RE: McLaren P1 - inside story

RE: McLaren P1 - inside story

Tuesday 7th May 2013

McLaren P1 - inside story

Driving impressions and some shameless LaFerrari bashing from the guys inside the P1 project



How do you produce a car that is uncompromised on road and track? It’s a problem that McLaren’s engineers concerned themselves with in the very early stages of the P1 hybridhypercar’s gestation and the solution, of course, lay in technology.

Owners will be relieved to hear it can do this!
Owners will be relieved to hear it can do this!
To get a bone of contention out of the way, why does the P1 bother with a hybrid KERS system at all? “To achieve the levels of performance that we wanted, we needed either a big V12 engine or a high degree of technology,” says Greg Levine, Sales and Marketing Director. “Big V12s aren’t practical in this day and agedue to legislation. McLaren should be building supercars of the future and the V12 is of the past. McLaren will never build another car with more than eight cylinders.”

“We wanted to reduce CO2 emissions and deliver a realistic EV range,” adds Chief Designer Dan Parry-Williams, “but the E-Drive system also had to make the car faster.” It adds 180hp to the combustion engine’s 737hp and the instant torque delivery of the electric motor – McLaren refers to IPAS, for Instant Power Assist System – improves throttle response. “It helps give extra torque anytime, anywhere, and comes in instantly,” says Chief Test Driver Chris Goodwin. “It makes a huge difference.”

Something fishy
The hybrid system isn’t just capitulation to increasing environmental pressure, then, it does actually enhance performance. Even so, shedding the best part of 200kg for the sake of 180hp, an EV mode and some tractability seems to be a pretty fair trade. “You’ll understand the technology when you drive the car,” assures Levine.

P1's looks make more sense in the flesh
P1's looks make more sense in the flesh
The most unusual thing in McLaren’s design studio, reckons Senior Designer Rob Melville, is a sailfish painted silver with an orange McLaren tick for an eye. It stands for McLaren’s function over form philosophy and for bio-mimicry, where nature’s forms and its solutions to cutting through air and water are copied in product design. The P1 looks sensational in the carbon – certainly more resolved than in pictures, where the eye tends to be drawn to individual details – and it drips with muscle and aggression. The high rear haunches that tumble into the low rear deck is a particular highlight, but as with every other styling element the outcome was determined by function; a low rear deck helps to reduce drag. Similarly, the nostrils in the bonnet are perfectly spaced to allow a stream of cool air to reach the rooftop intake.

Transformers: GT cars in disguise
The active aero
is capable of producing either 600kg of downforce at 160mph or less drag than a 12C, depending on mode. The innovative four-chamber dampers give individual control of roll stiffness, ride height, spring rate and damping and the brakes – developed with McLaren’s Formula 1 partner Akebono – use a new type of carbon material that can absorb 50 per cent more energy through the contact patch between disc and pad than even the 12C’s brakes. In all of these areas the P1 exploits new technologies and pioneers solutions to the increasingly mutually incompatible problem of creating the world’s best driver’s car on road and track.

Race mode fast enough to challenge the best
Race mode fast enough to challenge the best
The P1’s circuit performance is best delivered in Race mode and it’s this that gives the P1 its duality, claims McLaren. To give an idea of how focused Race mode is compared to the default state, consider that it takes 40 seconds to engage. In that time, the car lowers by 50mm, roll stiffness increases by 350 per cent and the effective spring rate doubles. The vast rear wing extends by 300mm and leans a further 29 degrees into the oncoming air. It’s not so much a different mode as total metamorphosis. “There’s a massive change when you switch to Race,” reckons Goodwin. “It becomes extremely responsive.”  

There’s a steely sense of confidence within McLaren that is has managed to create a useable, comfortable road car that is inclusive of a wide range of driving abilities. “I know how an F1 world champion drives and I know how a customer drives,” says Goodwin. “We’ve had to develop a car that is accessible to both, so we’ve got sophisticated traction and stability control systems to help an inexperienced driver drive it quickly.”

