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964 engine mods...advice

964 engine mods...advice

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warmfuzzies

2,709 posts

172 months

Tuesday 15th January 2008
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christer said:
Hi

My car is also Guards Redsmile
Red?

Kevin

christer

2,803 posts

170 months

Tuesday 15th January 2008
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After Permagard...I would say its spretty damn good...i'll send some pics. PMme on Rennlist and I will email tem to you...smile

G T 3

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2,142 posts

173 months

Tuesday 15th January 2008
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Christer Im looking at HR coilovers cos my car is not low enough,what do you reckon,have you got a pic of the side of yours.


Edited by G T 3 on Tuesday 15th January 21:14

christer

2,803 posts

170 months

Wednesday 16th January 2008
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the H&R coilovers can be adjusted to very slightly below RS specs from memory, I have mine set at about 15mm above RS specs, because I wanted to keep the car off speed humps etc. - so mine is not particularly low, but around 25mm lower than standard. DOn't worry, with the H&R coilovers (and other systems of course) you can go pretty much as low as you want.

I will post pictures but as I get home after dark each day, this will probably be at the weekend to be honest.

The other thing to remember, and not underestimate is the effect of the larger RS anti roll bars that I have. It does make the suspension slighly less compliant, but sharpens the car up a lot. In my opinion, H&R coilovers and RS bars are about as stiff as you want, if you spend a fair percentage of your driving time on the road.


warmfuzzies

2,709 posts

172 months

Wednesday 16th January 2008
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christer said:
the H&R coilovers can be adjusted to very slightly below RS specs from memory, I have mine set at about 15mm above RS specs, because I wanted to keep the car off speed humps etc. - so mine is not particularly low, but around 25mm lower than standard. DOn't worry, with the H&R coilovers (and other systems of course) you can go pretty much as low as you want.

I will post pictures but as I get home after dark each day, this will probably be at the weekend to be honest.

The other thing to remember, and not underestimate is the effect of the larger RS anti roll bars that I have. It does make the suspension slighly less compliant, but sharpens the car up a lot. In my opinion, H&R coilovers and RS bars are about as stiff as you want, if you spend a fair percentage of your driving time on the road.
Christer, are these the ones that you had on when you took me out for a spin last time?

Kevin.
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s1deways

104 posts

134 months

Wednesday 16th January 2008
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I have an old Porsche magazine(can not remember which one) where they test a guys white 964 with a supercharger kit.

Apparently it was awesome and only cost 4k. However you will probably want to be doing brakes, clutch, suspension and some aerodynamic mods to compliment.

If you want more info I will dig the mag out.

Lee

G T 3

Original Poster:

2,142 posts

173 months

Wednesday 16th January 2008
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Burgundy car??? might have the mag also..

TISPKJ

3,108 posts

126 months

Wednesday 16th January 2008
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Christer, how do you value your car ? it must have cost you around 35k no ?

Would you contemplate spliting the car and engine or sell as a whole ?

I have a nice 993 that I am turning into a RS rep so that motor would fit a treat !!

christer

2,803 posts

170 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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warmfuzzies said:
christer said:
the H&R coilovers can be adjusted to very slightly below RS specs from memory, I have mine set at about 15mm above RS specs, because I wanted to keep the car off speed humps etc. - so mine is not particularly low, but around 25mm lower than standard. DOn't worry, with the H&R coilovers (and other systems of course) you can go pretty much as low as you want.

I will post pictures but as I get home after dark each day, this will probably be at the weekend to be honest.

The other thing to remember, and not underestimate is the effect of the larger RS anti roll bars that I have. It does make the suspension slighly less compliant, but sharpens the car up a lot. In my opinion, H&R coilovers and RS bars are about as stiff as you want, if you spend a fair percentage of your driving time on the road.
Yes, no change there!

Christer, are these the ones that you had on when you took me out for a spin last time?

Kevin.

christer

2,803 posts

170 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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TISPKJ said:
Christer, how do you value your car ? it must have cost you around 35k no ?

Would you contemplate spliting the car and engine or sell as a whole ?

I have a nice 993 that I am turning into a RS rep so that motor would fit a treat !!
The path to what I have now is not as direct as it should have been, sometime sdue to my own mistakes and sometimes because when I started 9M and I worked together in creating somethign new. Since then, I have had to go slightly back and redo certain things, in order to get the best result. I am guessing that someone else could do what I have done (and using my experience and the much improved know-how of 9M or similar) by buying a standard car with say high mileage for £13-14K, and then you would spend about £5K on non engine mods, including brakes, suspension and general wear and tear items that always needs replacing on a new-to-you car. I would estimate that in the engine/transmission you would be looking at £20K + VAT. We are talking engine rebuild (top end most probably) Motec, larger injectors, titanium valvetrain, porting of heads (unless you want to spend another £5K on 9M billet heads), 3.8 piston and cyilnders, 9M sprint cams, etc etc. - I actually also installed Carillo rods for strength but I don't know if 9M considers it necessary - but they are good for 8K rpm. So all in all, I think if you are starting with buying a 964 and ending up in the same areas as me you would be looking at £40K. I have spent a little more than that of course, as I had to go first and do some pioneering....

I know i know, its not smart - but then owning a performance car rarely is - and as I am actually fairly passionate about Porsches (and other marques) I have really enjoyed this journey, and I enjoyed sharing it (warts and all) with Rennlist members.

