RE: Mini Cooper S JCW: PH Fleet

RE: Mini Cooper S JCW: PH Fleet

Friday 18th September 2015

Mini JCW: PH Fleet

Attempting to unlock some of that Mini magic Danny tries pushing harder...



It's taken a while, but my relationship with the JCW has finally broken new ground. The turning point came on the way to a pre-work dawn mountain bike ride around the Surrey Hills. It was a beautiful morning. All of Surrey had seemingly decamped to their holiday homes in the Dordogne, and in their place were just empty roads, warm tarmac and the farts and whistles of an over-exuberant Mini with a bike clinging to its roof rack for dear life.

Still dumpy and yet...
Still dumpy and yet...
The road in question is a favourite of mine I know particularly well. It's a tempting, if less direct, special stage alternative to congested A-roads, where point and squirt straights merge into corner sequences that call for precision and agility. There's an awkward crest, at least five changes of surface, a corner with big bump in the middle of it and a couple of downhill off-camber turns where you are braking hard to the apex and the back end really wants to rotate.

So far the JCW has remained frustratingly aloof when shown a good road. Immensely strong on the straights and under braking, it hauls itself ruthlessly out of slow corners, with the e-diff and traction control working efficiently to meter out all that power and torque. Under braking it's much the same, only in reverse, with reassuring power coupled with excellent feel through the pedal. Only when you have to turn the wheel does the composure start to unravel. In this era of electric steering, we can forgive a certain level of remoteness, but I always feel completely detached in the JCW, not least because there's no gradual increase in weight as the tyres load up through a corner.

On this occasion, though, I found some extra commitment. I didn't back down at the lack of information coming from the chassis, and kept pushing. To my surprise, the JCW hung on gamely, nosing a little wide in places, but exhibiting levels of mechanical grip previously unseen. Given some sticky tarmac, it seems the Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres do actually work, but making this discovery was a bit of a shot in the dark, and I still wouldn't put the Mini's levels of adhesion on par with its rivals.

Mini to the track, Clio on track is interesting
Mini to the track, Clio on track is interesting
Nor, more importantly, do I think it is anywhere near as satisfying to drive along a B-road as a Fiesta ST, Peugeot 208 GTI or Clio Renaultsport. Indeed, having travelled up to Oulton Park in the JCW for a day driving the Clio 220 Trophy on track, that is something I am more convinced about than ever.

In terms of performance, you could say the Mini and the Renault are polar opposites. Swap between the two and you'd swear the French car's power deficit was two or three times what's quoted on paper. Equally, the Clio is crying out for a set of brakes as good as the JCW's Brembo four-pots. But, chuck it at a corner and the Trophy has it licked for communication, conviction and sheer tenacity. Ultimately, neither feels fully resolved, although combine the best characteristics of both cars and the result would be a very exciting proposition indeed.

Where the Mini does continue to impress is as a daily driver. With Green mode selected and the gearbox in auto it goes about its business around town comfortably and efficiently. The only time it occasionally fumbles for the right gear is when picking up the throttle again after slowing down or coasting. Even then it's no big deal, as you can take control yourself simply by pulling a paddle. Throttle response in eco mode is toned down considerably and the stop start system activated, which not only helps economy but relaxes your mindset too.

A better month then, but rivals still more fun
A better month then, but rivals still more fun
Even with its extra power and displacement, the Mini is proving pleasantly frugal compared to my previous Clio 200. On long motorway runs I'm seeing around 42mpg, and even two-up, fully loaded, with a bike on the roof on a trip to Wales, that only dropped to 35mpg. The Clio, on the other hand, was consistently around 10 per cent thirstier.

Keeping the right side of average speed cameras on these long motorway hauls is made easy by the perfectly placed LIM button. Positioned on the left of the steering wheel, it's within easy reach of a thumb, and pressing it immediately sets the current speed as a maximum. You can then adjust the speed with the up and down buttons, or cancel it by pressing the limiter button again.

Last week the heated seats went on for the first time; a depressing reminder winter is just around the corner. With it came thoughts of frosty mornings and damp, greasy roads. Knowing what the grip levels are like in the wet, I have a feeling the JCW is going to be a lively companion for the rest of the year. Maybe it's time to moot the idea of a fleet exchange for the next update. Something apparently unstickable with four-wheel drive and an 'R' badge on the back would be just the ticket. If only I knew someone with such a car...