It'll work here but can it be fun on the road too?
It'll work here but can it be fun on the road too?
Psyche up
That level of inclusivity hasn’t come at the expense of outright performance, however, for even Goodwin is stretched by the P1: “When I get into one of our F1 cars, I have to really think about what I’m doing because everything happens so fast, whereas I just jump into a GT racing car and go. In the P1, I have to really think about it.

“The car is limited by having to run road legal tyres. These Pirellis perform closer to a racing slick than anything else out there, but on slicks the P1 would be quicker than a GT car. In Normal mode, the chassis balance is understeer to neutral at the limit. In Sport, Track and Race it becomes more agile and lively. The car will drift with the systems off and it will slide progressively and controllably in Race mode. There’s a useable window of rear aero so it doesn’t drop off with a bit of yaw angle.

“We don’t rely on our F1 drivers for development because they’ve got their own job to do, but they are a useful reference point. Jenson Button has driven the car and he will drive it again. Having an F1 champion’s feedback is good, but it’s no more important than a customer’s feedback.”

Hitting Race mode heralds a true metamorphosis
Hitting Race mode heralds a true metamorphosis
About that Ferrari…
If McLaren is confident in the P1’s dynamic ability, it’s utterly convinced it’ll have the better of its rivals. “Porsche doesn’t have a chance of selling918 units,” says a bullish Levine. “If the P1 was in a class of one, we’d still only build 375 because you need the exclusivity.

“When I first saw the figures for LaFerrari I was concerned because it has more power and it’s lighter. But when I saw the car I was relieved because it doesn’t have an EV mode and its active aero isn’t as advanced as the P1’s. It will be compromised either on road or track. It won’t match our car on the circuit.”

That, then, is McLaren’s hand. Don’t expect Porsche or Ferrari to fold.


Check out Perez driving the P1 here.

 

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Slurms

Original Poster:

1,252 posts

205 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Genius, love the concept and can't wait for the comparison tests.

GreatGranny

9,161 posts

227 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Superb!

Just waiting for the "But it's flappy paddle, electric motors blah blah blah!" brigade!

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

219 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Seems bit overly smug, ours has an EV mode theirs doesn't - bully for you, at this cost and for a fourth car who cares?

Aftershox

397 posts

159 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Looks fantastic!

urban_alchemist

604 posts

207 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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"V12 is the past."

Well you can just sod off then.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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"No compromise"

As soon as you hear that you just know a load of marketing mambo jumbo is just round the corner!

Everything is a compromise.

( so it would be quicker around a track than a GT car if on slicks? so right there you have a compromise to meet road legislation)

Jurgen

228 posts

156 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Great looking car and greats specs too, but the arrogance is even worse than Ferrari. They'd better hope their car is as good as they claim it is. As for Porsche not selling cars, I'm sure they won't have a problem with that. Actually I think the Porsche is very good looking and is a lot cheaper as well!

Kermit79

96 posts

148 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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I do worry for Mclaren in some respects. They do know how to shoot their mouths off, there is confidence, and then there is CONFIDENCE bordering on arrogance, in my opinion. They have not driven the Ferrari, but have effectively discounted it based upon some snippets of information they can SEE re aero etc.
I seem to remember a certain Ron Dennis discounting the Ferrari 458 against the 'MP4-12/4:33(99)>400c12' or whatever it is called now.. on technology grounds, and that wasn't a walk over. I would have thought that they would learn from this previous error.
I am not belittling the P1 in anyway, I'm sure it will be a fantastic car and am ecstatic that the UK is creating such a wonderful piece of kit, it is more about the cocksure nature of their comments based on nothing tangible re the competition. Talk about setting yourselves up for a potential fall! I do hope they are right..........

Ali_T

3,379 posts

258 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Do they have to start a smug slagging match? It's demeaning and shows an insecurity in your product. I'm quite sure both are stupidly fast and I'm certainly sure I can't afford either.

LongLiveTazio

2,714 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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urban_alchemist said:
"V12 is the past."

