RE: More Pics Of Fake Builder's Van

RE: More Pics Of Fake Builder's Van

Wednesday 7th May 2008

More Pics Of Fake Builder's Van

PHer's pics show how far Derbyshire Police will go in bid to catch speeders


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Authentic-looking rubbish...
Authentic-looking rubbish...
emember the speed trap disguised as a builder’s van?

Since the pics of Derbyshire police repainting their speed van blue to catch out drivers appeared on the web they have been published in a number of national newspapers.

Today PH was emailed by PHer β€˜samsanthony1’, who took the pics, to draw our attention to a number of other shots he took of the same van.

Marvel at the lengths the police have gone to to make the van look authentic.

You can see how they carefully piled up rubbish around the windscreen for that authentic β€˜on a break’ look.

One of the wheels has been painted black as well in a bid to make it looked used and abused.

Samsanthony said when he approached the van the back window – used to point the speed gun out of – closed, although he got a shot before that happened.

He said there was fake plasterboard dust around the rear of the vehicle and also the screwfix catalogue in the dash window.

The sneaky attempt to disguise the van sparked outrage when it first appeared.

Brian Gregory, of the Association of British Drivers, said: β€˜They are going down exactly the same route as the police in Australia and America.

'In one case in America an officer actually dressed up as a tramp while operating a speed trap. How long before that happens here?’

Thanks to samsanthony1 for the pics!





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Skinner.Daddy

Original Poster:

106 posts

144 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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FYI - Done a DVLA check on this vehicle and it came up with the following

Vauxhall
Movano 3.3T Swb H/R 2.2Dti
Panel Van (Integral)
CC - 2187
Colour - White
Reg Date - 01/07/2002
Current Keeper start date - 01/07/2002
Previous Colours - 0
Previous Owners - 0

Ie. it's still owned by plod but further more shouldn't they have made the DVLA aware that the colour has changed? I thought that was a legal requirement?


There is another possibility, it really is a builders van, but it's stolen and they have chosen a very unfortunate registration number to steal!

TUS 373

3,615 posts

227 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Nothing new.

I was done by a 'plumbers' van in Rochdale around 1999.

Tim.C

320 posts

143 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Yup - 1998/99 - My first ever speeding ticket was from the rattiest Mk2 Transit you've ever seen.

I feel the anger coming....

oagent

942 posts

189 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Skinner.Daddy said:
FYI - Done a DVLA check on this vehicle and it came up with the following

Vauxhall
Movano 3.3T Swb H/R 2.2Dti
Panel Van (Integral)
CC - 2187
Colour - White
Reg Date - 01/07/2002
Current Keeper start date - 01/07/2002
Previous Colours - 0
Previous Owners - 0

Ie. it's still owned by plod but further more shouldn't they have made the DVLA aware that the colour has changed? I thought that was a legal requirement?


There is another possibility, it really is a builders van, but it's stolen and they have chosen a very unfortunate registration number to steal!
Does anyone know if its possible to make a citizens arrest if you see this van? Or should we just call the plod and tell them their van has been stolen and repainted.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Already spoken to the partnership last week.

The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".

They are planning to introduce more unmarked vans in Derbyshire.

designer

610 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Underhand tactics just to raise money and nothing to do with reducing road safety. If motorists are speeding, they will not slow down for a builders van parked at the side of the road, but if it was a fully marked up Police van, I would imagine more speeding motorist would slow down, therefore helping road safety!

Tony*T3

14,991 posts

193 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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[quote=designer]Underhand tactics just to raise money and nothing to do with reducing road safety.....quote]


You're so right. Nothing to do with REDUCING road saftey.

robm3

4,595 posts

173 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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It's obvious really, only Truckers, Doggers and Police use those laybys. Any self respecting builder is 'off the beaten track' in case the boss is driving past (or in the local if he's self employed).

Skinner.Daddy

Original Poster:

106 posts

144 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
Already spoken to the partnership last week.

The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".

They are planning to introduce more unmarked vans in Derbyshire.
A real shame as Derby has some great driving roads through the coutryside. I suppose they should be trying to reduce the speeds people drive along them though, I bet more than 2 sheep get killed every year on the roads in derby!!!

Nuova500

8,285 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were giving "no income whatsoever".
EFA

The T Boy

450 posts

186 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
Is that no impact as in "no revenue as everyone drove within the limit" or as in "drivers saw the marked vans and didn't slow down"? Words fail me.

LukeBird

17,154 posts

155 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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They should be utterly ashamed with themselves.
I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but
"Can't they catch some real criminals?"
I mean putting all that effort into catching speeders? Why the fk can't they spend the same amount of money not losing laptops or, cathcing paedos or....., or.....
Whoever thought this was a good idea should give a press statement as to the reasons why (s)he thought it was a good idea and exactly why they were doing it... rolleyes
It really endears people to the Police as well doesn't it? rolleyes

Pathetic, pathetic money-grabbing twunts...

snotrag

11,861 posts

157 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
I find that quite telling.

Presumably, "no impact" means they werent catching people speeding, because they all slowed down when they saw the jam sandwich.

So they have changed to a disguised car, so they catch more people speeding.

Proof, thus, that they are not interested in whether people are driving badly or not, and only interested in catching people and sending them £60 doughnut bills.

Disgusting.

stuartbuckell

3,605 posts

172 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Ken is out, next up the rest of the labour local councils, then the government.

Skinner.Daddy

Original Poster:

106 posts

144 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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10 Pence Short said:
The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
So basically they're admitting that the signed vans did slow down drivers thus making no money thus having no impact whatsoever on revenue. What a joke

singlecoil

27,873 posts

192 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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I was under the impression that the speed detection equipment being used these days could detect a speeder well before they could react to the sight of the vehicle.

In any case, you can see the reasoning behind the unmarked vehicles, which would have a deterrent effect at all times (or rather the knowledge that they exist) rather than marked vehicles which would only deter when they are visible, with no deterrent when not visible.


Mr_C

2,342 posts

175 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Spotted this on Saturday on the Ashbourne to Carsington road just out of Kniveton.



Tony*T3

14,991 posts

193 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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I feel your arguements on this are a little simplistic. Perhaps the police should have been asked to explain better?

I would suggest that what they meant was there was no impact because people could easily see the properly marked vans, and thus would speed when they werent present.

However, the knowledge that any van could contain a camera would ahve the affect of slowing people down generally.

The road outside our house occassionaly (very occasionally) has a copper in his flourescent jacket aiming a radar gun up the road. However, the only affect it has on speeding is when he's there. When he's not, people just do whatever speed they like. His highly visible presence has NO effect the majority of the time, and even when he is there, he's ineffective becasue the people that normally blat through there at double the speed either see him or get warned by other drivers.

Now if he was just a little bit more 'covert' he would catch more people in the act and deter more people from speeding even when hes not there, as they cant really be so sure.

I was exceeding the limit recently on a road and slowed down whilst approaching a van parked in a layby that looked a litle 'suspect'. It wasnt a police van, and it turned out to not even be a camera van. But the thought that it could have been one had its desired affect on my speed.

QED, the mere idea that some camera vans are hard to spot has a desired effect on the general publics behaviour in terms of exceeding the speed limt.

Its also interesting to see the amount of cars that will slow on the motorway when they come up behind one of those HATO wagons.

Burgmeister

2,201 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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10pence it may be worth sending your reply to the local rag and see what they have to say about it. it frankly disgusting.

AntiguaBill

321 posts

164 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Where abouts in Derbyshire have these been spotted? Are they used all over? I live in Staffs and regularly stray over into south derbyshire/derby city. It's shocking though that they are able to do this.