Caravan on Garden question
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wpa1975

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13,528 posts

136 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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I am honestly asking for a friend, his neighbours are council tenants, could someone please tell me is it legal to have a caravan in the back garden and have people live it in full time?

normalbloke

8,452 posts

241 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Does your friend live next to Eltax91?

Griffith4ever

6,292 posts

57 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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If they solely use the caravan for living (Inc toilet, showering etc) then it's a p!anning infringement, but if they wander inside the house to use the loo then it's not. This is my understanding from basic web research. We have people living in a caravan on their front lawn and the council are just not interested.

ZeroVision

39 posts

33 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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You would need to check with the council and their tenancy, my experience of social housing generally is they don't like enforcing these types of issues unless it becomes a big deal or you get lots of complaints.

If its stored just for use on holidays it should be fine legally (based on the property owner being ok)

If its used as a dwelling then it becomes a planning issue as someone has said

wpa1975

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13,528 posts

136 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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The husband of the house is living in it full time, they are struggling for space in the house by all accounts.

Council are not interested as he has spoken to them.

His main worry is that with it being so close to his boundary and shed, if the worst happens and it went up it would take his shed with it.

Hammersia

1,564 posts

37 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Always find it a bit weird when people say their concern is the thing (could be anything, old banger, clothes airer, teepee) catching fire and damaging their shed.

How many caravan fires have you ever heard of?

Biker9090

1,749 posts

59 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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I know from experience that quite a few places have planning laws (can't remember the exact phrase) or something on the deeds prohibiting a caravan being on the property. My parents wanted one years ago but wouldn't have been able to store it there so gave up on it.

Griffith4ever

6,292 posts

57 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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They are a bloody eye sore when in close proximity to neighbours' front windows/drive ways. Not least because the close-in your view outside. WIth our case the owner has two in his front garden, in the entrance to our driveway, with several cars with grass growing up around them. Can't do owt about it but chuckle at the audacity/lack of sts given.

ZeroVision

39 posts

33 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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wpa1975 said:
The husband of the house is living in it full time, they are struggling for space in the house by all accounts.

Council are not interested as he has spoken to them.

His main worry is that with it being so close to his boundary and shed, if the worst happens and it went up it would take his shed with it.
If someone launches a formal written complaint the council they are duty bound to investigate any caravan or additional structure being used a dwelling without appropriate planning permission. They are legally obliged to take action!


Griffith4ever

6,292 posts

57 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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ZeroVision said:
If someone launches a formal written complaint the council they are duty bound to investigate any caravan or additional structure being used a dwelling without appropriate planning permission. They are legally obliged to take action!
Problem is, to take action , it needs to be proven they are not using the house they are parked at, at all. Very hard to do.

Bennet

2,133 posts

153 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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This kind of stress is difficult to live with long term. Tell him to pre-empt the inevitable and just go ahead and set fire to his shed now.

KTMsm

28,982 posts

285 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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ZeroVision said:
If someone launches a formal written complaint the council they are duty bound to investigate any caravan or additional structure being used a dwelling without appropriate planning permission. They are legally obliged to take action!
Except if the husband is living in it rather than it being rented out, then he is doing nothing wrong because presumably he is using a house for meals toilet etc

I admit it's far from ideal, if you live next door

I've seen plenty of people renting out caravans and motorhomes on their drives on airbnb which would be illegal



Chrisgr31

14,207 posts

277 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Hammersia said:
Always find it a bit weird when people say their concern is the thing (could be anything, old banger, clothes airer, teepee) catching fire and damaging their shed.

How many caravan fires have you ever heard of?
My neighbours pond set fire to my shed! Or to be more accurate the electrics to the pond set fire to the fence which in turn set fire to my shed and his.

As regards the original question https://www.claims.co.uk/knowledge-base/land-law/p... it appears you do not need planning permission to live in a caravan in your garden - cant rent it out though.

Had a feeling this was the case as there was an issue locally about this.


Derek Smith

48,664 posts

270 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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Biker9090 said:
I know from experience that quite a few places have planning laws (can't remember the exact phrase) or something on the deeds prohibiting a caravan being on the property. My parents wanted one years ago but wouldn't have been able to store it there so gave up on it.
When we bought our previous house, we unfortunately employed a rather keen young lawyer. The house was built on an area of land that used to be part of an estate. There was a caveat on the deeds which prohibited caravans being on the land. I forget the actual wording but, according to the lawyer, it was discriminatory, the original intention being to stop Gypsies. Lots of fuss over it. Eventually I was told that I could safely ignore the caveat.

When I stored my caravan on my land, I was told by a neighbour to get rid of it. I received a letter from a lawyer to the same effect and asked my lawyer to write a letter to them. I heard no more, well, apart from the bill from my lawyer.

reggie747

263 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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Bennet said:
This kind of stress is difficult to live with long term. Tell him to pre-empt the inevitable and just go ahead and set fire to his shed now.
Just spat out my coffee there....hahahaha

hidetheelephants

33,429 posts

215 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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Bennet said:
This kind of stress is difficult to live with long term. Tell him to pre-empt the inevitable and just go ahead and set fire to his shed now.
Can't do that; it might set fire to the mobile chicane. hehe

ZeroVision

39 posts

33 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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KTMsm said:
Except if the husband is living in it rather than it being rented out, then he is doing nothing wrong because presumably he is using a house for meals toilet etc

I admit it's far from ideal, if you live next door

I've seen plenty of people renting out caravans and motorhomes on their drives on airbnb which would be illegal
Depends on whether it meets the touring caravan classification in which case it could be classed as extension of the home. If its larger than that it does need planning.

Depends on whether council allow tenants to extend their homes with touring sized caravans, it will differ from council to council.

s55shh

520 posts

234 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Theres one in Birmingham with someone living in it on the road outside the house, complete with mains electric hookup!

Dolf Stoppard

1,382 posts

144 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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ZeroVision said:
wpa1975 said:
The husband of the house is living in it full time, they are struggling for space in the house by all accounts.

Council are not interested as he has spoken to them.

His main worry is that with it being so close to his boundary and shed, if the worst happens and it went up it would take his shed with it.
If someone launches a formal written complaint the council they are duty bound to investigate any caravan or additional structure being used a dwelling without appropriate planning permission. They are legally obliged to take action!
Investigating is not the same as taking action.

wpa1975

Original Poster:

13,528 posts

136 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Update, due to this and the excessive noise etc, the council are sending someone for a visit and to discuss what could be done.