E92 335d vs 330d

[Welshbeef]

sday12 said:

Welshbeef said:

sday12 said:

Don't be swayed by the slushomatic,
I sourced a manual 330d coupe, and whilst most have the devil's gear swapper, 15% don't, and it's a peach, solid 6 speed.

30 in the UK, Pah! There's 30 on Auto Trader:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/3...

Or actually only 13 which are 330ds then of those which are M sport and what about the spec he wants possibly zero available currently

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=134...

One here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

And do either of those meet his exacting requirements ? To show an option of 2 really gives not much choice plus they may sell quickly or as with any advert they might not turn out to be what is promised etc. (Not saying these are but you get my point)

[sday12]

Welshbeef said:

sday12 said:

Welshbeef said:

sday12 said:

Don't be swayed by the slushomatic,
I sourced a manual 330d coupe, and whilst most have the devil's gear swapper, 15% don't, and it's a peach, solid 6 speed.

30 in the UK, Pah! There's 30 on Auto Trader:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/3...

Or actually only 13 which are 330ds then of those which are M sport and what about the spec he wants possibly zero available currently

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=134...

One here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

And do either of those meet his exacting requirements ? To show an option of 2 really gives not much choice plus they may sell quickly or as with any advert they might not turn out to be what is promised etc. (Not saying these are but you get my point)

You're nothing if not determined.

[Pablo68]

Legend83 said:

ArsE92 said:

Well I went for the 335i in the end so I'm not sure you'll be interested in my running costs?

I still have it. The longest I've kept a car, and for the most part I'm delighted with it.

I would be interested in your experience and running costs as one of these is firmly in my sights in the next couple of years.

I have an F30 335i...it can be a bit thirsty but I am not in general light footed with it. Why would you have a straight six 3 litre petrol and want to drive economically all the time?

I average 20mpg on a 5 mile commute with 30mph B roads and NSL dually with roundabouts every mile or so. Mind you I do tend to exercise it's legs on dually to help me "unwind" after a hard day in the office

Motorways...I can get mid 30's mpg at a reasonable motorway pace and on average 300-350 miles from a tank (70 litres).

Would I change it for a diesel to get another 5 or 6 mpg? Not a chance. It is a peach of an engine...sounds just right on start-up or WOT, no turbo "lag" at all with full torque all the way from 1500rpm and can happily hold it's own on the roads with pretty much any exotic metal you come across.

[Welshbeef]

Pablo68 said:

I have an F30 335i...it can be a bit thirsty but I am not in general light footed with it. Why would you have a straight six 3 litre petrol and want to drive economically all the time?

I average 20mpg on a 5 mile commute with 30mph B roads and NSL dually with roundabouts every mile or so. Mind you I do tend to exercise it's legs on dually to help me "unwind" after a hard day in the office

Motorways...I can get mid 30's mpg at a reasonable motorway pace and on average 300-350 miles from a tank (70 litres).

Would I change it for a diesel to get another 5 or 6 mpg? Not a chance. It is a peach of an engine...sounds just right on start-up or WOT, no turbo "lag" at all with full torque all the way from 1500rpm and can happily hold it's own on the roads with pretty much any exotic metal you come across.

Its not 5-6mpg more though is it as the F30 330d does 58.9mpg combined and your mid 30'smpg reflects the combined for the 335i no reason to think you'd not hit combined with the dag dag

[Pablo68]

Welshbeef said:

Its not 5-6mpg more though is it as the F30 330d does 58.9mpg combined and your mid 30'smpg reflects the combined for the 335i no reason to think you'd not hit combined with the dag dag

330D? I was talking about a 335D. The 330D is not a comparable car. And you won't get 58.9 combined out of it, try chatting to the 33D owners on bimmerpost.

I don't get mid 30's combined on the 335i...that's motorway mpg. My real world combined over a few thousand miles is actually 29.8mpg.

Edited by Pablo68 on Wednesday 12th February 21:21

[Welshbeef]

Pablo68 said:

330D? I was talking about a 335D. The 330D is not a comparable car. And you won't get 58.9 combined out of it, try chatting to the 33D owners on bimmerpost.

I don't get mid 30's combined on the 335i...that's motorway mpg. My real world combined over a few thousand miles is actually 29.8mpg.

Edited by Pablo68 on Wednesday 12th February 21:21

The F30 335d does 52mpg combined v the 335i 35mpg combined. The old E90 335d was 42-45mpg and the F30 with that amazing 8speed box has made such a difference.

The 330d F30 does 0-62 in 5.6 seconds and the F30 335d does it in 4.6 seconds the F30 335i does it in 5.3 seconds so there isn't much difference between the 335i and the 330d F30 series.

[RobM77]

ToothbrushMan said:

RobM77 said:

it's important to differentiate between initial throttle lag (the first push of the throttle from 0% to whatever value you desire, and the ensuing delay before the engine responds) and turbo lag,

Never heard of throttle "lag" in car talking parlance before.....

Also id have thought in the 330d and 335d there would be next to no difference between your off boost response and a poor throttle response - most folk would just refer to any such delay as lag surely as they start to get pushing hard from little over idle speed dont they? Or are you saying you can have good throttle response but then lag beyond that as something completely different?

Edited by ToothbrushMan on Wednesday 12th February 16:34

Definitely, yes. My 320d has instant throttle response (it's why I bought it after disillusionment with my Z4C and various petrol engined BMWs I'd driven), but suffers turbo lag in certain situations, which doesn't bother me in the slightest, as those situations are never related to control, only ever going faster, which I don't mind.

