RE: All-weather fast saloons | Six of the Best

RE: All-weather fast saloons | Six of the Best

Sunday 28th April

All-weather fast saloons | Six of the Best

Few cars gel with Britain as agreeably as AWD saloons. Here are the choice cuts for when the going gets tough


Audi RS4, 2006, 91k, £17,995

While the concept of the crushingly fast all-weather saloon didn’t start with Vorsprung durch Technik, Audi was certainly among the first to properly harness the appeal of performance-orientated all-wheel drive. Partly thanks to its prowess in international rallying, but also because it fitted seamlessly into the technically advanced image that Audi liked to project. The B7 RS4 obviously wasn’t its first go, although with its 4.2-litre V8 it was arguably its most charismatic and remains a pleasure to drive to this day. In fact, with a chunky manual ‘box and a very beguiling sense of mechanical cohesion, the experience has probably improved with age. Assuming you can find a good one and are not won over by the marginally better-looking wagon. This one looks in decent nick and has fewer than 100k on the clock. 

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BMW M5, 2021, 11k, £57,950

These days, of course, every premium manufacturer worth its salt sells an all-paw missile posing as a muscular exec car. The current M3, equipped with BMW’s rear-biased xDrive system, is the perfect example - but who doesn’t love the way that depreciation is ceaselessly making the outgoing M5 so much more accessible? Especially when it’s a) better looking than the M3 and b) endowed with a lovelier engine. You can get one for less than £40k, although we’d recommend buying younger on the basis that the car got better after its 2020 facelift. Here’s one to die for in Alvite Grey with very few miles. It’s hard to imagine ever getting tired of it. In fact, if we were forced to choose a saloon to go in our ‘forever’ garage, it might be this one. 

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Ford Sierra 4x4, 1993, 31k, £12,500-£13,500

You’ll definitely be wanting a garage if you decide to give the Sierra XR4x4 currently working its way through PH Auctions a go; if only to keep it in such splendid condition. It’ll help to have the nostalgia goggles welded to your head, too - but if you’re looking to preserve one of the early attempts to bring all-wheel drive usability to the masses, you could do a lot worse than a car which features a 150hp 2.9-litre Cologne V6 and a five-speed manual lashed to a 4WD system which defiantly favoured the back axle over the front. Never a legend in the Cosworth mould (and technically a five-door hatchback, too), the XR4x4 offers a reasonably affordable way into a classic Fast Ford, and (at the time of writing) was already halfway to its guide price. Best not hang about then; the auction ends on Sunday night. 

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Subaru WRX STI, 2013, 48k, £16,395

If the thought of a 30-year-old Ford is too flagrantly leftfield, you could play it straight down the park with a Subaru Impreza - virtually the go-to all-weather car for an entire generation of JDM fanatics. The WRX STI reigned supreme in the hearts and minds of anyone who thought a muddy B road was the perfect place for dropping the hammer. Slightly controversial to pick one from the anodyne-looking third generation perhaps, but memory of the launch still looms large, most notably a day-long, ducks-and-drakes blitz through a sodden German countryside. There would’ve been classier, quicker and more incisive ways to do it, though precious few would’ve conjured the gristle or the grin-factor of a hard-driven flat-four. It’s not exactly a Q car without the rear spoiler, but it is affordable, feisty and fun. And already a throwback. 

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Brabus 800, 2017, 22k, £89,950

If that all sounds like a bit too much roughage, then how about the steroidal pleasure of a Mercedes-AMG E63 remade in the Brabus style? You don’t strictly need the 800hp supplied by the makeover - in case you hadn’t heard, the 612hp delivered by the V8 in ‘standard’ format is plenty quick enough - although since when has car buying been about what we need on PH? Any stripe of Brabus is very much about how much you want it, and this car, in characteristic Designo Night Black Magno and on polished 21-inch monoblock wheels really does take the biscuit. Probably you’d need to be Tony Soprano to live up to its genuine sense of menace, but the 800 is also the sort of tricked-out prospect that seems to transcend anything as mediocre as a journey. It’s an event in its own right. For £89k and a-l-o-t of V-Power. 

