How many hard shoulder abusers are caught?

[donkmeister]

I'm currently sat in the back of the LS460 (with Mini-D and the armrest of winning, while Mrs D chauffeurs us), and we're in this Saturday's M25 traffic. Joy.

We've had a couple of hard shoulder wkers go by. I'm sure they feel justified as they have somewhere to be, but don't we all, hence the traffic. I'm 90% certain that Mini-D is doing her poop face, so I'd love to escape the impending fug about to assault my nose but we chose to use the M25 on a bank holiday weekend, thems the breaks.

So my question is this: do people abusing the hard shoulder on Britain's busiest and most camera-covered motorway frequently get caught by the cameras, or does it require a police officer to catch them in the act?

[Sebring440]

donkmeister said:

So my question is this: do people abusing the hard shoulder on Britain's busiest and most camera-covered motorway frequently get caught by the cameras, or does it require a police officer to catch them in the act?

"Hard shoulder abuse."

Is this the sort of thing you are referring to?:

[QBee]

I was reading this, fully expecting the question to be whether it was legal for MrsD to pull over onto the hard shoulder for Mini-D to do an assisted MiniDonk the other side of the Armco.

One really would have thought that Lexus would have provided a built in flushing Child-Throne for such occasions.

[C69]

You'd think that it'd be an easy prosecution on the camera-covered M25. But perhaps such levels of brazenness also require the car to be not properly registered (or on false plates), as well as an expectation that there won't be any police vehicles around?

[Countdown]

donkmeister said:

I'm currently sat in the back of the LS460 (with Mini-D and the armrest of winning, while Mrs D chauffeurs us), and we're in this Saturday's M25 traffic. Joy.

We've had a couple of hard shoulder wkers go by. I'm sure they feel justified as they have somewhere to be, but don't we all, hence the traffic. I'm 90% certain that Mini-D is doing her poop face, so I'd love to escape the impending fug about to assault my nose but we chose to use the M25 on a bank holiday weekend, thems the breaks.

So my question is this: do people abusing the hard shoulder on Britain's busiest and most camera-covered motorway frequently get caught by the cameras, or does it require a police officer to catch them in the act?

i think it's rare.

The problem is that the number of self-entitled wkers who think the laws don't apply to them seems to be increasing, and the number of Police allocated to catching them seems to be decreasing (which then encourages the self entitled wkers to continue ignoring the laws.)

[speedking31]

It would be easy enough to set the speed cameras that cover the hard shoulder to have a 0 mph limit imposed on that lane. Flash, flash, flash. Fire NIPs at all the transgressors. Then, like a speeding accusation, you're guilty until you prove your innocence.

[BertBert]

speedking31 said:

It would be easy enough to set the speed cameras that cover the hard shoulder to have a 0 mph limit imposed on that lane. Flash, flash, flash. Fire NIPs at all the transgressors. Then, like a speeding accusation, you're guilty until you prove your innocence.

Apart from the fact that I suspect the cameras cover the live lanes not the hard shoulder

[donkmeister]

QBee said:

One really would have thought that Lexus would have provided a built in flushing Child-Throne for such occasions.

As it transpired, she'd laid a log that I reckon would have been the polar opposite of an Italian tune-up for anything that flushed. I've never been so proud.

Ah well, so much for schadenfreude at the cheeky gits paying a hefty ransom for their gittery.

[Piginapoke]

donkmeister said:

QBee said:

One really would have thought that Lexus would have provided a built in flushing Child-Throne for such occasions.

As it transpired, she'd laid a log that I reckon would have been the polar opposite of an Italian tune-up for anything that flushed. I've never been so proud.

Ah well, so much for schadenfreude at the cheeky gits paying a hefty ransom for their gittery.

Snipers is the answer. Snipers everywhere.

[tvrfan007]

I also had to queue in two places on the M25 early Saturday, including by Heathrow, can't say I saw any which is surprising in itself as its normally prevalent here.

I got stuck in December about 5 metres from the T5 roundabout for 80 minutes but could patiently wait it out as the arriving family had epic baggage delays. The hard shoulder was abused by everyone trying to dive for the perimeter road, which subsequently also jammed and yet I wonder how many of them got a ticket when feebly attempting to extricate themselves from the path of the emergency services when they arrived.

