RE: Eco-Towns To 'Charge Cars To Leave'
Discussion
Quote topic said:
These limitations would include restricting on-street parking, no provision of garages close to houses and potential charging for leaving Hanley Grange by means of number plate recognition devices. The developers are understood to be offering vastly improved public transport and a cycle/pedestrian overpass in return.
yeah right so what happens when they want to go to south of cornwall for the weekend for holiday are they going to use the bus cause they've been priced out of their cars this is really good for for the country.
These limitations would include restricting on-street parking, no provision of garages close to houses and potential charging for leaving Hanley Grange by means of number plate recognition devices. The developers are understood to be offering vastly improved public transport and a cycle/pedestrian overpass in return.
yeah right so what happens when they want to go to south of cornwall for the weekend for holiday are they going to use the bus cause they've been priced out of their cars this is really good for for the country. Whine whine whine, there is absolutely no issue here since the choice to live in one of these places is up to you. I for one would never buy a house or flat were there was no were to park my car, but thats me hence why i'm not going to have a whinge since this is not going to affect me at all.
Well, first it was Orwell's 1984 - now reality in the UK.
Next storyline to become reality will
be George Markstein's 'The Prisoner' of 1967 which starred Patrick McGoohan
in the TV version with the Lotus 7 KAR120C which he supposedly built himself.
Perhaps the government of Hovis, Darling, Milipeed, Balls and co will instigate abducting people and families and take them to idyllic 'ECOTOWN', but just like in Markstein's story it is really no more than a bizarre prison.
The only difference is if you try to escape it will cost you... ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££s
Next storyline to become reality will
be George Markstein's 'The Prisoner' of 1967 which starred Patrick McGoohan
in the TV version with the Lotus 7 KAR120C which he supposedly built himself.
Perhaps the government of Hovis, Darling, Milipeed, Balls and co will instigate abducting people and families and take them to idyllic 'ECOTOWN', but just like in Markstein's story it is really no more than a bizarre prison.
The only difference is if you try to escape it will cost you... ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££s
poing said:
NATM5 said:
Honestly, like the first comment they would charge me once...............on the way out.
Id like to see them do the weekly shopping for a family of 4 on the bus...........
or take the kids to their swimming lesson, or music lesson , or football on a sat/sun morning.
All of these measures are just stealth / more taxes.
Im sick of the green scaremongers wanting to charge everyone for everything. What you going to charge me next............for breathing .?
As for public transport, well that sucks...........its already overcrowded, extremely expensive, slow and dirty.
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
Nice first post !Id like to see them do the weekly shopping for a family of 4 on the bus...........
or take the kids to their swimming lesson, or music lesson , or football on a sat/sun morning.
All of these measures are just stealth / more taxes.
Im sick of the green scaremongers wanting to charge everyone for everything. What you going to charge me next............for breathing .?
As for public transport, well that sucks...........its already overcrowded, extremely expensive, slow and dirty.
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
I agree 100% with you. Myself and my partner have chosen not to have kids and we are actually taxed for not causing damage to the enviroment or extra costs to the various public services. I also drive a small 2 seater car, but I have to pay higher road tax than some 4x4's for doing less damage and taking up less space. I think I'm doing something wrong, I actually need to take some drugs, lose my job and have 20 kids with 12 different women and I'll probably be better off.
bga said:
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
Yes great idea, they tired that in China and it worked really well..........oh, wait no it didn't. Whilst we're at it, let's blame those foreigners and kick them off our shores, then force our logic on the 3rd world. Sorry Mr Somalian, you'll have to starve to death as we're now bringing in child quotas. Don't blame us, we all have to reduce our carbon footprint POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
Edited by Negative Creep on Thursday 12th June 20:18
Damn, I was just gazing off my front porch, over the eight cars that I and my family of 5 kids own (No, all with the same lovely angel of a woman). As I considered what our "carbon footprint" might be, the following occurred to me. We all keep our cars as necessities, aside from the vintage Vette I own and an RX7 Turbo of my son's. Our list does not include an SUV or monstrous pickup. All but the vintage cars are 4-cylinder motors. The younger drivers in the family all practice what is to me the epitome of automotive recycling, driving (as you call them) "sheds" which are no less that 18 years old with long miles on their clocks. Purchased on each kid's budget, we drag them home and lift them up to safe, roadworthy status once again, always running better and cleaner, usually extracting 50-100k miles from each example. Usually they can be resold or traded once out of student status and the kid's income level rises.