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Mitsubishi Evo IX MR FQ-360 HKS, 2007, 25k, £64,900

Finally, as there had to be, there’s the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo. Much like the Impreza - although probably more so - it helped refine what otherwise humdrum saloon cars were capable of if you were inclined to get very creative with the undersides. We seem to have talked a lot about the IX MR FQ-360 by HKS recently (in case you missed it, Matt B drove one just a few weeks ago) but we make no apologies for returning to it here. Firstly, because this two-owner example in Flame Red looks particularly good, but mostly because it represents the high watermark for the Evo in general, by being hugely powerful yet also captivating to drive. In that respect, even nearly 20 years later, there are very few cars that measure up to its pound-for-pound brilliance in the real world. Which goes some way to explaining the £65k asking price.

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Discussion

LotusMac22

Original Poster:

2 posts

2 months

Saturday 27th April
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I would not touch that Subaru with a barge pole unless you like chocolate head gaskets and engine write offs. My dad had a 340r that went pop in 2016. Albeit was a fast machine.

2smoke

218 posts

112 months

Saturday 27th April
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This generation Subaru, with the boot rather than hatch, looks a lot better. Although, for me in my current family life predicament, I would consolidate the fleet and go for the M5.

Arsecati

2,319 posts

118 months

Saturday 27th April
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RS4 still one of my favourite cars of all time (albeit in estate form), and not just because I was once lucky enough to pootle around in an R8 with that engine. I will always remember the sales guy telling me to 'floor it, floor it' as we went for a 'test drive' around the nearby industrial estate. I had a C5 RS6 at the time, and had no intention of buying an RS4 (purely for the size - though funnily enough, not THAT much smaller than the bloody RS6), but I still wanted to drive one, you know....... to see what the fuss was all about! A C6 RS6 eventually followed, before reality/sanity/common-sense prevailed and I switched to big oil burners instead (more motorbikes taking 'fun duties' on the weekends, as well as taking up less space!). But even though my short stint with the R8 was a joy (it was too much for our roads, and I genuinely became uncomfortable with the attention - which is why I pretty much ever only drove it at 6am on a weekend morning!) it is the memory of hooning that RS4, that always brings a smile to my face.

cerb4.5lee

30,767 posts

181 months

Saturday 27th April
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This list is right up my street for definite. The RS4 has always been a bit of a dream car for me. That M5 looks like an absolute performance bargain to me and I've always wanted one. Plus that XR4x4 is the same colour as the two 2 9's I had 30 years ago as well. cool

Then you have the wonderful Evo on top(and the mighty Merc!)...happy days for sure I reckon! biggrin

rallycross

12,824 posts

238 months

Saturday 27th April
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Some nice choices above but the world has gone mad if an old Xr4x4 with no real service history is worth anything close to the suggested price ( it probably did 100,000 miles in its first 3 years use if there is no genuine history to prove otherwise).

JAMSXR

1,497 posts

48 months

Saturday 27th April
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Nice list, I was seriously tempted by that M5 a few months back. Ended up with an RS4 due to the estate factor and lower running costs.


GreatScott2016

1,203 posts

89 months

Saturday 27th April
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cerb4.5lee said:
This list is right up my street for definite. The RS4 has always been a bit of a dream car for me. That M5 looks like an absolute performance bargain to me and I've always wanted one. Plus that XR4x4 is the same colour as the two 2 9's I had 30 years ago as well. cool

Then you have the wonderful Evo on top(and the mighty Merc!)...happy days for sure I reckon! biggrin
Agreed, super list, no doubt. My heart says Evo given my history but the M5 is soooo tempting smile


Jamesas86

11 posts

95 months

Saturday 27th April
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Great list. The ford doesn’t do much for me, or weirdly, the merc. I have a b7 rs4 avant and hope to never sell it… a lovely thing! The evo is great and takes me back, they’re so much fun (I will have another… if I don’t wait too long and they become out of reach). The M5 looks nice too but personally I couldn’t take the depreciation yet to come.

Keep up the great work pistonheads. And please bring back 100k garage! Maybe with less rules (like just minimum of 3 cars)

Drinksleeprepeat

139 posts

48 months

Saturday 27th April
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cerb4.5lee said:
This list is right up my street for definite. The RS4 has always been a bit of a dream car for me. That M5 looks like an absolute performance bargain to me and I've always wanted one. Plus that XR4x4 is the same colour as the two 2 9's I had 30 years ago as well. cool

Then you have the wonderful Evo on top(and the mighty Merc!)...happy days for sure I reckon! biggrin
The M5 even more so compared with the Evo 9.

