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Unless I had a very old 911 (probably 964 or 993) coupe, I can not think any other porsche to run them daily, if I want to keep them for longer periods and not having stupid issues to keep a stress-free life 
I'm a big fan of VW, owning Golf 4 motion, v5, more than 10 years everyday car, zero issue. Gave it to my mum now, being probably the worst driver on earth, the car is still pretty safe. For that reason I went for VW again, but beetle this time, 4 pot turbo. It's probably too early to say but after 4-5k, I still feel that it's a pretty reliable german car. Thought about other sporty usuals like mini cooper or Audi but friends and colleagues had issues.
Porsche is pure fun for me, personally, it's a more civilized mid-engine version of Lotuse Elise so you can have fun but you can also do regular stff. But again, I would not want to drive any of these cars everyday and deal with the hassles to be honest.
I'm a big fan of VW, owning Golf 4 motion, v5, more than 10 years everyday car, zero issue. Gave it to my mum now, being probably the worst driver on earth, the car is still pretty safe. For that reason I went for VW again, but beetle this time, 4 pot turbo. It's probably too early to say but after 4-5k, I still feel that it's a pretty reliable german car. Thought about other sporty usuals like mini cooper or Audi but friends and colleagues had issues.
Porsche is pure fun for me, personally, it's a more civilized mid-engine version of Lotuse Elise so you can have fun but you can also do regular stff. But again, I would not want to drive any of these cars everyday and deal with the hassles to be honest.
anonymous said:
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Ah! Missed the bit where Molly is doing 30k a year! 
I personally only use the 3 series to get to the station to catch a train to London or to commute less than 30 miles each way (usually on a motorway) and for those duties I am 90% stuck in traffic and/or doing a boring run at 70mph..... not really too much enjoyment to be had there.
I once had a long contract that was 20 miles from my home and the route there and back was 100% quiet country roads....i bought a Ford Focus ST! It was fun until the service costs/fuel costs/maintenance costs/tax costs started to mount up.....so I sold it.
If I was doing 30k a year I would want something fun to drive......would probably go for something like an M5 for a do-everything car and get an Elise for fun.
I guess it depends on how much you love your weekend car and what compromises you are willing to make. I'm quite happy driving the 3 series sh*t box if it means I can keep my GT3. There are other people considerably more fortunate that can afford to run things like a new R8 as a daily or 911 Turbo as a daily with a wide and varied collection of weekend cars.....i'm not one of them
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Nope, I think you are more than right and onto something. Why an earth Porsche still does not produce a great daily driver? both fun + practical ? Still the fun of mid or rear engine but also does not give you usual problems I could see the earlier air-cooled versions could be very-well daily drivers, as most of the parts or issues could not be so difficult to diagnose but with modern versions, they just keep making them more complicated.ooid said:
anonymous said:
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Nope, I think you are more than right and onto something. Why an earth Porsche still does not produce a great daily driver? both fun + practical ? Still the fun of mid or rear engine but also does not give you usual problems I could see the earlier air-cooled versions could be very-well daily drivers, as most of the parts or issues could not be so difficult to diagnose but with modern versions, they just keep making them more complicated.I refer you all to my earlier post:
986
987 B or C
981 B or C
This it seems is inappropriate for Molly because he needs 4 or 5 seats and 4 or 5 doors and does 30000 miles per year and he gets a car free from work which if he opts out of it must be less than 5 years old - now breath.
So for those of us who drive less and on our own in a car we get to choose there is definitely something to be found in the Porsche range and within a something like reasonable budget. Early 2.5 boxes can be had for about 4 grand. There is a reasnably vibrant thread about poverty spec Porsche caers at the bidget end of the market. I'm pretty sure one of the posters has a gt3 and an early 986. His gt3 is ticked away and the box gets abused a lot.
Can't talk about 981, as it's still fairly new but in my experience both 986 and 987 costs a lot. It's a big expense, if you chose to drive these cars daily, and for me the "stress-free" is more important than running costs. I don't want to think about a possible car problem, when I'm heading to work for a very important meeting or presentation, or even airport. For fun driving, I could not care less, these things for driving and having fun and yeah they could also broke down. But for daily drive, for work and etc, most of us do not want any hassle.
Talking about daily driver "modern" porsche, I do think 996 C4 would be a good option, if it has a good history and all famous engine upgrades would be sorted out. It's big, powerful, 4 wheel drive and quite modest look with price currently. A clean one with an owner who already knows a bit of things on m96 engines, would be a good match!
Talking about daily driver "modern" porsche, I do think 996 C4 would be a good option, if it has a good history and all famous engine upgrades would be sorted out. It's big, powerful, 4 wheel drive and quite modest look with price currently. A clean one with an owner who already knows a bit of things on m96 engines, would be a good match!