Before I'm flamed to Hell for the fam's horrible excess, I'd point out that I've taught conservation, work ethic and consideration to all of them. So far, they are all excellent citizens and helpful neighbors. Try for the life of me, as we all sit round the dinner table I can't imagine which of them I'd give back if it were suddenly illegal to have more than 2 kids. Those of you who'd limit procreation are just as bad as the eco-weenies who try to shove green down our throats. Who the hell are you to suggest dictating what size a family should be?? Further, I resent the insinuation that those with large families somehow possess smaller brains or decreased willingness to work! It's with all my strength I resist posting "Up yours!" in response. (Whoops, guess I did. Damn my small brain!)
Think CHINA. Great example of a society littered with a community structure very similar to the eco-town setup, and just by coincidence, population control. Unless I'm mistaken, one pays to leave there as well. Wonderful society, that one.
These days, in general, if you don't drive you can't work, unless you live in a city and land a position within. I have to believe the sentiment that they'll ultimately fail and either revert to run down non-eco operation or walled slums to contain the unemployed (likely both). Since this is a government-funded project, my money would be on the latter. Be very careful as they're put in place. A foot in the door, could soon become a model for ALL communities. "Yes, we're going "eco" next year. Not sure what we'll do, etc."
Thinking of the best place to put my carbon footprint - ooh, it's dark in there!
Before I'm flamed to Hell for the fam's horrible excess, I'd point out that I've taught conservation, work ethic and consideration to all of them. So far, they are all excellent citizens and helpful neighbors. Try for the life of me, as we all sit round the dinner table I can't imagine which of them I'd give back if it were suddenly illegal to have more than 2 kids. Those of you who'd limit procreation are just as bad as the eco-weenies who try to shove green down our throats. Who the hell are you to suggest dictating what size a family should be?? Further, I resent the insinuation that those with large families somehow possess smaller brains or decreased willingness to work! It's with all my strength I resist posting "Up yours!" in response. (Whoops, guess I did. Damn my small brain!)
Think CHINA. Great example of a society littered with a community structure very similar to the eco-town setup, and just by coincidence, population control. Unless I'm mistaken, one pays to leave there as well. Wonderful society, that one.
These days, in general, if you don't drive you can't work, unless you live in a city and land a position within. I have to believe the sentiment that they'll ultimately fail and either revert to run down non-eco operation or walled slums to contain the unemployed (likely both). Since this is a government-funded project, my money would be on the latter. Be very careful as they're put in place. A foot in the door, could soon become a model for ALL communities. "Yes, we're going "eco" next year. Not sure what we'll do, etc."
Thinking of the best place to put my carbon footprint - ooh, it's dark in there!
Edited by LoudPedal on Thursday 12th June 20:21
The answre to the green problem, is this:
Treble the number of trains and buses (inc. those in Park & Ride). Make them all free.
We all size up cost against convenience but public transport is so s
te it hurts and the Government doesn't really have any incentive to make it better. How screwed would they be if NO ONE drove a car in the UK for a month?
Treble the number of trains and buses (inc. those in Park & Ride). Make them all free.
We all size up cost against convenience but public transport is so s
te it hurts and the Government doesn't really have any incentive to make it better. How screwed would they be if NO ONE drove a car in the UK for a month?Negative Creep said:
bga said:
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
Yes great idea, they tired that in China and it worked really well..........oh, wait no it didn't. Whilst we're at it, let's blame those foreigners and kick them off our shores, then force our logic on the 3rd world. Sorry Mr Somalian, you'll have to starve to death as we're now bringing in child quotas. Don't blame us, we all have to reduce our carbon footprint POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
Edited by Negative Creep on Thursday 12th June 20:18
NATM5 said:
Honestly, like the first comment they would charge me once...............on the way out.
Id like to see them do the weekly shopping for a family of 4 on the bus...........
or take the kids to their swimming lesson, or music lesson , or football on a sat/sun morning.
All of these measures are just stealth / more taxes.
Im sick of the green scaremongers wanting to charge everyone for everything. What you going to charge me next............for breathing .?
As for public transport, well that sucks...........its already overcrowded, extremely expensive, slow and dirty.
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
GCSE's have obviously finished. Pop out and get yourself a part time job for the summer - there's a good chapId like to see them do the weekly shopping for a family of 4 on the bus...........
or take the kids to their swimming lesson, or music lesson , or football on a sat/sun morning.
All of these measures are just stealth / more taxes.
Im sick of the green scaremongers wanting to charge everyone for everything. What you going to charge me next............for breathing .?
As for public transport, well that sucks...........its already overcrowded, extremely expensive, slow and dirty.
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
peter450 said:
Whine whine whine, there is absolutely no issue here since the choice to live in one of these places is up to you. I for one would never buy a house or flat were there was no were to park my car, but thats me hence why i'm not going to have a whinge since this is not going to affect me at all.
