RE: 'Luxury' Nissan GT-R Rumoured
Wednesday 30th September 2009
Nissan is tipped to be getting ready to reveal a luxury version of the GT-R at the Tokyo Motor Show in October.
'Luxury' Nissan GT-R Rumoured
'SpecM' R35 to be a bit of a softy
According to the rumours, the SpecM will include the bodykit and wheels from the flagship SpecV GT-R, but with subtly restyled bumpers, more forgiving suspension and a more luxurious interior.
Perhaps trying to imbue the rest of the car with the hand-made quality of the oily bits, and the SpecM will apparently be offered with a vast array of personalized combinations for the paint, leather and general trim.
The SpecM should also cost significantly less than the £114,000 SpecV at closer to £70,000, depending on spec. And with the 'boggo' GT-R's three current versions still hovering around £60,000 the SpecM will have to do a lot to justify that hefty premium.
Discussion
SpyderPig said:
The GT-R is too much of a GT as it is IMHO, don't really see the point in making it into even more of a cruiser.
Surely the 'point', is to create several variations of the same car in order to appeal to all tastes and sell more.Or is that too obvious?
What difference does it make if they make a SpecP - a pimp version with 30" spinners, a huge stereo and some fringe around the windscreen? Don't like that one? Don't buy it.
Or are you really saying that all manufacturers should make one version of a car and one only?
Edited by PhantomPH on Wednesday 30th September 14:31
PhantomPH said:
SpyderPig said:
The GT-R is too much of a GT as it is IMHO, don't really see the point in making it into even more of a cruiser.
Surely the 'point', is to create several variations of the same car in order to appeal to all tastes and sell more.Or is that too obvious?
What difference does it make if they make a SpecP - a pimp version with 30" spinners, a huge stereo and some fringe around the windscreen? Don't like that one? Don't buy it.
Or are you really saying that all manufacturers should make one version of a car and one only?
Edited by PhantomPH on Wednesday 30th September 14:31
I think Nissan should stick to doing what they do best, and hone their Tech Fest Road Rocket, and forget about have a Spec X, Y and Z in the brochure in a valiant attempt to entice the Aston, Porsche and Jaguar brand-fans to their product .... No matter what goes on under the skin, or inside the cockpit, they should face the fact that many potential buyers cannot see passed the Nissan badge that is (not) glued to the bonnet.
SpyderPig said:
PhantomPH said:
SpyderPig said:
The GT-R is too much of a GT as it is IMHO, don't really see the point in making it into even more of a cruiser.
Surely the 'point', is to create several variations of the same car in order to appeal to all tastes and sell more.Or is that too obvious?
What difference does it make if they make a SpecP - a pimp version with 30" spinners, a huge stereo and some fringe around the windscreen? Don't like that one? Don't buy it.
Or are you really saying that all manufacturers should make one version of a car and one only?
Edited by PhantomPH on Wednesday 30th September 14:31
I love the GT-R but nissan seem to be wasting money.
Still, it doesn't put me off the car one bit.
SpyderPig said:
The GT-R is too much of a GT as it is IMHO, don't really see the point in making it into even more of a cruiser.
Fact is that since it looks like a saloon car most potential buyers will be expecting a saloon car ride. The market for expensive cars with a hard ride that don't look like sportscars is very limited indeed.Sell a car with more extras and increase the profit margin? Waste of money? Some people seem to struggle with basic economics.
Nissan obviously hope to shift a lot of new GTRs WORLDWIDE and the people who buy them cheap 3rd hand and tweak them to death are NOT the kind of people who will shell out £60K (or £100K) for a new one.
To be honest, a slightly softer GTR is probably a lot more usable for MOST PEOPLE on a daily basis, especially the kind of people who might have the disposable income to buy one...
M.
Nissan obviously hope to shift a lot of new GTRs WORLDWIDE and the people who buy them cheap 3rd hand and tweak them to death are NOT the kind of people who will shell out £60K (or £100K) for a new one.
To be honest, a slightly softer GTR is probably a lot more usable for MOST PEOPLE on a daily basis, especially the kind of people who might have the disposable income to buy one...
M.
rottie102 said:
They should sell it as Infiniti, that would sell better.
It doesnt share the same ethos as Infiniti branded cars imo. It doesnt make a difference whether Nissan or not, the GTR is Nissan's baby not the side projects. It would go completely against what Nissan are all about and besides who says it isnt selling well.vz-r_dave said:
rottie102 said:
They should sell it as Infiniti, that would sell better.
