RE: 2010 Nissan GT-R Upgrades Revealed
Thursday 1st October 2009
Mizuno at the 'Ring yesterday2010 model year upgrades for Nissan's GT-R will include the adoption of the Spec-V's rear diffuser plus new side NACA ducts, suspension tweaks, and an optional NISMO data-logging facility that will let drivers share and compare data via their PCs.
Final 2010 MY testing is underwayThe NISMO data-logging system will be part of an upgraded sat-nav option. As we understand it, owners will be able to download data using a USB memory stick, load it onto their PC for analysis, and even share their numbers with other GT-R drivers online.
PH was there too - full story on its way...Mizuno and Nissan senior vice president Andy Palmer (who was co-incidentally visiting the Nurburgring GT-R test team on the same day) also gave us some insights into the new Spec-M model that has been rumoured for some time. Contrary to the suggestion in our story yesterday, it won't be at the Tokyo motor show next month, but will emerge sometime next year instead.
2010 Nissan GT-R Upgrades Revealed
Stiffer suspension, NACA ducts and data-logging will be next year's highlights
Mizuno at the 'Ring yesterday
The changes were revealed to PistonHeads yesterday by GT-R project chief Kazutoshi Mizuno, who was our host yesterday at the company's Nurburgring technical centre where elements of the 2010 upgrade package - and European Spec-V models - are undergoing their final evaluation.
According to Mizuno-san, the suspension tweaks are minor but include marginally stiffer front spring and damper rates, and stiffer bushing for the rear torsion control arms. The aim is to further increase the driver appeal - or to paraphrase the enigmatic chief engineer 'to make the driver's buttocks feel even closer to the rear wheels during sporty driving'.
Final 2010 MY testing is underway
The adoption of the Spec-V rear diffuser and new NACA ducts next to the rear wheels are there to improve airflow and brake cooling, says Mizuno. The 2010 cars have also been tweaked to meet Euro 5 emissions regs, and an ECU modification improves low-speed tractability in low temperatures when the transmission fluid is still cold.
PH was there too - full story on its way...
We shouldn't get too distracted by the 'comfort' tag, they say, as the core package will be largely undiluted. Instead, think of a GT-R 'plus' with extra luxury fittings like a high-end sound system, expensive interior fittings and a more 'bespoke' feel.
Like the Spec-V, the idea of the Spec-M is to increase exclusivity, not improve accessibility, so although the suspension may be set up for a little more comfort we're not expecting the driving experience to feel very different from the standard car.
Meanwhile the 2010 model year GT-R should be available in the UK early next year, around the same time as the Spec-V edition.
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Discussion
The data logging and uploading to PC will be an interesting concept.
I can imagine all the GT-R owners uploading their car stats from the data logger and comparing 'standard' BHP. It's a good idea though. Although, i'd imagine that same information will also then be available to Nissan mechanics upon service time.
Possibly used as a warranty get out clause too, should anything break after excessive or vigorous driving.
I can imagine all the GT-R owners uploading their car stats from the data logger and comparing 'standard' BHP. It's a good idea though. Although, i'd imagine that same information will also then be available to Nissan mechanics upon service time.
Possibly used as a warranty get out clause too, should anything break after excessive or vigorous driving.
The spec m makes more sense now. You can get all those fancy extras on a 911 or R8 so why not on the GT-R! It can only improve it as a day to day proposition and maybe pick up a few customers they maybe wouldn't have got with the standard model. Just have to hope it doesn't change the character too much!
I test drove the GTR a few months ago, and my back (damaged motorcycling) would not have lasted very long on the rigid suspension.
Then I found a new unregistered AUDI RS6 AVANT at my dealers for less than £60k, I bought it on the spot, and am over the moon with it.
Amongst many other cars we have had are 2 new Nissan Navara pickups in the last 18 months, service is absolutely zero, nobody at my 2 local dealerships are even interested in you when you want to buy one, warranty service nearly non existant (my local dealer has just told me you have to wait at least 3-4 weeks for a reply from Nissan on warranty claims).
I had a back axle fail with 500 miles on the clock, they changed the halfshafts and gave it back. I then had an independent garage do an oil change on the axle, and its seems that when they changed the broken shafts they left the old oil in, they found so much debris, old bearing parts on the magnetic plug.
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
Then I found a new unregistered AUDI RS6 AVANT at my dealers for less than £60k, I bought it on the spot, and am over the moon with it.
Amongst many other cars we have had are 2 new Nissan Navara pickups in the last 18 months, service is absolutely zero, nobody at my 2 local dealerships are even interested in you when you want to buy one, warranty service nearly non existant (my local dealer has just told me you have to wait at least 3-4 weeks for a reply from Nissan on warranty claims).
I had a back axle fail with 500 miles on the clock, they changed the halfshafts and gave it back. I then had an independent garage do an oil change on the axle, and its seems that when they changed the broken shafts they left the old oil in, they found so much debris, old bearing parts on the magnetic plug.
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
HELISUPP said:
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
Once I would have said the same about Mitsubishi.My partner had a Magna that was always throwing shafts and the dealership were hopeless. One set of shafts lasted less than a week. It was a TP Magna and they were notorious for it.
But then I test drove (and purchased) an Evo IX. It's been an awesome car and very reliable. But I take it to a mechanic who prepares Evos for racing and rallies himself (well enough to win some of the local tarmac rallies).