I think you're taking something of a short-term view here. I can see two potential pitfalls.Firstly, there is a large class of recent graduates, aged between 20 and 30, who have effectively been squeezed out of home ownership by high prices, are being clobbered by rising rent and bills, and would happily live in a low-cost house designed to minimise bills. I am one of these people. However, I also like cars and might have two or more on my drive, plus a 'bike, at any one time. I hope I'm not forced into making that compromise.
Secondly, what's to stop the government converting existing towns into partial eco-towns if this is seen to be 'successful'? Double yellows outside your house, ANPR cameras at the end of your street etc.
gti_james said:
I am genuinely astounded by this absolutely ridiculous idea being proposed here.
Honestly its getting ridiculous now, if they do this, this level of stupidity will escalate to other areas of the country and in the end, there will be a huge revolution and to be honest I bloody hope there is because that is exactly what the UK needs right now - the government and society is an utter joke.
It doesn't matter what they do in the next couple of years now - they are out and they know it. Unfortunately, their meddling has basically given them carte blanche to ruin the country with whatever harebrained schemes and money-burning exercises they can cram in before the final curtain, thus leaving whoever replaces them to clean up the mess, which they will then, in opposition, blame on the new government.Honestly its getting ridiculous now, if they do this, this level of stupidity will escalate to other areas of the country and in the end, there will be a huge revolution and to be honest I bloody hope there is because that is exactly what the UK needs right now - the government and society is an utter joke.
This town is very eco-unfriendly and on already some of the busiest roads in the area. It's the same place that the Top Gear presenters signed the petition for:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
There is a great need for affordable housing in the area but that is being addressed with another new town and other developments much closer to where employment is - i.e Cambridge. This scheme has also been refused by local and regional planning inquiries.
If you want to sign the same petition as the TG trio at http://stophanleygrange.org.uk/
And while you are at it, please support www.nofordecotown.com as that one is equally appalling and as far as I can see is on mostly greenfield site, hemmed in by the sea putting thousands of cars onto local roads.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
There is a great need for affordable housing in the area but that is being addressed with another new town and other developments much closer to where employment is - i.e Cambridge. This scheme has also been refused by local and regional planning inquiries.
If you want to sign the same petition as the TG trio at http://stophanleygrange.org.uk/
And while you are at it, please support www.nofordecotown.com as that one is equally appalling and as far as I can see is on mostly greenfield site, hemmed in by the sea putting thousands of cars onto local roads.
Twincam16 said:
...Firstly, there is a large class of recent graduates, aged between 20 and 30, who have effectively been squeezed out of home ownership by high prices, are being clobbered by rising rent and bills, and would happily live in a low-cost house designed to minimise bills. I am one of these people. However, I also like cars and might have two or more on my drive, plus a 'bike, at any one time. I hope I'm not forced into making that compromise.
...
You should consider it. Ten years ago I made the choice between a fast BMW or a deposit on a house near work. I took the latter option and, having sold the bike and run either no car or something light on the wallet, the bulk of the mortgage is paid off....
Alas, now I can afford a PH worthy car, it turns out that it's politically unacceptable. I'm weighing up the pleasure of a performance car against the pain of paying excessive taxation. After all, paying an extra £400 a year VED on a £20K car is mostly a matter of principle rather than economics. But at least I have a choice - there's plenty of people who've hocked themselves on both car & home, and can't afford to change either so are totally susceptable to the latest governmental whim.
Remember that when you owe a man money, you also owe him your freedom.
sad61t said:
Twincam16 said:
...Firstly, there is a large class of recent graduates, aged between 20 and 30, who have effectively been squeezed out of home ownership by high prices, are being clobbered by rising rent and bills, and would happily live in a low-cost house designed to minimise bills. I am one of these people. However, I also like cars and might have two or more on my drive, plus a 'bike, at any one time. I hope I'm not forced into making that compromise.
...
You should consider it. Ten years ago I made the choice between a fast BMW or a deposit on a house near work. I took the latter option and, having sold the bike and run either no car or something light on the wallet, the bulk of the mortgage is paid off....
Alas, now I can afford a PH worthy car, it turns out that it's politically unacceptable. I'm weighing up the pleasure of a performance car against the pain of paying excessive taxation. After all, paying an extra £400 a year VED on a £20K car is mostly a matter of principle rather than economics. But at least I have a choice - there's plenty of people who've hocked themselves on both car & home, and can't afford to change either so are totally susceptable to the latest governmental whim.
Remember that when you owe a man money, you also owe him your freedom.
However, these developments are planning to clobber every car regardless. I'm thinking of taking the Alfa off the road, turning it into a track day rep and replacing it on the road with a Scimitar SS1 1400, which will cost all of £1k, but that'll be stung by this movement poll tax the same as a BMW X5.
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