RE: Geneva Motor Show 2013: Liveblog

RE: Geneva Motor Show 2013: Liveblog

Wednesday 6th March 2013

Geneva Motor Show 2013: Liveblog

A chat with Mrs Ruf before checking out some of the more unusual Geneva exhibits



So welcome to my liveblog from the Geneva show, a chance for a more informal, behind the scenes glimpse of the first big industry event of the year. As ever, updates will run most recent first.

Happy reading!

Dan



Geneva airport, 1230h
A much more productive few hours at the show actually talking to people and looking at cars, with a whip around the top end where all the exotica lurks. More on this shortly. And along the way a few unusual finds, like this amphibious VW Schwimmwagen (spot the German logic in the naming of this vehicle) playing a supporting role to the Rinspeed display. My car of the show, without hesitation! There's a great bit in Small Wonder, Walter Henry Nelson's fascinating history of the VW Beetle, describing how British soldiers under Major Ivan Hirst used to let off steam around the bombed out Wolfsburg plant in Schwimmwagens they'd 'found' on site. The done thing was apparently to speed along the side of the canal that runs by the plant and then straight off the quayside and into the water. Which sounds like a great fun and proved an ideal way - along with a few drinks - to distract the inquisitive French who came to visit in search of factory machinery they could take away as reparations.

I digress.

Oddities lurk in the Hall 7 trade area...
Oddities lurk in the Hall 7 trade area...
Nearby I got chatting with Mrs Ruf about the recent Genii investment by long-standing Ruf customer Gerard Lopez. Exciting times for the company as it stands to supply running gear to supercar start-ups like W Motors but also a time to take in some of the products still bearing the Ruf name. Like the fabulous looking 750hp, 997-turbo based RT12 R. And is Alois Ruf still running round in his old Mercedes E500? Yes, says Mrs Ruf. With 400,000km on the clock the seats feel a little saggy these days but other than that the old Merc is still going strong.

Time running out I had to recover my bag from the Kia stand and quick march to the adjoining airport. This took me through Hall 7, previously uncharted territory for me and the trade area for tools and workshop supplies. A different world from the glitz of the main show this immaculate old Toyota Corolla on the Wurth stand caught my eye. Not a car I'd have ever lusted after but kind of cool all the same and an absolute minter.



Geneva Palexpo, Mercedes stand, 0900h
Back at the show, back at Mercedes and back on the coffee and wired internet! But not for long. While the rest of the Kia party slumber I and a couple of others have come back to the show with the quaint ambition of wandering around and looking at some cars! Such is the way of covering shows that this, ironically, is the last thing you're able to do on press day so I always enjoy a return visit once the initial madness has died down.

Goals for today? Well, there's a whole bunch of carbon fibre-based exotica up the other end of the show I had to dash past yesterday. The Paganis, the Koenigseggs and the Spanos and that lot. Then the mad tuners too.

But my first job is some schmoozing of Alfa Romeo. I didn't really get near the 4C yesterday and amid the fug of excitement over The Ferrari and the McLaren I think it merits a closer inspection. Which is what I'll do right now!



The bus back to the hotel, 1800h
That's it, no matter how many more espressos I knock back I think the energy levels are now fully depleted so I'm glad to be bidding the show farewell for the day, if regretting the fact there's loads on my hitlist I didn't get to see properly. Maybe a return visit tomorrow is in order but we'll see!

Ron Dennis and Gordon Murray both dropped by
Ron Dennis and Gordon Murray both dropped by
I seemed to spend a lot of the afternoon on the Ferrari stand, which was an achievement in itself given the scrum to get on. Basically it's a lesson in trial by humiliation with a crowd pushing around the one entrance to the stand, guarded by stony faced Ferrari stuff trained to ignore anyone pleading 'my friend, he is customer' in a Russian accent. Unfortunately you have to try and get past this scrum to even stand a chance of catching the eye of anyone but once you're accepted and on the stand it's a very different world of tanned gents with slicked back silver hair, the murmur of Italian and - at last - a glimpse of LaFerrari. New-school supercar it maybe but the atmosphere and clientele are very much old-school and the people watching is almost as fascinating, Gordon Murray seen leaving the stand just as I arrived.

No bones about it, the car's a stunner too. Especially from the head-on view, the surprisingly narrow and teardrop-shaped cockpit making it look surprisingly neat and small. There's a further story about our visit too but that's for another day. Suffice to say, it was worth fighting our way through the crowd. And I stand corrected - they could have sold twice the number they're building, or so I was told.

Going straight to McLaren from fortress Ferrari was an interesting culture shock too. And a lot calmer. The P1 is also stunning, but very, very different in feel. More on this in a standalone story shortly.

A dash back across the show to the lift home took me running by lots of interesting tuner and supercar stuff, meaning a return visit tomorrow probably is in order. But not until I've had a bit of kip!



