lbft, e.g.
www.newswheel.com/newswheel/stories/peugeot-prices-up-bmw-powered-207-gt.htm
www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/full-specification.jsp?version_id=6368


Funny thing is, for all the technology and things (though it will drive tons more nicely and sound tons nicer), my 2.0 Hdi engine with an intercooler manages 240lbft and 140bhp, with about 45mpg driven "normally ish"

I wonder why they didn't just use a derv engine from their existing stable for the "GT", and then make a car that really NEEDS petrol for the GTi ~ 200bhp+ model... Hmmmmm...

Dave