RE: Jaguar I-Pace heralds electric future

RE: Jaguar I-Pace heralds electric future

Wednesday 16th November 2016

Jaguar I-Pace heralds electric future (updated)

This I-Pace concept previews the electric Jaguar crossover you'll be able to buy in just two years (new pics added!)



Every manufacturer will have been considering the tipping point at which committing to a full-electric model range becomes essential to commercial survival. Jaguar has decided that it's now, the Los Angeles Auto Show I-Pace centrepiece officially a concept but described to us in an exclusive preview as more of a "production preview".

It's a Jag, but not quite as we know  it
It's a Jag, but not quite as we know it
Given the car will be seen in production ready form next year and on sale in 2018 it's clear for Jaguar the tipping point was, in fact, some time ago and it's been hard at work on both the mechanical underpinnings and how the car will look. It's only telling us about it now.

Where to start then? Let's go with the styling. For all the worries about Jaguar entering the SUV realm when its heritage has been about saloons and sports cars - and its partner brand already dominates the field - the F-Pace has been a huge sales success. Little surprise the I-Pace follows broadly the same format then, seemingly crossover in its raised stance and F-Pace style proportions but actually rather more radical than you'd guess from first glance.

It's (give or take) 90mm lower than an F-Pace for starters, 50mm shorter overall and 40mm narrower. But its wheelbase is 30mm longer than an XF, the all new and dedicated electric platform offering huge scope for improved interior space and packaging. Design boss Ian Callum describes it as a challenge but an inspiring one, the I-Pace adopting a noticeable cab-forward profile somewhat at odds with Jaguar tradition. The face is familiar though, likewise the F-Type inspired rear lights. These use a new 'chicane' design that will roll out across the Jaguar range in due course. In Jaguar fashion it's a very 'clean' design, sculptural shapes and the signature raised haunches combined with functional aero features like the bluff tail and vertical side blades that contribute to an impressive 0.29 drag coefficient. Another significant figure is a centre of gravity 120mm lower than an F-Pace; that with the longer wheelbase and centred weight distribution should help the handling too.

Wheelbase is 30mm longer than an XF
Wheelbase is 30mm longer than an XF
Easy enough to build a stylish looking show concept of course. Rather more involved taking the first corporate steps away from internal combustion power and into the electric era. But the 'skateboard' platform underpinning the I-Pace is an entirely rational - and scaleable - system that could be used in a number of different ways. At its heart is an underfloor 90kWh battery pack contained within a structural floorpan off which front and rear electric/motors and suspension subframes are hung. Cooling systems are incorporated into the frame to maintain peak operating temperatures for the batteries; likewise a heating system keeps the batteries efficient even in cold weather.

Performance claims are impressive and, given how close it is to production reality, have to be taken seriously. The two motors generate a combined 400hp and 516lb ft of torque, which is good enough for a four-second 0-60 sprint. Range is, of course, as much a talking point and here Jaguar is claiming over 300 miles by the NEDC Combined test with a 90-minute charging time to 80 per cent battery power via a 50kw DC charger. The system is ready to accept more powerful chargers with corresponding reductions in this, as and when the infrastructure is in place. If not as 'ludicrously' fast as a Model X the Jaguar's range is, at least, on a par with the Tesla SUV's 257-mile EPA figure.

And the production car  is coming in 2018...
And the production car is coming in 2018...
The motors themselves are 'rare earth' permanent magnet types with a concentric gearbox meaning the driveshaft passes directly through motor and single-speed transmission. This helps packaging and saves a bit of weight, the design of the motors themselves saving a more significant amount and coming in at round 35kg each, or about half that of an equivalent induction motor. This and a marginal improvement in efficiency seemingly make the increased production cost worth bearing, the motors built to Jaguar's own design, as is the 'pouch cell' lithium-ion battery pack.

Speaking of cost it's too early to talk about pricing at this stage, though we were told to pitch an I-Pace at around 10-15 per cent over and above the cost of an equivalent F-Pace. So not cheap. But, as Tesla gears up to address the mainstream with its Model 3, probably sensible positioning for a premium product of this type.







 

 

 

 

 

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MyCC

Original Poster:

337 posts

158 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Will be interesting to see just how Jaguar and all the other manufacturers differentiate themselves from Tesla with their EVs. One would think they will all drive pretty much the same, so any differences will come down to styling and interior quality and tech. On that note, there does not seem to be a big aspirational difference just yet. What will make a Jaguar a Jaguar in the future is the key question.

Regards,

MyCC.

Snubs

1,177 posts

140 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Why didn't they take the pictures before it had a massive front-end shunt?

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Good to see someone in the mainstream gearing up to compete head-to-head with Tesla in the UK. Hopefully they'll ultimately end up doing an XE sized saloon to compete with the model-3. smile

stuckmojo

2,982 posts

189 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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I like it. Great move from Jaguar.

It will be a luxury vehicle, but hopefully will allow more mainstream electric models to come online. Nice.

ashleyman

6,987 posts

100 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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I quite like it but wish it had proper door handles like the proper F-Pace and no silly blue highlights.