Well you can just sod off then.
Got here and stopped reading. What an arrogant idiot, unfortunately seems to be the way McLaren go about things. Ferrari make me scratch my head sometimes but seeing as McLaren have more work to do you would think they would refrain from such stupidity. How quickly they seem to have forgotten their own history.

airportparking

1,314 posts

163 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Well this car was built at the cost of a failing F1 team, my opinion of course!

I just hope it was worth the sacrifice

loudlashadjuster

5,175 posts

185 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Sergio giving his best "corporatesepak waffle" there.

You're better than that, son.

As for the car, even if it is as good as they say (and, like everyone else, I'm really looking forward to the P1/LaFerrari/918 shootout) there'll still be the usual "no passion" whiners.

Let's see...

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

179 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Max_Torque said:
"No compromise"

As soon as you hear that you just know a load of marketing mambo jumbo is just round the corner!

Everything is a compromise.

( so it would be quicker around a track than a GT car if on slicks? so right there you have a compromise to meet road legislation)
I agree.. as an engineer.

However the public simply do not understand that good engineering design is all about compromises. You cannot design something without making compromises.

e.g. A vehicle's suspension design(Damper rates, spring rates and travel) is compromised by the requirement to carry varying loads; anything between 1 and 5 passengers and their luggage. Single seaters with no boot can have a very focussed suspension design however it's not very practical to not be able to carry a passenger or any bags, so a compromise is made etc etc.

McAndy

12,553 posts

178 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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I don't usually respond on these headline threads but I feel compelled to.

The amound of "trash-talking" going on between the hypercar manufacturers is saddening to me. What ever happened to a bit of respect? "Yes, theirs seems good, but I believe that ours has the measure of it."

It's negative publicity to me as they're not just taking a bash at another company (a single inorganic entity), they're publically bad-mouthing the work of tens if not hundreds of engineers, test drivers, designers et al who have probably fulfilled the scope of their project with great skill and effort. It shows disrepsect and a immaturity. In my opinion its damn poor form and leaves me with bad feelings towards the involved companies' cars.

Grow up and play nicely.

/soapbox

Amirhussain

11,490 posts

164 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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I bet Hamilton wishes he was still at Mclaren to drive this thing aha

eliotrw

309 posts

170 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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F1 driver opinion isnt as important as the customers eh?
Ask Honda if they agree.

Daveyraveygravey

2,029 posts

185 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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LongLiveTazio said:
urban_alchemist said:
"V12 is the past."

Well you can just sod off then.
Got here and stopped reading. What an arrogant idiot, unfortunately seems to be the way McLaren go about things. Ferrari make me scratch my head sometimes but seeing as McLaren have more work to do you would think they would refrain from such stupidity. How quickly they seem to have forgotten their own history.
I felt the same - this is the company that in the F1 had arguably the best ever V12 (courtesy of BMW). I still remember Tiff Needell caning one round the TG test track and the noise it made was enough, never mind what it could do.

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

179 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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currybum said:
TheRoadWarrior said:
I agree.. as an engineer.

However the public simply do not understand that good engineering design is all about compromises. You cannot design something without making compromises.
Which is why arguably, that designing a B-Car is more of an engineering challenge than an F1 car...having defined operating conditions, minimal manufacturing feasibility issues and no cost constraint should make engineering an F1 car a straight forward task...;-)
Certainly, no one cares about part costs on F1 cars.. that's why everything is custom CF. A production car has to have a solution that works but also isn't so expensive as to make your micra cost more than an S-Class.

Gavlar83

29 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Amirhussain said:
I bet Hamilton wishes he was still at Mclaren to drive this thing aha

Matt UK

17,754 posts

201 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Max_Torque said:
"No compromise"

As soon as you hear that you just know a load of marketing mambo jumbo is just round the corner!

Everything is a compromise.

( so it would be quicker around a track than a GT car if on slicks? so right there you have a compromise to meet road legislation)
Yup, I 100% agree.

It's about the metrics used to define 'success' and the decisions made to get there - ie all design and engineering is about intelligent compromise.

Edited by Matt UK on Tuesday 7th May 14:41