It doesnt share the same ethos as Infiniti branded cars imo. It doesnt make a difference whether Nissan or not, the GTR is Nissan's baby not the side projects. It would go completely against what Nissan are all about and besides who says it isnt selling well.I think Nissan should study some past lessons from TVR on pricing. When TVR's were retailing for 27-32k back in the 1990's they were selling like hot cakes, as soon as they increased prices to 47-53k between 2001-2005 people would rather buy a German or Italian sports car and sales dropped by 75%. The same goes for Nissan, people can barely justify 55k for a Japanese sports car but its the sort of money where some will take a punt and try it out, with prices of 70-110k people will definitely go elsewhere for some more exotic looking beast with more heritage and brand value.
SpyderPig said:
Don't see a problem with multiple versions, would quite welcome a version with more luxurious interior (although maybe it would make more sense to be able to spec a more luxurious interior from the options list). I just don't think the softer suspension set-up of the SpecM would particularly appeal to me.
Have you driven (or even ridden in) a stock GT-R?!? They're pretty unforgiving beasts in the ride department, hardly a 'GT' as your initial post suggested.Personally, if I HAD that sort of money, I probably would get the softer version, as I wouldn't want to spank an 1,800kg car around track much (far too heavy - too much wear on tyres and brakes if nothing else), so the stiffer standard suspension would be as much a liability as a boon on UK roads!
havoc said:
SpyderPig said:
Don't see a problem with multiple versions, would quite welcome a version with more luxurious interior (although maybe it would make more sense to be able to spec a more luxurious interior from the options list). I just don't think the softer suspension set-up of the SpecM would particularly appeal to me.
Have you driven (or even ridden in) a stock GT-R?!? They're pretty unforgiving beasts in the ride department, hardly a 'GT' as your initial post suggested.Personally, if I HAD that sort of money, I probably would get the softer version, as I wouldn't want to spank an 1,800kg car around track much (far too heavy - too much wear on tyres and brakes if nothing else), so the stiffer standard suspension would be as much a liability as a boon on UK roads!
It rides like a brick; it's nearly unusable in town (ok, that's b
ks, but it's fking uncomfortable). You compare it to the latest sports and supercars nowadays in terms of ride and its appalling - there's no excuse these days for a st ride. The GTR should ride like a limo (if Audi can make an R8 ride better than a golf...)Knightmorph said:
I think Nissan should study some past lessons from TVR on pricing. When TVR's were retailing for 27-32k back in the 1990's they were selling like hot cakes, as soon as they increased prices to 47-53k between 2001-2005 people would rather buy a German or Italian sports car and sales dropped by 75%. The same goes for Nissan, people can barely justify 55k for a Japanese sports car but its the sort of money where some will take a punt and try it out, with prices of 70-110k people will definitely go elsewhere for some more exotic looking beast with more heritage and brand value.
Nissan studies prices well. GTR is much cheaper than its competition - 911 Turbo and the Italians.Personally, I'm quite surprised people didn't see it coming. R34 had was sold in LOTS of versions (some of them very limited) like VSpec, MSpec, VSpec2 Nur, Z1 etc.
havoc said:
SpyderPig said:
Don't see a problem with multiple versions, would quite welcome a version with more luxurious interior (although maybe it would make more sense to be able to spec a more luxurious interior from the options list). I just don't think the softer suspension set-up of the SpecM would particularly appeal to me.
Have you driven (or even ridden in) a stock GT-R?!? They're pretty unforgiving beasts in the ride department, hardly a 'GT' as your initial post suggested.Personally, if I HAD that sort of money, I probably would get the softer version, as I wouldn't want to spank an 1,800kg car around track much (far too heavy - too much wear on tyres and brakes if nothing else), so the stiffer standard suspension would be as much a liability as a boon on UK roads!
ksWhat's the problem with a luxury spec GTR? I've got one of the first UK cars and it's definitely sporty. It is to my tastes as a second car, but for longer journeys I jump in the 3er. I think the only thing I'd like to see with a comfort-spec GTR is more noise proofing, there is a touch too much noise.
People who think £55k is too much for a Nissan need to look at the prices of other cars. The Nissan is such an exciting, capable car to drive, and you get *so much* for the money. It's the same price as a premium-brand 300bhp RWD roadster (Boxster S with options), yet it has got 50% more power, 100% more driven wheels, and 200% more excitement.
Also, compare it to the price of a Caterham R500...
People who think £55k is too much for a Nissan need to look at the prices of other cars. The Nissan is such an exciting, capable car to drive, and you get *so much* for the money. It's the same price as a premium-brand 300bhp RWD roadster (Boxster S with options), yet it has got 50% more power, 100% more driven wheels, and 200% more excitement.
Also, compare it to the price of a Caterham R500...
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