Unfortunately we have descended into a society of self entitled wkers who would rather ignore rules or manners and inconvenience everyone else than themselves, as perfectly demonstrated where I live that nobody ever observes traffic priorities at several traffic restrictions so 'priority' is open.

Edited by tvrfan007 on Monday 29th May 07:14

[grumpyscot]

One I was was a boy racer in an Audi S3 (had to be!!) on the M8. Unfortunately, he was going too fast to notice a bit of iron beam lying across the lane. Didn't half make a mess of his car!. You could almost hear the cheers from all the other vehicles!

[vikingaero]

I drove on the M25 for about 2.5 hours on Friday with the big getaway. Saw 3 or 4 cars pulled over for a pee. You could tell be the obvious placement of open doors and someone standing between them.

In France it's very common. Van pulls over onto verge, driver gets out and pisses against the rear wheel.

[Hol]

Countdown said:

donkmeister said:

I'm currently sat in the back of the LS460 (with Mini-D and the armrest of winning, while Mrs D chauffeurs us), and we're in this Saturday's M25 traffic. Joy.

We've had a couple of hard shoulder wkers go by. I'm sure they feel justified as they have somewhere to be, but don't we all, hence the traffic. I'm 90% certain that Mini-D is doing her poop face, so I'd love to escape the impending fug about to assault my nose but we chose to use the M25 on a bank holiday weekend, thems the breaks.

So my question is this: do people abusing the hard shoulder on Britain's busiest and most camera-covered motorway frequently get caught by the cameras, or does it require a police officer to catch them in the act?

i think it's rare.

The problem is that the number of self-entitled wkers who think the laws don't apply to them seems to be increasing, and the number of Police allocated to catching them seems to be decreasing (which then encourages the self entitled wkers to continue ignoring the laws.)

I am not sure the word wkers is strong enough to describe the sort of underachieving -bean who believes that is acceptable, but I agree with the sentiment.

[boxedin]

Sebring440 said:

"Hard shoulder abuse."

Is this the sort of thing you are referring to?:

I remember filtering through a long traffic jam on an Autostrada ( or somewhere else in Europe it was some years ago ) in the summer. Yup, lots of people were sat out with food and drinks on the table, making the best of going nowhere.

[Granadier]

vikingaero said:

In France it's very common. Van pulls over onto verge, driver gets out and pisses against the rear wheel.

Isn't there some British law that you're allowed to do that on the rear wheel of a London taxi, or is that an urban myth? Though possibly not on a motorway hard shoulder...

[sleepezy]

Granadier said:

Isn't there some British law that you're allowed to do that on the rear wheel of a London taxi, or is that an urban myth? Though possibly not on a motorway hard shoulder...

I was told this one by a London taxi driver (ie for clarity, a taxi driver can have a pee, not you, or me for that matter) so presumably utter horlicks

[donkmeister]

sleepezy said:

Granadier said:

Isn't there some British law that you're allowed to do that on the rear wheel of a London taxi, or is that an urban myth? Though possibly not on a motorway hard shoulder...

I was told this one by a London taxi driver (ie for clarity, a taxi driver can have a pee, not you, or me for that matter) so presumably utter horlicks

Isn't it usually the case that a lot of these old laws are superseded by other legislation, e.g. the one about being allowed to shoot Welshman but only with a bow and arrow from a castle, is superseded by the laws that make it illegal to shoot anyone with a bow and arrow ever. You may well find that a taxi driver, whilst allowed to wee on his own tyre, isn't allowed to get his tackle out in public. Standing next to a taxi wheel whilst wetting yourself, whilst upholding a fine tradition, is probably not an inviting prospect.

I heard that they have to carry a bale of straw for their horse, even in a modern horseless taxi. Doubt they do

[Countdown]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-ne...

[QBee]

My horse wees on straw and eats hay.
So presumably the old law was more bothered about mopping up the wee than feeding the horse?
Frankly, there are better things than straw for mopping up wee.
Just saying.....

[av185]

Alex Ferguson was nabbed driving on the hard shoulder but managed to get off by claiming he urgently needed the toilet.

Worth bearing in mind as an alibi if you are pulled.