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Does your daily driving encompass stop-start urban environments? Frequent heavy traffic? Crowded motorways? Park on the street in city centres? Do you have a stressful job? If the answer to any of these is "yes" then frankly it's pretty amazing, albeit laudable, that you hold this view.When I'm stuck on the M25 late for my meeting I'm not in any frame of mind to enjoy my car. On the contrary, I want an appliance, something as inoffensive and unobtrusive as possible, so that I can focus on my many far more pressing priorities at that moment. Driving a valuable car in this situation would bring zero additional pleasure in return for the mileage and wear/tear costs incurred, not to mention it would likely would be considerably more raw and uncomfortable to boot.
For people like me, daily driving bears no resemblance to the miles I do for pleasure - my mindset and needs are entirely different and I require different tools for the different occasions.
plenty said:
Does your daily driving encompass stop-start urban environments? Frequent heavy traffic? Crowded motorways? Park on the street in city centres? Do you have a stressful job? If the answer to any of these is "yes" then frankly it's pretty amazing, albeit laudable, that you hold this view.
When I'm stuck on the M25 late for my meeting I'm not in any frame of mind to enjoy my car. On the contrary, I want an appliance, something as inoffensive and unobtrusive as possible, so that I can focus on my many far more pressing priorities at that moment. Driving a valuable car in this situation would bring zero additional pleasure in return for the mileage and wear/tear costs incurred, not to mention it would likely would be considerably more raw and uncomfortable to boot.
For people like me, daily driving bears no resemblance to the miles I do for pleasure - my mindset and needs are entirely different and I require different tools for the different occasions.
This is pretty much where I am, but I do appreciate cmooses take on it.When I'm stuck on the M25 late for my meeting I'm not in any frame of mind to enjoy my car. On the contrary, I want an appliance, something as inoffensive and unobtrusive as possible, so that I can focus on my many far more pressing priorities at that moment. Driving a valuable car in this situation would bring zero additional pleasure in return for the mileage and wear/tear costs incurred, not to mention it would likely would be considerably more raw and uncomfortable to boot.
For people like me, daily driving bears no resemblance to the miles I do for pleasure - my mindset and needs are entirely different and I require different tools for the different occasions.
Interesting thread.
Most of this down to also infrastructure to be honest.. Where we live/work, road conditions and etc.. I feel sorry for whoever takes m25 actually, everytime I pass the junction on m11, seeing m25 signs saying "1 hour delay" and watching massive queues, just a nightmare.
- For the sake of practicality and economy, I would not drive any of those ugly urban/eco cars though. (never say never!). sorry to say, but they are utterly ridiculous.
- For the sake of practicality and economy, I would not drive any of those ugly urban/eco cars though. (never say never!). sorry to say, but they are utterly ridiculous.
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Ah, I see. In which case we are in total alignment. A W124 would be delightful indeed and my daily is an E39 M5 so it would be disingenuous of me to claim I'd be happier in a soulless modern tin box on contract hire.I wouldn't claim to enjoy an air-cooled Porsche as a commuter, though, nor in fact anything which is worth enough to be than more than disposable.
anonymous said:
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Perhaps it was a poor metaphor. Most days I have neither the opportunity (time) nor the means (money) to enjoy a posh lunch. I make do with a sandwich (I even make the sandwich myself!).
Most days I don't have the opportunity to take the fun route to work, nor do I have the means to do so daily. I make do with a smoker on the motorway.
But when the opportunity to make the most of either event arises, I take it and I make it count!
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braddo said:
Maybe a Citroen C6 is a nice compromise somewhere in the middle - modern, interesting design, a bit more plush and designed to be relaxing environment.
Don't know about the reliability though.
I have always wanted a black C6. I want to be an assassinDon't know about the reliability though.
tter, but the previous one is, to my eyes, a little work of art in the great tradition of big Citroens.Clearly, we're not the only ones: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=126...
ooid said:
Talking about daily driver "modern" porsche, I do think 996 C4 would be a good option, if it has a good history and all famous engine upgrades would be sorted out. It's big, powerful, 4 wheel drive and quite modest look with price currently. A clean one with an owner who already knows a bit of things on m96 engines, would be a good match!
I'm currently trying to avoid buying a 911 to go with my 981. I would be happy with a 996 but I'm not sure about 4wd and the 3.4 is little. Budget creep is very easy when looking at 911. The 3.6 is only a little more and then you're into 997 3.6 territory and then 3.8 ...ATM said:
I'm currently trying to avoid buying a 911 to go with my 981. I would be happy with a 996 but I'm not sure about 4wd and the 3.4 is little. Budget creep is very easy when looking at 911. The 3.6 is only a little more and then you're into 997 3.6 territory and then 3.8 ...
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