Geneva Palexpo, Mercedes stand, 1230h
The experienced motor showgoer quickly learns where the best sources of trade fair essentials are tucked away. Namely decent coffee and a stable internet connection. Both, it seems, can be found at Mercedes, and thanks to their quaint system of internet via wires (it’ll never catch on) I’ve been able to get some pics uploaded to keep our stories up to date.

This included a trip to the Ferrari stand, arriving just as Luca di Montezemolo was getting going. Well, I’m assuming it was him, I was far too late to get anywhere near the actual stand; however,the disembodied voice over the speakers sounded like his characteristic Italian waiter impression and was convincing in its sense of gravitas and drama. Fair play, too: at the moment the covers came off those who could actually see the thing burst into applause and whistles of approval. Back at Mercedes, and online, I got a call from Stuart to say he’d managed to get a snap of Ron Dennis thoughtfully scrutinising the car. As well he might. I’ve not made it over to McLaren yet but I’ll be interested to see what the level of buzz is over that side of the show.

I did catch sight of this on my way back to Mercedes though – a mad-looking SLK hillclimb car built by Carlsson for Meisel Motorsport. With 610hp and weighing just 780kg it looks like a bit of a monster and has been built for E1 category hillclimb competition. Great looking thing!




Geneva Palexpo, 0900h
A brutally early start with an 0630h bus to the show at least meant I got a run round the halls before the crowds descended, snapping what wasn't under covers before the battle of the sharp elbows begins in earnest. Sadly The Ferrari was still under its (satin, natch) sheet but even in this form it looks pretty damned good. A couple of hours from now we'll see it out in the open...

In the meantime an opportunity to dip into a couple of press conferences, including BMW's ("He didn't say anything interesting," according to the UK PR man!) where we heard about the i3 Coupe Concept and plenty on the 3 GT. And you thought it looks challenging in the photos...

Then next door to Mercedes for some desperate courting of the youth vote with Usher joining Dr Zee on stage to present the A45 AMG, following some nice boys dancing in AMG race overalls. Nor us. "On one hand a true AMG, on the other there has never been an AMG like it," said Dr Zee, after some forced to and fro with Usher. "Some might say a four-cylinder AMG is like blasphemy but the proof is in the driving." We'll hold you to that, a chance meeting with AMG man Tobias Moers shortly after offering hope of that. More on this in due course.

And what are those monstrosities in the opening pic? You probably guessed but that's the annual shockfest that is the Mansory stand. The Ferrari F12-based beauty is the Mansory Stallone, a 'feast for the eyes' according to Mansory. ECU and exhaust mods liberate 775hp, up from the standard 740hp. Hopefully the former is loud enough to drown out what people will say when they see you driving it.



Geneva, 2230h
So, I've been to another VW group preview evening and lived to tell the tale. The basic formula for these events is cram about 1,000 journalists and execs into a venue suited to about half that number, pay due respect to Herr Dr Professor Piech and his lovely wife and then draw breath during 30-second laser shows that break up the conveyor belt of new metal paraded before us. All of them 'sportlich' too. All of them. Was that a new Audi? Looked like it. But no, it didn't have any chrome on it. Must have been Skoda. No, hang on, somebody said 'Hola!' ... SEAT then? It was and it was a three-door Leon SC. Like an old A3 with some creases, basically.

Guys like Lamborghini's Stephen Winkelmann have it easy too. Throw a bit of Italian around. Point at new supercar, bask in the glory and then exit stage left. Then the poor sod from VW commercial vehicles turns up and tries to excite the crowd about the new hybrid Transporter while Twitter crashes as people tell the world they've just seen the new Lambo.

Then the battle of the sharp elbows as the cars come out again and everyone tries for that exclusive photo. You end up patiently stalking your prey and then some lump in a suit stands in front of it. You huff and tap them tersely on the shoulder, they turn round and, oops, it's Ulrich Hackenberg or Wolfgang Hatz or someone similarly high-ranking. Respect meanwhile to Audi boss Rupert Stadler for using the word 'uberholprestige' in relation to the new RS6. Yes, the Germans have a word for aggressive fast lane bullies and in Audi speak it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Then our ride turned up and the Germans glared at the Korean interloper in their midst. Who let that Kia in here? Phaeton or not, it's heading to Lausanne and bed before our 6am alarm call to hit the show tomorrow. See you there!



Lausanne, 1700h
So this is it - the PH Geneva show nerve centre. Glamorous, eh? I'm here in Lausanne courtesy of Kia, keen to impress us with both its GTI-chasing Pro_cee'd and hot-hatch Provo thing. Never one to miss an opportunity for outrage and indignation the Daily Mail is very cross about the Kia's name, subtly putting a picture of it next to an old school IRA action scene with the headline 'The car called Provo: New Kia model set to take on the Mini under fire for its IRA-linked controversial name' in case you hadn't got the point already. Our hosts (hosts also to the author of the Mail's piece!) seem relatively chilled about it, subscribing to the no such thing as bad publicity school of PR and pointing out it's got their concept some prime time coverage.