Now to your question, as to splitting the car and engine - definitely not I am afraid. When I drive the car now, it all (in my opinion) hangs together so well, that it would be crazy to split them. Sorry about that.

Value? Well, the value is determined by the market. I could say I want £35K, or I could say I want £20K but unless someone is willing to spend then of course its irrelevant. If we take a RHD 1990 C2 with a *fully* rebuilt engine 650 miles ago, and the other mods I have (non-engine) then what would we say it was worth? £17K? If we take that as a ballpark figure, I guess it depends on whether someone wants to spend £25K+ on their own car or on a standard car they are buying, or whether they would be willing to add some money to the base price in order to get a much more economical path to the level we are talking. Some might not like Guards Red, and on the list goes.

IMHO, this car would suit someone that wants a dual purpose car, road and track. If it is purely track, then throw the old heavy seats out and put some recaros on and off you go. You might get even stiffer suspension for track-only but this depends on the owner. If mainly road like it has been with me, I think it comes close to being as performance focussed as you would want. I have driven 1150 miles in one day in it without any major complaints, but at the same time its like a go kart and with the LSD great fun.

Anyway, before I get all emotional - the car can be viewed and tested, inspections welcome - I know there are a few minor things that need to be sorted that I will either do before I sell, or if the new owner agrees we can discount the price. As the car and I are reasonably known at least on Rennlist - I feel responsible for giving the car to someone without any known problems, but also so I know where it is - maybe I could get it back later on...?smile

Hope that helps, but I will post some pics next week hopefully - and anyway it may well go in the classifieds at a later stage.

TISPKJ

3,108 posts

126 months

Sunday 20th January 2008
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Christer, have PM you but bounces back .....

christer

2,803 posts

170 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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My apologies - please try again - I have updated my profile....

christer

2,803 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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GT3, here is a link to a couple of recent pics I took in low light....so not the best quality...

As I said before, the car is about 15-20mm above RS height, because I wanted it that way - but the coilovers can be adjusted to 50mm down from stock IIRC, so if you wanted lower its not a problem.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562231051gmcG...

G T 3

Original Poster:

2,142 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Cheers looks good...

LWT RSR

399 posts

76 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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christer said:
GT3, I have gone the whole hog (pretty much) with Ninemeister - and I can tell you that it is far from cheap! I currently have a highly modified 964C2 which is showing 371hp and 462Nm on Ninemeister dyno, the engine was fully rebuilt only about 600-700 miles ago. I may have a need to sell it, and I would like it to go to a good home. We can take this offline if you prefer - just let me know how to contact you or PM me or whatever is possible on this board.....I can give you all the details, or you can speak to Colin Belton yourself..?
My 964 has motec on it at the moment and is showing 301bhp how did the guys at ninemeister get all
that extra bhp out of your engine would love to get mine up to 370+ is this really possible and how.
What kind of exhaust were you running?
Induction system?
Cams?
Barrels and Pistons?
I really would like to know.
Thanks ,T.

Pesty

37,298 posts

175 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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tony.t said:
Haven't spent any money on the engine............yet wink

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And you don't need to. Tony's is the most sorted 964 handling wise I have been a passenger in. Spend the money and make it handle like that beofre the power IMO smile

(Think it was tony's I havd a lap in on some remote track in the midlands)

As for mods while the engine is out replacing the dual mass flywheel with a lighter version is worth doing. not too light don't want stalling problems

c2 or C4?

damn it old thread resurection fall for it every time he doesnt even have the car anymore

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 19th July 23:56

thegoose

8,060 posts

129 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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LWT RSR said:
My 964 has motec on it at the moment and is showing 301bhp how did the guys at ninemeister get all
that extra bhp out of your engine would love to get mine up to 370+ is this really possible and how.
What kind of exhaust were you running?
Induction system?
Cams?
Barrels and Pistons?
I really would like to know.
Thanks ,T.
A standard car with no mods at all is capable of over 290bhp when re-mapped (Wayne @ Chipwizards). My girlfriend's dad's 964RS had different cams fitted as well as Motec and made 354bhp (although some would say that would read much more like 400 on 9M's dyno....)

melv

4,706 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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993 hotfilm.....

Beware Ninemiesterhp........

Slippydiff

8,957 posts

142 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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thegoose said:
A standard car with no mods at all is capable of over 290bhp when re-mapped (Wayne @ Chipwizards). My girlfriend's dad's 964RS had different cams fitted as well as Motec and made 354bhp (although some would say that would read much more like 400 on 9M's dyno....)
melv said:
993 hotfilm.....

Beware Ninemiester hp........
I drove the Midnight blue 964 C2 track slag that Darren at Castello (and this post isn't aimed at Castello/Darren, he was only advertising the car as described to him) had on SOR a few months back. It had 3.8, cams, Motec etc and was rated at circa 350hp rolleyes

Both my CSL or my Mk1 GT3 (360hp and in good rude health) would've left it for dead. 350hp my ar*e, closer to 300 (or less) if my experiences of de-catted and re-mapped 964s are anything to go by.



LWT RSR

399 posts

76 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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Will just a cam change make any difference or would you have to go to 3.8 barrels and pistons?

Also can you run this on open pipes with race headers?

And lastly can you fit slidevalve and truppets to a 964 engine?

I want to build something like this,it looks quite powerful