Baileyk

198 posts

65 months

Saturday 27th April
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RS4 in blue please, just for the arches.
The scooby needs a wing, blue paint and gold wheels as a minimum.

Bloxxcreative

521 posts

46 months

Saturday 27th April
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Can't find much wrong with this list. Nice read for a Saturday morning.

Firebobby

544 posts

40 months

Saturday 27th April
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Some nice motors there. Had a sierra albeit an earlier 2.8 version, about as quick as sluggy the slug sliding over a lettuce leaf! Also had an Impreza and an Evo again not the same versions as here but more or less the same. In their day fantastic cars, great point to point and in the traffic light grand Prix. RS4, I was in a garage owning friend's who is a very competent driver and I'm sorry to say I was massively underwhelmed! We were left for dead in a 123d 1 series as he spotted us in his RV mirror and floored it, leaving us struggling to get anywhere near him at legal Rd speeds. Needless to say the RS was quickly sold on.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Saturday 27th April
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Evo for me from that list please. Although (yes, yes, I know) at a bit more like noughties pricing please. laugh

119

6,419 posts

37 months

Saturday 27th April
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Firebobby said:
S We were left for dead in a 123d 1 series as he spotted us in his RV mirror and floored it, leaving us struggling to get anywhere near him at legal Rd speeds. Needless to say the RS was quickly sold on.
Reads like your friend needs to learn how to use an N/A engine.

Anyhoo, M5 for me.

NGK210

2,969 posts

146 months

Saturday 27th April
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Firebobby said:
...RS4, I was in a garage owning friend's who is a very competent driver and I'm sorry to say I was massively underwhelmed! We were left for dead in a 123d 1 series as he spotted us in his RV mirror and floored it, leaving us struggling to get anywhere near him at legal Rd speeds. Needless to say the RS was quickly sold on.
Was the RS4's mileage over 40k? If so, its inlet valves probably needed a clean / walnut blast.

fflump

1,387 posts

39 months

Saturday 27th April
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That M5 looks a relative bargain. Barely run in and designed before current BMW’s rather questionable efforts. I have my own all weather fast saloon (Flying Spur) but if in the market I’d be tempted by one.

cerb4.5lee

30,767 posts

181 months

Saturday 27th April
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Firebobby said:
Some nice motors there. Had a sierra albeit an earlier 2.8 version, about as quick as sluggy the slug sliding over a lettuce leaf!
Yes and they were never all that quick to be fair, but not terrible for their time either though for me.

What I did love about the XR4x4's I had was that you could wind them up to the redline in first, and then just drop the clutch...and they would bolt off the line pretty swiftly I thought. Although that might explain why I had 3 clutch cables snap in one of them though! hehe

cerb4.5lee

30,767 posts

181 months

Saturday 27th April
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119 said:
Firebobby said:
S We were left for dead in a 123d 1 series as he spotted us in his RV mirror and floored it, leaving us struggling to get anywhere near him at legal Rd speeds. Needless to say the RS was quickly sold on.
Reads like your friend needs to learn how to use an N/A engine.
I do get where he is coming from in fairness though. I remember having all sorts of trouble with stuff like 335d's of the time when I had the manual E92 M3, because they would always leave you for dead initially, and then you had to drive like a madman to reel them back in and eventually overtake them. But by that time you were going miles quicker than you should be legally though!

Firebobby

544 posts

40 months

Saturday 27th April
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119 said:
Firebobby said:
S We were left for dead in a 123d 1 series as he spotted us in his RV mirror and floored it, leaving us struggling to get anywhere near him at legal Rd speeds. Needless to say the RS was quickly sold on.
Reads like your friend needs to learn how to use an N/A engine.

Anyhoo, M5 for me.
Err! Not really unless you suggest driving around with 5k on the rev counter? just a slug of car unless its high up in the rev band.

blearyeyedboy

6,314 posts

180 months

Saturday 27th April
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Other interesting older/budget ones might have been a Volvo S60R, Saab 9-3 Turbo X or the surprisingly not-st Vauxhall Insignia VXR.

I wonder what JDM loveliness might be around on Goo Net? scratchchin

Edit: It's a shame the V60 Polestar's S60 equivalent wasn't sold in the UK.

Edited by blearyeyedboy on Saturday 27th April 12:05