RE: 'Not Guilty' Motorists Face Court Costs

RE: 'Not Guilty' Motorists Face Court Costs

Tuesday 20th October 2009

'Not Guilty' Motorists Face Court Costs

Drivers acquitted of motoring charges will pay costs under new government scheme


Could you afford to fight an unfair ticket?
Could you afford to fight an unfair ticket?
New regulations set to come into force later this month will see motorists forced to cough up court costs - even if they're found not guilty or acquitted of motoring offences.

The government-inspired change to the current set-up - where drivers get costs refunded if they're innocent - is being implemented to save cash, in spite of fierce opposition from legal and motoring groups who were nominally 'consulted' before the new policy was drawn up.

According to the Ministry of Justice, the age old principle of 'the loser pays' has been costing the government too much money. As a result the new rules make it clear that in future drivers will have to foot the bill for clearing their name. According to The Taxpayers Alliance, that equates to 400,000 people, or one in four of those who challenge a ticket.

Now the Conservative party has joined the last ditch effort to derail the changes, and campaigners are looking for more signatories to a petition on the Number 10 website. We're off to go and sign the petition ourselves, and you can find out more by reading the press release below, that was issued by the Association of Motor Offence Lawyers today.

YOU CAN SIGN THE PETITION HERE

AMOL press Release:

Tories Back Protest Against the MOJ's New Costs Recovery Rules & Vote for Parliamentary Debate

Current law dictates that if you have paid for legal representation and are prosecuted for an offence and found not guilty, you will receive an order for your costs to be assessed and paid back by the court. However, according to the Ministry of Justice, this age old principle of "the loser pays" was costing the government too much money. A consultation was first announced in 2008 on restricting the costs the government has to pay as a result of losing so many cases.

The consultation attracted responses from over 100 organisations and individuals. Responses included overwhelming opposition to the change in rules, as it was felt that if a person is proven innocent they should not be financially penalised with an extensive legal bill. The new rules, to be implemented in October, will mean that even if a defendant is acquitted of an offence, they will be expected to foot the majority of their legal bill themselves.

In June 2009, the MOJ announced their plans to go ahead with their rule changes regardless of the resistance. Jeanette Miller, President of the Association of Motor Offence Lawyers, was astounded that the MOJ ignored the opposition and steam-rollered ahead with changes in the rules. Not satisfied with the MOJ's complete disregard to the protests raised during the consultation process, she launched an e-petition live on the no.10 website. To date the petition is backed by 3,559 signatures and the number is increasing every minute - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CostsRecovery.

Miss Jeanette Miller of the Association of Motor Offence Lawyers (AMOL) comments:"I recognize that government spending may need to be reduced but it will be taxpaying motorists and small businesses who will be most penalized by the planned rule change. Saving money at the expense of having a fair system with access to justice for all parties accused of a crime is not the answer. It will most likely result in increased costs as lawyers across the country are being briefed on a campaign to make wasted costs applications in every instance of CPS inefficiency which will result in the CPS being forced to pay sums expected to far outweigh the amount the government are seeking to save."

The petition itself outlines the affect these rules will have on motorists, as legal aid is not available for the majority of motoring prosecutions and most members of the general public will appreciate the grave impact of the inability to defend a prosecution for a motoring offence being that there are currently around 27 million licence holders in the UK. However, if allowed to be implemented, the rule changes will also affect any defendant acquitted of a crime in the Magistrates' Court if they chose to instruct a lawyer who charges normal (not legal aid) rates. 1.4 million motorists were prosecuted through the Magistrates' Courts in 2007. 26% were found not guilty. This is a huge issue and until now, it seemed to be sweeping in under the carpet due to a lack of understanding of what it actually means to the average citizen on the street.

So far the petition has support from the Law Society, dozens of QC's and the Criminal Bar Association have fully endorsed the sentiments behind the petition. The petition is also backed by the following organizations:

1. Association of Motor Offence Lawyers (AMOL);
2. Health and Safety Lawyers Association;
3. The Criminal Bar Association;
4. The Association of British Drivers;
5. Drivers' Alliance (responsible for the largest ever petition against road pricing who obtained 1.8 million signatures over a 3 month period); and
6. The London Criminal Solicitors' Association;
7. The Taxpayers' Alliance; and
8. The AA.

Matthew Elliott, Chief Executive at the TaxPayers' Alliance said:"This proposal is unjust, unfair and will prevent innocent motorists from effectively fighting penalties. With police forces too often using speed cameras more to raise revenue than save lives, it is vital that people are given a fair opportunity to clear their names when given an unjust penalty charge; they shouldn't be financially punished if they are acquitted. Motorists will fight this to the hilt, and the Government is going to feel the full force of people power until it sees sense and backs down."