Just to clarify: throttle lag, initial throttle response, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing to do with the mechanicals of the engine at all, and is simply the time delay between pedal input and engine response caused by the ECU picking up the throttle position, computing the fuelling required and then delivering it. All petrol engined BMWs that I've driven post year 2000 apart from the E90/92 V8 M3 have it. The worst I've experienced was my year 2000 E46 330ci, which had around a second of lag, so if you imagine you've braked for a corner and moved your foot to the throttle to balance the car around the bend, you'd be coasting for a second before the power kicked in to balance the car. With many corners that would mean the corner finished before you gt any throttle and you'd coasted round the whole thing (e.g. 45mph is about 20 metres per second..). The same sort of lag applied on backing off too, although much smaller it was still annoying (manufacturers do this deliberately nowadays to make gearchanges easier for people with slow feet and hands). I've also owned a Z4 Coupé 3.0 si, which had a very small lag, but ultimately I sold the car as it pissed me off too much. This is why I now drive a diesel (BMW diesels don't have any initial DBW lag at all), which brings me to the other sort of throttle response - turbo lag. The diesel in certain situations has lots of turbo lag (everyone knows that), but generally it doesn't bother me because you're almost always in a straight line when it happens and control isn't an issue - it's not acceleration that bothers me, just control over the car. Finally, throttle response in the traditional sense is just the engine's power overcoming the rotational inertia of the engine when it tries to increase its revs (flywheel, mass of pistons etc).

Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 12th August 15:37

[Pilgrimage]

So - just discovered this thread.
I've just sold my 54 plate Impreza STI and now have a 330D Convertible (circa 09 plate) firmly in my head as the next car.
Having just started researching I can't believe how confusing this has become already.
So in short - I'm after good MPG (hence the D not the I), but hadn't considered the 335D Convertible (if there is such a thing?!).
Performance is important - although I know it's going to be slower than what I'm used too.
My budget is circa £15k and I will want lower than 50k on the clock. I know I'm tight on budget and may be able to stretch ... a little!
Any help/ advice would be appreciated.
Pilgrimage (aka Gav)

[Welshbeef]

Pilgrimage said:

So - just discovered this thread.
I've just sold my 54 plate Impreza STI and now have a 330D Convertible (circa 09 plate) firmly in my head as the next car.
Having just started researching I can't believe how confusing this has become already.
So in short - I'm after good MPG (hence the D not the I), but hadn't considered the 335D Convertible (if there is such a thing?!).
Performance is important - although I know it's going to be slower than what I'm used too.
My budget is circa £15k and I will want lower than 50k on the clock. I know I'm tight on budget and may be able to stretch ... a little!
Any help/ advice would be appreciated.
Pilgrimage (aka Gav)

Problem you will face is the very vast majority of people buy diesels for the high economy as they are doing significant miles. You are looking at an 09 reg car which is a 5 year old car - and you are looking for up to 50k miles. Not many will have bought a diesel to do 10k a year and if they have then the DPF will not be in the best of condition budget £1-1.5k for its replacement or buy a car with more normal diesel usage and it will last easily up to 150k miles without need for replacement

[Monty Python]

Pilgrimage said:

So - just discovered this thread.
I've just sold my 54 plate Impreza STI and now have a 330D Convertible (circa 09 plate) firmly in my head as the next car.
Having just started researching I can't believe how confusing this has become already.
So in short - I'm after good MPG (hence the D not the I), but hadn't considered the 335D Convertible (if there is such a thing?!).
Performance is important - although I know it's going to be slower than what I'm used too.
My budget is circa £15k and I will want lower than 50k on the clock. I know I'm tight on budget and may be able to stretch ... a little!
Any help/ advice would be appreciated.
Pilgrimage (aka Gav)

Why would you want a noisy diesel engine in a convertible?

[Pilgrimage]

Monty Python said:

Why would you want a noisy diesel engine in a convertible?

Want to be able to enjoy a convertible for the 2 hot days we get a year(!), but have to trade that off against economy.
Surely the diesel isn't that noisy?!

[Pilgrimage]

Welshbeef said:

Problem you will face is the very vast majority of people buy diesels for the high economy as they are doing significant miles. You are looking at an 09 reg car which is a 5 year old car - and you are looking for up to 50k miles. Not many will have bought a diesel to do 10k a year and if they have then the DPF will not be in the best of condition budget £1-1.5k for its replacement or buy a car with more normal diesel usage and it will last easily up to 150k miles without need for replacement

DPF = diesel particulate filter?
So a low miler isn't necessarily the best buy then?
I need to consider residuals as well - I may have to sell for an estate in a year or so and don't want to be hit with hard depreciation. Its also a lot easier to sell a car with low(er) mileage.

[Pilgrimage]

But back to my original question (other than noisiness) am I looking at the "right" model?

[Welshbeef]

Pilgrimage said:

DPF = diesel particulate filter?
So a low miler isn't necessarily the best buy then?
I need to consider residuals as well - I may have to sell for an estate in a year or so and don't want to be hit with hard depreciation. Its also a lot easier to sell a car with low(er) mileage.

Correct on DPF.


As for easier to sell on the lower the price the more people will be interested.

My old E90 330d was like new with 115k wanted for nothing and the next owner would have a great car - these really are well made cars so done worry but in condition and full BMW service history especially at that age

[Pilgrimage]

So I did it - plumped for 58 plate 330d M-sport convertible.
Thanks for all your advice/ help.