FACT SHEET:
Car
: Mini John Cooper Works
Run by: Danny Milner
On fleet since: May 2015
Mileage: 7,013
List price new: £31,945 (Basic list of £24,445 plus £750 for Rebel Green paint, £1,400 for Media Pack XL, £2,470 for Chili Pack, £240 for variable damper control, £140 for run-flat tyres, £220 for sun protection glass, £215 for seat heating, £210 for Mini Yours fibre alloy interior, £590 for Park Distance Control, £150 for LED headlights, £590 for Harman Kardon hi-fi, £140 for intelligent emergency calling, £450 for head-up display)
Last month at a glance: If in doubt then flat out, right?

Previous updates:
£32K for an automatic Mini? It's off to a tough start...

To Scotland for a proper test
New tyres and roof bars before Silverstone

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redroadster

Original Poster:

1,739 posts

232 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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Spoilt looks and it costs how much !! Think I'd rather have focus rs

BioSkunk

27 posts

103 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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Hi Danny, interesting what you are saying about the Mini's brembos compared to the Clio's brakes. Interesting because in TopGear's latest group test the Clio Trophy stopped 6.2 meters earlier than the Mini JCW from 60 mph and 13.4 meter earlier from 100 mph. That is quite a gap. Isn't it? In your track test you have also mentioned that the weak brake performance of the Clio could be a "final death throes of a previously abused set of discs and pads". Since there was in every test a positive feedback of its brake performance and the measurements showed quite good results beside of your test I'm really wondering why.

BioSkunk

27 posts

103 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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Hi Danny, interesting what you are saying about the Mini's brembos compared to the Clio's brakes. Interesting because in TopGear's latest group test the Clio Trophy stopped 6.2 meters earlier than the Mini JCW from 60 mph and 13.4 meter earlier from 100 mph. That is quite a gap. Isn't it? In your track test you have also mentioned that the weak brake performance of the Clio could be a "final death throes of a previously abused set of discs and pads". Since there was in every test a positive feedback of its brake performance and the measurements showed quite good results beside of your test I'm really wondering why.

Blanchimont

4,076 posts

122 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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redroadster said:
Spoilt looks and it costs how much !! Think I'd rather have focus rs
+1 for the Focus. Or even a Golf R/Audi S3.

It's price puts it into the mega-hatch territory with hot hatch performance.
That should be 25k With all the options, and even that is pushing it a bit.

BioSkunk

27 posts

103 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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@ Danny: and of course I'm not bickering, just want to know where to invest a bit more after I got my Clio Trophy delivered later this Year. The difference in straight line performance is clear, but I'm more interested in handling and track performance where brakes are playing an important role as well. Maybe it will be worth to buy some heavy duty brake pads... Your comments are just a bit confusing for me after so many positive feedback on its brakes and yours wasn't the first track test ever with that car. Anyways, thanks a lot for your feedback in advance!

Danny Milner

128 posts

203 months

Friday 18th September 2015
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@bioskunk that's interesting about the Top Gear test - I've not seen it. I guess a couple things could be influencing this.

Firstly the tyres will make a massive difference to any brake test. The tyres are poles apart on these two cars and, in a single stop test, won't really be impacted by heat build-up.

Secondly i have no idea whether our Trophy's brakes had been previously abused on track and this was why they felt underpar during the test at Oulton Park. Obviously we have no way of trying other pads or discs to see if this improves the on track performance. Certainly ferodo ds2500s did great things for the old Clio 182, but that was a much lighter car.

I do think, though, that on the road, it's never going to be an issue in the Clio, as you just don't consistently put that much heat through them.

BioSkunk

27 posts

103 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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Hi Danny,

thank you for your feedback! I have my doubts regarding your comment on the tires, because not even semi slicks are causing that big brake distance differences compared to normal tires, but anyways, I think I will go for the DS2500's as of the beginning. Just to make sure... smile

Have good day!

Danny Milner

128 posts

203 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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@bioskunk 6m difference does seem a lot, but this is only the first tyre test i found and there's a 7m difference in stopping distances (dry) between the best and worst. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild...

BioSkunk

27 posts

103 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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@ Danny: yes, but the one in that article you have mentioned is a really cheap and bad tire. It is actually very kind of us if we call it as tire...

The Mini JCW wears Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres. It was 4th in that brake-test you just linked in on dry conditions and was tested as best on wet surface. You cannot say they are that bad smile The Clio RS 200 EDC with Cup package wears the same Dunlop tire as far as I know. The Clio 220 Trophy has the Michelin SuperSport's. And they have both the same brakes. There is some brake distance advantage for the Trophy on the PSS rubbers, but it is more around 1 meter from 60 mph.

But thanks anyways! Have a good evening!