I think if you pick the right model and a good mechanic, almost any brand car can be a great vehicle to own.
But then, I had a Lotus Excel as a daily driver for several years. Maybe my perception is a little skewed.
HELISUPP said:
I test drove the GTR a few months ago, and my back (damaged motorcycling) would not have lasted very long on the rigid suspension.
Then I found a new unregistered AUDI RS6 AVANT at my dealers for less than £60k, I bought it on the spot, and am over the moon with it.
Amongst many other cars we have had are 2 new Nissan Navara pickups in the last 18 months, service is absolutely zero, nobody at my 2 local dealerships are even interested in you when you want to buy one, warranty service nearly non existant (my local dealer has just told me you have to wait at least 3-4 weeks for a reply from Nissan on warranty claims).
I had a back axle fail with 500 miles on the clock, they changed the halfshafts and gave it back. I then had an independent garage do an oil change on the axle, and its seems that when they changed the broken shafts they left the old oil in, they found so much debris, old bearing parts on the magnetic plug.
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
i am afraid this could be levelled at virtually all car dealerships at some point in time....Then I found a new unregistered AUDI RS6 AVANT at my dealers for less than £60k, I bought it on the spot, and am over the moon with it.
Amongst many other cars we have had are 2 new Nissan Navara pickups in the last 18 months, service is absolutely zero, nobody at my 2 local dealerships are even interested in you when you want to buy one, warranty service nearly non existant (my local dealer has just told me you have to wait at least 3-4 weeks for a reply from Nissan on warranty claims).
I had a back axle fail with 500 miles on the clock, they changed the halfshafts and gave it back. I then had an independent garage do an oil change on the axle, and its seems that when they changed the broken shafts they left the old oil in, they found so much debris, old bearing parts on the magnetic plug.
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
i had a shocking experience at a Mazda dealer who suggested it was normal for an RX8 engine to fail at 48,000 miles ....they weren't even appologetic.
HELISUPP said:
I test drove the GTR a few months ago, and my back (damaged motorcycling) would not have lasted very long on the rigid suspension.
Then I found a new unregistered AUDI RS6 AVANT at my dealers for less than £60k, I bought it on the spot, and am over the moon with it.
Amongst many other cars we have had are 2 new Nissan Navara pickups in the last 18 months, service is absolutely zero, nobody at my 2 local dealerships are even interested in you when you want to buy one, warranty service nearly non existant (my local dealer has just told me you have to wait at least 3-4 weeks for a reply from Nissan on warranty claims).
I had a back axle fail with 500 miles on the clock, they changed the halfshafts and gave it back. I then had an independent garage do an oil change on the axle, and its seems that when they changed the broken shafts they left the old oil in, they found so much debris, old bearing parts on the magnetic plug.
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
Sounds like a dealer issue rather than the manufacturer. I always love to see someone sneak a vehicle purchase into an unrelated topic though...class!Then I found a new unregistered AUDI RS6 AVANT at my dealers for less than £60k, I bought it on the spot, and am over the moon with it.
Amongst many other cars we have had are 2 new Nissan Navara pickups in the last 18 months, service is absolutely zero, nobody at my 2 local dealerships are even interested in you when you want to buy one, warranty service nearly non existant (my local dealer has just told me you have to wait at least 3-4 weeks for a reply from Nissan on warranty claims).
I had a back axle fail with 500 miles on the clock, they changed the halfshafts and gave it back. I then had an independent garage do an oil change on the axle, and its seems that when they changed the broken shafts they left the old oil in, they found so much debris, old bearing parts on the magnetic plug.
No way would we ever purchase another Nissan no matter how cheap or how good or what "special" dealer is set up to service them.
Its a massive learning curve for Nissan, they are trying to regenerate a pretty decent brand by using a halo car which is (if you believe the hype) out gunning Porsche. As more and more of these GT-R variants are released the dealers and HPC will have to evolve to suit its new client base no matter how small they are. Give them a bit of time and patience however if they do mess you about complain to Head office!! It worked with me and my Fiat1
DP 1 said:
//dean said:
Stiffer suspension???
What, are they removing it completely?
lol and I still love the claimed outputs for this car- Evo magazine put 2 on a rolling road and found that the slighty modified one with a larger downpipe had over 550 bhp!!What, are they removing it completely?
Mine then went up to 547hp with a Cobb Stage 1 remap, and the otherwise stock car went up to 541.
I'm back to the same rolling road on the 10th and expect it to be nearer 580hp now I have a custom 99RON map...
Strangely, the original Japanese and American spec cars had stiffer suspension which was then softened slightly for the Euro spec (which then went faster still at the Nordschleife). If they've stiffened it up again, I'm glad I've got a 2009 Euro spec!
Chris R, why didn't you get pics of these NACA ducts and rear diffuser of which you speak?!
Godzilla said:
Chris R, why didn't you get pics of these NACA ducts and rear diffuser of which you speak?!
Well, because they said we could photograph anything except... you guessed it!Anyway, we thought PHers would be more interested in comparing in-car footage of Toshio Suzuki and Dirk Schoysman doing their thing. Amazingly different approaches to the same challenge - watch this space for some pretty cool videos.
Oh, and after being driven fast around the 'Ring by both (with Suzuki driving at 7min 45sec pace - his words - and an indicated 175mph on the main straight both times), it was kind of hard to concentrate on, er, you know, work..?
Edited by Chris-R on Thursday 1st October 17:24
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