Dominic Grieve QC MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Justice and MP for Beaconsfield commented:
"I entirely share your concern about these proposals and do not believe that it is right that the defendant should only receive a fraction of their legal costs back from central funds if they are acquitted. While there may be an argument for preventing a claim for grossly excessive costs, the Government's proposals appear to me to be unfair and wrong."

Since launching the petition, it has gathered increasing support from members of parliament. After spending an afternoon at the Houses of Parliament with Shadow Minister for Access to Justice, Henry Bellingham MP, he made the decision to call for a committee to be selected to pray against the new cost recovery rules, with a statutory instrument to be implemented at the end of October.

Mr. Henry Bellingham MP is confident of a vote being organised within the next two weeks saying:
"It is a disgrace that Ministers apparently have no intention of debating this issue in the House to justify themselves. That is why we will try to force a vote and a debate on the new regulations."

Mr. Henry Bellingham MP went on to say:

"If the Conservatives win the next election they will certainly wish to review this issue as far from saving money, it might actually trigger numerous additional cost that would far exceed the government's target to save £20 million per year."

PRESS RELEASE ENDS

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vetteheadracer

Original Poster:

8,271 posts

253 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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That is outrageous but why am I not surprised?


dazsmith69

284 posts

192 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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bds, havent got a fking clue

Labour are doing everything in their power to fk up the country as much as possible before the Tories get their hands on it

BluePurpleRed

1,137 posts

226 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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This is a disgrace. Perhaps they should consider why they are losing all the time.

T89 Callan

8,422 posts

193 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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What a bunch of self serving narrow minded scum our government is. Pathetic disregard for democracy and justice in the extreme.

jammiedodger26

634 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Fantastic...so copper makes a mistake, you challenge it and you still have to pay....fan-bloody-tastic!

Bunch of eejits!

bakerjuk

268 posts

191 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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This strikes me as not something the people would want.. and in this "Democracy" are the government not supposed to do what we want?? This strikes me as just another Oligarchy with a nice facade.

I am not so sure any other party will be different. What we truly need in charge is a voice for the people and not someone who follows a particular party line.

Basically they are trying to force us to agree to the NIP irrespective of our guilt. Which I always thought was against the law. Clearly our government is taking a leaf from Berlosconi eek

alwayzsidewayz

1,527 posts

191 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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That is just unreal, crazy and unfair in the extreme. bloody hell in what new type of hell, does being proved right and correct, equal having to still pay for the right of being proved innocent.

tegwin

1,629 posts

206 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Its not April the 1st ..... stop joking us about!....





Oh.. hang on... your being serious... WTF!

CypherP

4,387 posts

192 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Punishing the innocent. This gets better every single day.

MP's use our tax money to cover their ludicrous expenses, and the people of the nation are repaid in ways like this, because of their inability to utilise tax payers money where really needed. fk the lot of them. This country's government is a complete and utter fking shambles.


cptsideways

13,545 posts

252 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Surely human rights laws can come into this?

talksense001

3,524 posts

179 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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FFS. This almost beggars belief. Well, it would in most First World countries. Maybe they could save money by avoiding dragging countless innocents through the dirt in the first place, just a thought.

Kozy

3,169 posts

218 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Maybe they ought to reassess how they hand out tickets. Instead of handing them out like flyers and simply hoping that enough of them go unchallenged, maybe they should just hand them out fairly?

What was that? Common sense? Line me up against the wall Mein Fuhrer...

Keaver

5 posts

174 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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About right. Roll on May 2010. Seriously you couldn't make this stuff up.

Oh they did;)


Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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I can't wait to get rid of them and their loony tunes. Labour are bringing this country to it's knees.

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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cptsideways said:
Surely human rights laws can come into this?
That's what I was thinking.

How can you be tried for a crime. Found Innocent then you have to pay the costs?

Surely this is pushing people on low income (but not low enough to gain legal aid) to just accept the charges made against them and not defend themselves?

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Petition signed, not that it will make any difference. boxedin

joe_90

4,206 posts

231 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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cptsideways said:
Surely human rights laws can come into this?
+1 that must do.. or it sets a president for every government based case in the long run.

keeny88

4 posts

177 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Why should we pay for their cock-ups, roll on the elections, we need to get these imbeciles out!

crofty1984

15,858 posts

204 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Fire99 said:
cptsideways said:
Surely human rights laws can come into this?
That's what I was thinking.

How can you be tried for a crime. Found Innocent then you have to pay the costs?

Surely this is pushing people on low income (but not low enough to gain legal aid) to just accept the charges made against them and not defend themselves?
We should all take Gordon Brown to court for cattle rustling. Sure, he'll get off, he's innocent (well, of THAT crime), but he'll still get to pay for his defence costs. Couple of thousand people do that and he should get the message.

TheOrangePeril

778 posts

180 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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No doubt we'll see ten times the number of hair-dryers hiding in laybyes from now on...