The PH nerve centre, ready and raring
The PH nerve centre, ready and raring
It's not just the Daily Mail that's cross either. I was sitting beside the man from the Sunday Times as he attempted to deal with the fallout from the leaking yesterday in the paper of the Lamborghini Veneno. And it sounds like Lamborghini is VERY cross.

As I write I'm awaiting my ride to the VW group preview evening and word on the street is the Veneno won't be there. Lamborghini has press released information about an Aventador LP700-4 Rosso Mars (nor us) and an Aventador Roadster coming to the show, studiously ignoring the fact everyone already knows about its big news.


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Discussion

suffolk009

Original Poster:

5,401 posts

165 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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Rosso Mars is a colour. Red. Like the planet, but brighter.

vincegail

2,465 posts

155 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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So that is the reason the Veneno thread got locked for some while!

Stew2000

2,776 posts

178 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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suffolk009 said:
Rosso Mars is a colour. Red. Like the planet, but brighter.
Isn't that the accent colour for Lamborghini these days?

Juggins13

3 posts

149 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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The Lamborghini Veneno is real! Shmee just updated his fb page with a link



Edited by Juggins13 on Monday 4th March 20:52

petemurphy

10,122 posts

183 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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run on stage and whip off the cover whilst someone else photos the car - u get told off / maybe arrested but get the worldwide exclusive and can sell the photo for millions

go on..

rijmij99

423 posts

161 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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all i care about is the new fezza and the 4c

virgilio

423 posts

145 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Nobody took a pic of the spec description near the covered F150?
I did...
800+163bhp
700+270nm
217+ mph (disappointing - same as Enzo)
0-62mpg <3s
0-186mph 15s (good)

Seem the numbers battle vs McLaren was won by Ferrari....

TobyLaRohne

5,713 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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virgilio said:
Nobody took a pic of the spec description near the covered F150?
I did...
800+163bhp
700+270nm
217+ mph (disappointing - same as Enzo)
0-62mpg <3s
0-186mph 15s (good)

Seem the numbers battle vs McLaren was won by Ferrari....
Probably a press embargo stopping them reporting it... post it up fast!

ktm301p

746 posts

189 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Awesome write up so far, thoroughly enjoying it. I can't wait to hear about the Alfa 4C!

virgilio

423 posts

145 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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seems gassing station doesn't allow me to upload any images 9i even tried with a pic of my mother-in-law...)... you'll have to trust me for the next 60 mins!

Max power is at 9000rpm (cool) and torque at 6750rpm, displacement identical to the F12/FF (6,262cc). for the rest there are no more details on the spec sheet

storminnorman

2,357 posts

152 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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spec sheet photo on Harry Metcalfe's twitter
https://twitter.com/harrym_evo/status/308828811984...

Caractacus

2,604 posts

225 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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virgilio said:
Nobody took a pic of the spec description near the covered F150?
I did...
800+163bhp
700+270nm
217+ mph (disappointing - same as Enzo)
0-62mpg <3s
0-186mph 15s (good)

Seem the numbers battle on paper vs McLaren was won by Ferrari....
EFA. wink

Crusoe

4,068 posts

231 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Looks like it wins on power at least and it shows in performance at higher speed, see how much it weighs though. More torque in the P1 so not going to be much in it at lower speeds unless the F150 is at least 100kg lighter.

F150 P1
Power 800+163bhp (963bhp) 727+176bhp (903bhp)
Torque 700+270nm (970nm) 718.6+260.32nm (979nm)
Max Speed 217+ mph 217mph limit
0-62mpg <3sec <3sec
0-186mph 15sec <17sec
Engine 6,262cc V12 3.8lr V8 Twin turbo
Max Power 9000rpm 7500rpm
Max Torque 6750rpm 4000rpm
Dry Weight 1395kg
P To W 647bhp/Tonne

Grenoble

50,496 posts

155 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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http://www.laferrari.com/en/

New website.

LaFerrari.

richyd

285 posts

227 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Come on..!!! 4C...!!!

4C
4C
4C
??

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

265 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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I really hope that stupid F1esque pointy nose is a disguise. I could do with seeing a pretty hypercar for a change.

Alex

9,975 posts

284 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Daft name.

Grenoble

50,496 posts

155 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Captain Muppet said:
I really hope that stupid F1esque pointy nose is a disguise. I could do with seeing a pretty hypercar for a change.
Or you could click on the website I provided a few posts back and see it, including video...


Inertiatic

1,040 posts

190 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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The new Ferrari looks enormous from that photo with the covers on.

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Stupid name, surprisingly pretty.