It's only a matter of time before these things hit mainstream so an EV that has decent performance alongside a decent range is a good.

gweaver

906 posts

159 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Looks nice, but also another stupid high waistline design from the Callum mould. Does no one in the industry care about seeing out of cars any more?
Makes me want for a Triumph 2000.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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gweaver said:
Looks nice, but also another stupid high waistline design from the Callum mould. Does no one in the industry care about seeing out of cars any more?
Makes me want for a Triumph 2000.
Welcome to the 21st century crash safety obsession. Being able to actually see where you're going so you can avoid the crash in the first place seems to have gone out of fashion.

Amateurish

7,754 posts

223 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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"though we were told to pitch an I-Pace at around 10-15 per cent over and above the cost of an equivalent F-Pace"

Probably £60k then?

smilo996

2,795 posts

171 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Bye bye Elon.

Though he will of course take all the credit for bringing electric cars to the world. Nothing new there. But I remember milk being delivered by electricity in the 70's.....

Stuffing a ton of batteries in an otherwise completely conventional design is not the future and in comparison Tesla's SUV looks like a comedy car.

I wonder why Jaguar did not use Tesla's free tech for the car. Perhaps because what Jag have built appears to be much better and more efficient. No doubt Formula E will help significantly.

Well done Jag it also looks very modern but not electric stupid either.







Edited by smilo996 on Tuesday 15th November 09:51

gweaver

906 posts

159 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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kambites said:
Welcome to the 21st century crash safety obsession. Being able to actually see where you're going so you can avoid the crash in the first place seems to have gone out of fashion.
Indeed. I thought EuroNCAP were going to assess this sort of stuff, but they seem to be awarding stars to electronic nannying systems instead. Surely it's not beyond our engineers to develop more cars with crashworthiness and good visibility?

Probably journalists should accept some of the blame for conflating a sporty driving position with waistlines so high that average school run mum can't see out of her SUV.

Hitch

6,107 posts

195 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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MyCC said:
One would think they will all drive pretty much the same, so any differences will come down to styling and interior quality and tech.
Why would you assume that because of a new breed of powertrain? 100 years of ICE yet cars from different manufacturers drive discernibly differently.

king arthur

6,571 posts

262 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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gweaver said:
Looks nice, but also another stupid high waistline design from the Callum mould. Does no one in the industry care about seeing out of cars any more?
Makes me want for a Triumph 2000.
I suppose the thinking is that eventually you won't need to see out of them because you won't be doing the driving.

Fetchez la vache

5,574 posts

215 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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article said:
at around 10-15 per cent over and above the cost of an equivalent F-Pace. So not cheap
I'd have thought for a "premium" car like this, the new technology, the R&D that's not too bad at all (not that I can afford it)

Can't find a price for an i3 but an i8 at £105k, model-x from £68k, it sounds about right.

With the funds I'd be all over it.

stuckmojo

2,982 posts

189 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Hitch said:
Why would you assume that because of a new breed of powertrain? 100 years of ICE yet cars from different manufacturers drive discernibly differently.
This. I would think that shaping driving characteristics to a digital/electric drivetrain should be easier than applying that to a controlled explosion of class-3 dangerous liquids.



DonkeyApple

55,400 posts

170 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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MyCC said:
Will be interesting to see just how Jaguar and all the other manufacturers differentiate themselves from Tesla with their EVs. One would think they will all drive pretty much the same, so any differences will come down to styling and interior quality and tech. On that note, there does not seem to be a big aspirational difference just yet. What will make a Jaguar a Jaguar in the future is the key question.

Regards,

MyCC.
People who like cheap, plastic interiors and massive computer screens that make changing settings on the move a lethal activity all packaged in a remarkably ugly vehicle will almost certainly stick to the Tesla brand. wink

A car with all the upsides of the Tesla range but just finished off better is likely to sell better.


Fetchez la vache

5,574 posts

215 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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king arthur said:
gweaver said:
Looks nice, but also another stupid high waistline design from the Callum mould. Does no one in the industry care about seeing out of cars any more?
Makes me want for a Triumph 2000.
I suppose the thinking is that eventually you won't need to see out of them because you won't be doing the driving.
So lorry "drivers" can watch porn in 360 degree wrap around vision while delivering our cornflakes, and without ploughing into anything. Result.

Hitch

6,107 posts

195 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Jaguar iPace 2016



Mazda 323 1996


W124

1,542 posts

139 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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How well can it drive itself? I this market, that's the only question. Jaguar have trouble with making electric windows work properly. Volvo/Geely are the brand to watch. JLR (and most of the others) are miles behind them.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Hitch said:
Jaguar iPace 2016



Mazda 323 1996

Not even close. confused

I appreciate the comedy intent, but still, nope.

GM182

1,271 posts

226 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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If they can bring it to market at that target price range then may be my car in 5 years.
Will hang on to the NA V8 M3 for the weekends...